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Dissociatives Big & Dandy Ketamine Thread 4: I was filled with the Holey Spirit

Ketamine i feel is one of those drugs that gets better with addiction. Like alcohol or marijuana. No offence to anyone out here, who loves the stuff. But as a person who spends the better part of his life mostly sober, except for mad tokes of cbd wax for pain after a car accident. I just cannot find the joy or the mystery that so many have found within the realm of ketamine. I think it's because i have listened to the machine elves a bit too much about it being a piece of zombie material which truthfully and honestly it is.
It is by far one of the most amnesiac-tic derpy, psychosis mimicking fanciful flights of weirdness i've ever experienced and i'll never touch it again. I know people who swear by the stuff. But its definitely not for me, there is something that seems, fake about it.


I have had a couple awesome experiences, where one i was lying in a translucent omni effervescent field. I was actually lying in a field at that time. All eyes closed.
On 120mg of mdma, and about 155 mg of ketamine, an assured hole for a person who rarely uses it.
Under a tree, The tree i believe decided to share something with me, as i watched the entire life span of that tree grow up until it was the size that it was today.
But then the tree showed me how it's branches were an extended outcropping of a series of neurons which was in relation to my synaptic path ways.
The tree and i shared all of our emotions that day. It was a fine day.

I also woke up with my bicycle having been stolen. Which was a righteous crime. But whatever. Ketamine is not my bowl of clam chowder.
 
xammy said:
What are the main differences between ketamine and mxe and K-hole and M-hole?

btw ketamine is possibly going to get approved as antidepressant (esketamine)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthew...-the-party-drug-ketamine-to-treat-depression/
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I find Ketamine to be more soft, gentle and warm but also more anaesthetizing. MXE is more speedy and stimulating, especially in high doses. Ketamine is very sedating in high doses, and does impare my motoric skills quite a bit. I really don't feel like moving around much on K.

K also has a rapit onset (I snort it), just a few minutes, while MXE takes 30-45 insufflated. Also K has a much shorter duration, I'm back to baseline a few hours after the last dose. MXE keeps me awake for many many hours. Sleep is impossible for a quite long period after taking MXE. I also got issues with my blood pressure when I used a lot of MXE. The difference isn't huge but I still prefer K nowadays.
 
Folley said:
I find ketamine to be much more "cold" and anesthesiologic than MXE, which seems much more recreational and "psychedelic" for myself. MXE tends to be more visual and intimate while ketamine REALLY distorts perceptions and takes you away from yourself.
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Interesting, I find MXE to be more cold, but then again dissociatives effect us all differently (probably more so than many other drugs). The thing I do like more about MXE is that music sounds awesome on it, while on K music sometimes becomes s-l-o-o-w and sounds plain retarded and warped. I don't really mind the anaesthesia on K, as I don't like moving around on either of them. At least not out of my flat.

Strangely I don't find either of them to be visual almost at all, not before entering the M/K-hole, which can be visual, but nowhere near as visual as "classical" (5-HT2A) psychedelics.
 
I also prefer ketamine these days, more fun, less fucked up and weird. the afterglow doesnt seem as good though

Agreed, music on MXE sounds so good. fully connected and emersed in the music
 
Me too. I prefer Ket anyday. Especially if it's the S-Isomer type and not the Indian racemic type.
Ketamine can be very visual when you do it on combo with MDMA... such a blissful combo. MXE + MDMA made me feel like my heart was gonna explode.
 
I haven't properly holed since like 6 months ago, but my tolerance seems to have gone up. 60mg in my nostril really doesnt do what it used to. Is this because its the indian racemic type? My first and craziest hole was on 250mg in my nose, and idk if i'll ever have nearly as crazy or awesome of an experience on this stuff no matter what the dosage.
 
SONN said:
I haven't properly holed since like 6 months ago, but my tolerance seems to have gone up. 60mg in my nostril really doesnt do what it used to. Is this because its the indian racemic type? My first and craziest hole was on 250mg in my nose, and idk if i'll ever have nearly as crazy or awesome of an experience on this stuff no matter what the dosage.
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I have the Indian racemic too and it doesn't get me to the same place as the S-isomer I had back in summer. I do get a decent buzz from it but definitely no K-holing. A dose that should be enough for K-Holing only gets me extremely sedated and anaesthetized, completely unable to move or talk, but still no K-Hole...

