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Big and Dandy Salvia Scraps

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It's going to depend on who's definition you use. I'd say that yes, it is a psychedelic, but that it's in a different subclass of psychedelics than certain other psychedelics.
 
Yeah, come on now, everyone has their own definitions. People use different language. Its like, who the fuck cares?

I consider it a psychedelic, as i consider weed, lsd, shrooms, a shitload of tryptamines, PEA's, 'the usual'. If it "opens my mind" in the way.. i myself understand what that means to me, then, its psychedelic. Salvia is sure a psychedelic. DXM has been, ketamine, etc. Hell, nitrous is for sure. One time I hate a ton of kava kava, trying to get a strong effect, then i smoked a lot of pot, and i was tripping, and it wasn't just the weed, that kava kava didnt JUST sedate me...

Like whoever said, he trips on alcohol, well, maybe he does? Who cares. Its a psychedelic for him, or, maybe it was psychdedelic one time, or whatever. You can have a 'psychedelic experience' sober. Whatever your own personal definition is i guess..

Smoking some salvia while on another psychedelic, now thats incredible. Usually, only a tiny little bit of extract (usually 12x or 20x 'standardized'), one little puff off the pipe, and your glued to the bed, chair, whatever your on, your ego is 'gone', music can become your universe, or "theme" for whats going on (the salvia people! hahaha). I guess salvia got boring to me, i only do it once in a while, i have not had the balls to take in a HUGE amount while on another psychedelic, or maybe i can't.. i forget to take another huge hit, i'm just egoless immediately. Its defintely in its "own" class, like cannibis. I'm not even thinking about what "chemical class" it belongs to, just the experiences they bring. Of course, all of them having many things on common, thats why I call them psychedelics..must have that mind-expanding effect. Visuals, in any way (well, not any, almost), have been psychedelic. Taking a "visual only" drug, would be psychedelic, just because, well, for me they get you intersted in how the mind works, how it does this or that, visually, with perception.
 
To me salvia feels more like an inhalant than anything else.....but in my eyes purely psychedelic.
 
The only time i have ever done salvia i was tripping ym ass off on a quarter of some hydroponic shrooms. I couldn't say what it does to you independently, but i know that as soon as i hit it, i felt like my body was disintegrating into sand. Like someone was holding e and i just slowly slipped through the cracks in their fingers; and i absolutely LOVED it.
 
sd / salvinorin A - dissociative - most definitely, as Symmetrical and others have pointed out.

psychedelic?

well...as Atlas mentioned, this is a Kappa-opioid catalyst and if you subscribe to the theory that K-opioid receptor activity is "psychedelic" in the definition of the word as originally invented by Aldous Huxley and Al Hubbard...may you trip in peace.

for psychedelic and/or recreatiol / learning / spiritual growth value, IMNSHO, SD is right up there with straddling a long-ass, dull, rusty, AIDS-infected razorblade naked, then sliding down said razorblade into a pool of C2H6O.

i have my doubts about the whole diterprene psychedelics class altogether, but then again, i dont much like or enjoy MAJOR BRAINRAPE without something progressive to show for it later....

interesting light on this may be shed by the DARPP-32 discovery, which also appears to govern the action of the K-opioid recptors.
 
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I smoked salvia through a cigarett filter, and unfortunately I had no effects. Anyone aware of the cigarrett filter effecting the salvia smoke to getting to you're lungs like how it does to pot?
 
I've smoked salvia 5 or 6 times (most of those times with 5x Extract) and I never experienced anything more than a mild buzz.
 
The first time I had Salvia I had pretty intense visuals but physically couldn't take the 3rd bong load. I'm not totally sure what I experienced, but it seemed as if all the cells in my body were little bus drivers going to work and going home in rapid succession! Yeah well it made sense at the time! The 2nd time I took my first cone and had my gf pack and light the 2nd, the first came on real strong and some instinct told me that the next would make me go "up there". I actually asked my girlfriend if I could "stay here" and didn't take the 2nd cone. I held on to the stuff for a while but have found that Salvia seems to deteriorate really quick. And unfortunately the Australian government isn't into mind expanding drugs...
I'm planning a quick trip to New Zealand soon though!
Oh yeah! Definitely psychedelic in my view, although by all accounts I've only reached a level 2 on it.
 
DARRP-32?

Yes, please tell us more about this DARRP-32 thing. Interesting.

Salvia, oh salvia, what an intense mindfuck! Yuck. But that's just me. I have tried salvia via 10x extract and good fresh leaves. I also tried the two mixed, and the quid method of ingestion, which I personally could never get to work.

The most prominent feeling salvia gave me was an intense downward spiraling of the entire world down, down, down to the ground. It was crazy intense, but not very visual. I found that I had nothing to gain from this headspace, no real insight with salvinorin; and as for looking up at the sky on salvia...huh...the only way I could look at the sky was laying flat on my back because I just fell down, because salvia just sucked my head into that black hole in the ground below me.

Hope that makes sense.
Later --J
 
technically....

salvinorin-a is a dissociative. it is an entheogen - a drug that brings you in contact with god(s). there is a VERY specific goddess of salvia - Dama Maria, the Sage Queen and Guardian of Gateways. if you do it right, you WILL meet her. she can be a little stern, but sometimes she's nice.

generally, you smoke it, then you know she is in the room with you, you're like looking around trying to find her but you KNOW she's there. she has a fondness for peacock feathers capes. if she admits you, she will send you to another universe in exchange with another being for a brief period. thus the "guardian of the gateway".
 
As to the actual question, yes, I think salvia is true psychedelic. To me it has produced the most powerful mystical state in my life, so I keep it the most potent psychedelic I've tasted.
 
I do not believe salvia is a psychedelic by popular definition (nor do i believe dissociatives are). You all seem to think that just b/c a drug makes you hallucinate, or makes you lose your mind... its automatically considered "psychedelic."

Well by this definition then all those wonderfully delerious drugs like Datura and Dramamine are 100% psychedelic. As is sleep deprivation. Which certainly is not the case.

Psychedelics readily cross the blood-brain-barrier and thus have central effect in man, that is how they produce psychoactive effects. Therefore it is my personal opinion that it is resonable to classify hallucinogenic drugs in the same fashion--according to their neurological action. Traditional psychedelics act directly and primariliy on serotonin-2a (5-HT2A) recptors.

Where as salvia (kappa opioid), dissociatives (varied), and cannabis (anandamide) act on totally different recptor systems. But thats not to say these drugs don't display certain psychedelic-like properties, they most certainly do. But thats not however, the same as being a traditional "psychedelic" drug.
 
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why are we talking about whether salvia is a psychedelic or not, it doesn't matter what it is, it is about what it is doing with you
 
Animal called human being has a natural and intellectual need to classify things and to give names since without concepts we cannot discuss. Have you any need to define what is "libido"? There wouldn't be any languages without the need to define things.

But it's often difficult to classify drugs excatly, especially those with psychedelic properties. Many of them, LSD for instance, also stimulate the CNS.

It's funny to read English texts in which they explain that "there are dangerous drugs like heroin and useful drugs like antibiotics". In our language which is Elvis, an elf language developed by Tolkien, there is a different word to intoxicants and medicines.
 
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