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Big and Dandy Salvia Scraps

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ya, its more like a deliriant... it is not a true psych (lsd, shrooms,dmt) and not a true discc (ket/pcp/dxm) either.. in general, and excuse me saliva fans, i dont even consider it a real drug to repeat dosing on..
 
"True psychedelic" is not a very descriptive term, and is open to multiple definitions. In the past, I preferred using that label for drugs whose primary mechanism of psychoactivity is agonism at the 5-HT2A receptor, but I now refer to those drugs as "classical psychedelics." It is undeniable that MDMA has psychedelic qualities (primarily due to its low activity at the 5-HT2A receptor), but I do not like to call it a psychedelic because I feel that labeling it as such obscures the huge psychopharmacological differences between it and the classical psychedelics. As a side remark, I fucking hate how the government and law enforcement describe it as a "psychedelic stimulant" as if its effects amounted to those of a mixture of the two drug classes. Things like DOB and AMT are psychedelic stimulants (well, if you want to get really technical, all psychedelics are stimulants), and MDMA isn't. I think "entactogen" really is a better term for most MD-class compounds (excluding MDA, which really does straddle the boundary and can best be described as a "psychedelic entactogen"). For the same reason, I do not really like the use of the plain "psychedelic" label for DXM, ketamine, or PCP, which I prefer to call dissociatives, or even better, "dissociative psychedelics." Now that I've gone on this long and somewhat pointless discussion of semantics, I'll contradict everything I previously said and state that actually, from a descriptive and etymological point of view, "psychedelic" is actually a good label for all of the drugs I mentioned above. However, "hallucinogen" certainly isn't because it excludes most MDXX compounds, but still can be used to describe the dissociatives. Thus, the problem is that we don't really have a word that can only be used to describe the 5-HT2A agonists (whereas we have "dissociative" and "entactogen" for the others), and so we get into these semantic arguments about what is truly a psychedelic.

Salvia definitely has psychedelic qualities, and perhaps it is of the dissociative variety (closer to nitrous than ketamine IMO). I am not sure whether it is a dissociative because I have never broken through on DMT, which is not regarded as dissociative, and thus do not have a standpoint for comparing dissociative and non-dissociative "breakthrough" experiences.
 
I’ve never had bad trips when smoking Salvia while even cannabis can make me anxious and a bit paranoid. I believe that drugs that have both psychedelic and stimulation effects simply don’t suit for me. And most psychedelic are such drugs.

Well, once I smoked Salvia and was lying on the floor (I feel damn heavy on Salvia) I thought that the reality, in fact, is an unreality and perhaps I can’t reach the reality never again :( It was a bit worrying but not a truly bad trip. Later on I’ve thought that the feeling when you die could be something similar. When your heart stops beating your mind will probably not go out at the same moment but go on a little further (which may feel like an eternity… :\ )

Anyways, Salvia trips are very dream-like for me and not like "typical psychedelic trips" (tho I'm not expert in psychedelics). Those who lost their contact totally with the reality while on Salvia step into their dream worlds. They are not able to see their surroundings since they are living in the inner dream reality.

And like in the dream worlds Salvia trips contain much the subconscious stuff, and it's useful to interpret what's happened during your trips. But typically for the dreams it's often difficult to remember exactly what's happened during the Salvia trip.
 
A little addition to my previous message.

A typical "subconscious stuff" for me while tripping on Salvia is a "dream" in which I stand at a gate. Perhaps it means that I'm afraid to go any further in the trip. Or it symbols my eagerness to change my difficult events of life. (Shit I hate my clumsy English).
 
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i've only tried salvia once, and i found it to be way more dissociative than psychedelic... i took this huge bongload straight to the head, and a few seconds later i didnt feel quite 'right'... i didnt really even notice it coming on, it just suddenly was there, and for a second i was like "oh shit", or at least i TRIED to mentally say that, but in my mind it ended up sounding like "ooooooohhhhhhh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii -i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-" with no apparent end... then my perception was elevated to a spot in the sky ABOVE my friend's house, and i was looking down at his roof. i tried to voice what i was experienceing but it was utterly impossible... it was like passing out or something, a complete out of body experience, that at some times was terrifying. cuz there was one or two times when i would have a thought, and i'd try to express myself, but i couldn't at all, and this scared me tremendously at the time... but yeah that was a totally dissociative experience at the peak , scary stuff that i dont really have a desire to do again..
 
salvia is most definitely psychedelic...My most intense open eye and closed eye visuals were from 20x salvia. My world completely slipped away from me more so than it has on acid or mushrooms.
 