I don't know why but the S-isomer wasn't as sedating, it didn't impair my motor skills as much and definitely didn't make my speech as extremely slurry as the batch I have now.
 
I might get my hands on some K soon. It`s not a very common drug around here, so it would be my first time (i think).
I say "i think" because once I snorted some white stuff in a festival (Universo Paralello 2006), and it basically made me not able to understand what was going on around me. The motions of the outer world were so weird! Like the frame rate was a bit slower in a way I couldn`t really figure what was going on around me. I only got fast flashes of reality, so it was hard to see the whole picture: reality as something continuous and meaningful as such. Really hard to describe, specially 8 years after. Walking and dancing was funny too, like I couldn't really fell my weight, which made me uncoordinated.

Back to the subject... So now I may have some K soon, and this time I will know what it is for sure. IF it comes to me, it will probably come in vials (vet store).
I normally read the whole thread when I am about to try something, but now I might not have too much time, so could someone give me some basics on it?
- ROA: between oral or insufflation. Which one would be the best for a first try? Maybe combine both?
- Dosage
- Would it be fun to use in small groups (6/7 people)? I mean, would we be able to communicate?
- Are there any very important warnings about this one? do not mix with alcohol? with SSRIs?
- To aim for a hole in the first time is aiming too high?

Appreciate it!
 
^ That is A FUCKING LOT. I wasn't even getting around that level in a single line when I had quite the tolerance, if you need that much you've either been doing ketamine for years and developed a massive tolerance or are getting "ketamine" that is of absolutely shit quality.


A single 30mg bump should have you very high the first time, although it only last a short time so you'll probably end up doing more than one. One 100mg line would have you WRECKED, though. I would not attempt to "K hole" until you have some experience. Low dose experiences are very euphoric, pushing the dose will only lead to confusion and lack of coordination. Start small, work your way up.... as with everything.
 
Used to do MXE once a week, not done ket often. but ive had some "fairly decent stuff" or so ive been told by people into ket and know about it, that have tried the stuff i got, every time i've done it its required between 150-200mg to hole. mild wonks are nice as well

Most of the ket around the UK is shite, apparently. or none existant
 
and you truly think someone should try to "hole" on their first time? Considering it is pretty much the highest level of intoxication as you can get with a dissociative, I would not recommend it.


Low doses are extremely fun, especially in the company of others. High does leave you staring at a wall for a hour or two, not exactly the best way of dosing IMO
 
Didnt realize its possible to hole on 100mg tbh. okay ill change what i said to 50mg if your gonna get all fucking fancy about it

Hence why i said it. i wouldnt suggest a hole dose for a first try
 
most people need much more than 100mg even without tolerance to reach a hole, but that still does not mean you should not start low and reaching a hole with staggered dosing is quite possible so one could even start with 10mg and add every 10-20mins an ever so slightly larger dose
 
Fancy seeing you around these parts Dan! I thought you had been getting the good K lately? You were making me all jealous! Funny though, the UK seemed awash in dirt cheap stellar K a few years ago, now it's gone to crap and the price high! The US isn't like it was ten years ago but supply and quality remain consistent in the right circles.....circles I tend to avoid nowadays however. I used to go on ketacations to Mexico and India for years, but from what I've heard they aren't the OTC meccas they once were.....on to the next third world country for the ketamine krusades!
 
I'm working down Brighton way for work and was wondering if anyone's had any of the stuff that's going around down there as I've heard it's quite popular? There's a major dryout where I'm from so I'm hoping to find some quite easily as I am hankering haha.
 
I've never done K, and I'll probably never get the chance but I've always wanted to try it.

I'm just curious whether or not it would be safe to take with Prozac and Klonopin, particularly Prozac, because I keep getting different answers.

I thought I'd heard someone on here say that Ketamine probably wouldn't seriously interact with either, but another poster said while small doses of K might not, that larger ones might cause serotonin syndrome.

Just wondering if it's safe to go back to hoping that someday I can try it, or if I should entirely throw that fantasy out the window.

Thanks
 
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