I don't know why Salvia wouldn't be considered disssociative; I think it is this quick "ripping away" of reality that can make Salvia scary. DXM has never really been scary for me, but perhaps this is because it takes you there gradually, and it numbs you as well. Salvia has no numbing effect for me at all, so when I'm thrown into another universe it feels like that unfamilliar universe is very real, not something I can describe as "just tripping". I understand the point that it is not like other psychedelics, but I view Salvia as a stronger psychedelic than LSD, although the experience is very short. The music has never "come alive" to the extent it did on Salvia, which is one of the things I noticed on LSD at a lesser extent. I say I consider Salvia stronger because one hit of Salvia reached a visual intensity that I never even came close to on 10 hits of LSD. It resemebled LSD or shrooms more than it did dramamine (the only deliriant I have tried). And it sounds nothing like Datura, from the trip reports I have read, since people tend to talk to people that aren't there. The Salvia experience is more alien and I have never thought the entities I encountered were people at all. There are never any familliar things in it, as there generally are in my dreams.
 
i tried and tried with 10x SD to get somthing, but to no avail... bet was a little buzzed and kind of a reddish color washing over everything. On a dose of DXM, it brought up some neat CEVs, but i struggles SO hard to hang on to them.... totally coherant, feeling a little heavy.\

No "Trip" whatsoever.

:(
 
Salvia is not a psychedellic, but rather a oneirogenic if I'm not to be mistaken.

"The main property of salvia divinorum is to induce flashes of REM activity during waking but without concomittant blockade of motor efferents."

"Salvia divinorum thus seems to activate neuronal systems which are triggered when one enters the REM phase of sleep."
--From the dear departed Claud Rifat

To anyone who might know; is this because salvia is not structurally similar to serotonion and does not bind to serotonin like some of the other known psychedellics?
 
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To anyone who might know; is this because salvia is not structurally similar to serotonion and does not bind to serotonin like some of the other known psychedellics?
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Yes, I thin so, but this isn't a fact. But what I, and a lots a lots of other people, I do know is that slavia isn't a tryptamine. Salvia got a totaly different molecule structure then tryptamines.
 
To anyone who might know; is this because salvia is not structurally similar to serotonion and does not bind to serotonin like some of the other known psychedellics?
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Salvia does not interact what so ever with any known psychedelic receptors, not 5-HT2A nor Anandamide (cannabis receptor). It actually acts on the kappa opioid receptor system, acting as an agonist.
 
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Uhh, I would but I have little to no understanding of how any of that works. :\

And if I did I'd possibly see your point, and just agree.
 
Indeed, it does not act on the 5-ht-2a receptors, but instead acts on the Kappa Opiod receptor, I just wanted to say that very same thing.. :)

And Salvia is certainly not a Tryptamine, it's a Diterpene. Saying it isn't a Tryptamine doesn't mean a thing though, phenetylamines also act on the 5-ht-2a, the receptors they act on is not generalized into one class of drugs (the Tryptamines in this case).
 
Fuck salvia, it messes around with your head more so then providing a real trip. Smoked it on a number of occasions only to experience uncomfortable feelings i cant even explain and mild visuals that were gone before i could notice i was seeing them
 
every time i've broken through I've been in a dark mossy dry robinhoodesque forest... and there's been something strange going on.

This strangeness makes me say "Fuck salvia"
 
Highroller,

Perhaps a trip isn't JUST about seeing visuals.

Salvia seems to me to be more of a trip than most things out there. Strange and uncomfortable, I cannot deny. But does that automatically mean that there isn't more to it?
 
I'm always amazed to see people dismissing Salvia. I consider it one of my strongest allies. Every time I smoke I have contact with entities and there is always something to be learned from them. One even gave me a gift to bring back from the spirit world. Yeah, hard to do, I know - but I was able to do it.
 
^^^ what was that gift? odd..... My experience was too weird to describe...entities that I felt, wanted me to give them things, I replied I couldn't because those things couldn't cross between the worlds.

I was smoking 20x extract when i finally broke through. It became weird and intense. I had a panicky out-of-body type feeling. Very floaty. I was lost in a forest of giant trees, and streams with slow motion waterfalls, rolling hills, snowcapped mountains that were glistening diamonds. Tingly air and sparkly things. Utterly beautifull and still vividly remembered, however there were horrid feelings with it... like experiencing someone elses memory of pain without feeling the pain ... until i found my way back to my living room i was being watched by a strange presence ...

it's the only psychedelic experience i've had thats been so unsettling and unerving, it wasn't controllable in form.
 
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