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I know that your large intestine is responsible for the absorption, but you can't expect it to extract the chemicals out of plant matter, you need to extract it first with a solvent and since the large intestine doesnt secrete any such solvents it will not extract the chemicals unless they are in their pure form. If it will it, then it will absorb only a miniscule amount. Maybe if you shoot up an enema with the plant matter and isopropyl alcohol, but I really don't see a way that it will extract everything out of the ground up seeds.
 
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when you take a drug rectally it actually goes up and back to your intestines as unabsorbed matter
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I know that your large intestine is responsible for the absorption
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First from the Merck Manual, second home edition Chapter 11. Drug Administration and Kinetics:

http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual_home2/sec02/ch011/ch011b.jsp

Rectal Route: Many drugs that are administered orally can also be administered rectally as a suppository. In this form, a drug is mixed with a waxy substance that dissolves or liquefies after it is inserted into the rectum. Because the rectum's wall is thin and its blood supply rich, the drug is readily absorbed. A suppository is prescribed for people who cannot take a drug orally because they have nausea, cannot swallow, or have restrictions on eating, as is required after many surgical operations. Drugs that are irritating in suppository form may have to be given by injection.
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Second from Formulation in Pharmacy Practice - 2nd Edition

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/alanmcc/Paradise/eMixtdemo/DWoods/Backpages/rectal.html

General Considerations (for rectal administration)

1. Adequate hydration of the dose form is important. If tablets or capsules are being inserted and the rectum is very dry, insert 10 - 15mL of warm water to assist the dissolution or dispersion of the dosage form. A water miscible lubricant such as KY® jelly is useful if tablets or capsules are inserted.
2. Partial avoidance of hepatic first-pass metabolism. The superior rectal vein, which perfuses the upper part of the rectum, passes directly into the portal circulation. The middle and inferior rectal veins perfuse the lower part of the rectum, and venous blood avoids first pass through the liver. Thus, the positioning of the dose form in the rectum will influence the bioavailability of drugs that are subjected to extensive first-pass metabolism.
3. Large dose volumes are difficult to retain in the rectum and hypertonic solutions have a laxative effect.
4. Some vehicles used for parenteral solutions, such as ethanol and propylene glycol, may be irritant to the rectal mucosa, especially if used chronically.
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Italic emphasis is mine. These two sources are telling me drugs are absorbed in the rectum its self, and the latter is even pointing out that some of it bypasses the first pass through the liver by doing so.

Also note that both sources are saying that the rectal mucosa can be vulnerble to irritants. We don't know what irritants (or maybe even carcinogens) might be in HWBR. I also woudn't be surprised if the likely hood of rectal irritation will vary from individual to individual.

It is a very old (ancient) medical AND shamanic practice
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So is datura. That doesn't make it safe.
 
I think a Faq on rectal administration would be very cool and would hopefully show all the little boys here that the asshole isn't really a scary or gross place. I have never actually taken any drugs rectally, but i have been interested in trying, and I am sure there are others like me who would appreciate a nice Faq.

Please guys, this is a place for information, no one here is looking for a post telling us how disgusting or gay rectall administration is. Don't waste peoples time with your negative posts.
 
Thanks a lot for the quotes, Glogga. However, I will have to disagree with your Datura analogy... Datura itself is not used medicinally (yes I know Atropine is used medicinally but that is purified atropine) - Suppositories have a log medical history and are still used. If they were not safe, then the medical communitiy wouldhave stopped using them alltogether. You are right though, shamanic use (I was thinking of Peyote Enemas) does not have to be safe (Like Yopo).

Speaking of which, I am sure Rectal administration is at least safer than insufflation, and it is almost as effective.

I am working on a small article. I will post it when I'm done and we'll see where it leads.
 
However, I will have to disagree with your Datura analogy... Datura itself is not used medicinally (yes I know Atropine is used medicinally but that is purified atropine) -
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Jamshyd, you specifically said "very old (ancient) medical" use, which I took as meaning before modern medicine. For that you'll find datura use, draining blood, and a few other things that don't work.

Suppositories have a log medical history and are still used. If they were not safe, then the medical communitiy wouldhave stopped using them alltogether.
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Correct. But plant enemas AFAIK are not used in modern medicine. Nor do I know of any Shamanic enemas of HWBR.
 
Ghettotastic_bong said:
Alright guys, out of bordem on a friday night, i'm getting ready to try this. The seeds (aprox. 250-300 heavenly blues) will be chewed throughly, and then will be inserted into the rectum, via pastry bag (It will be washed afterwards!!)

I'll update this thread througout the night
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That is extremely gross. Good luck though. :D
 
Ghettotastic_bong said:
Needless to say, this is not the most efficent method of doing this, for anyone intrested, i would reccomend creating a powder out of the seeds (I don't have any grinder to do so with), mixing it with a water-base of somesort, and merely using a large syringe to insert it.
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Very true. But I have to say your post is ammusing to imagine, lol. No offense intended.

Yes, taking stuff rectally is much like snorting (faster come-up). Maybe not exactly as fast as snorting, but MUCH faster than oral. As Glogga warned though, taking seeds may not be absolutely safe, though I do not think they will do more harm than they would when taken orally. Please keep us posted.

...one more thing. 250 - 300 seeds???? thats a LOT for a rectal dose!!! expect a VERY strong trip if all the contents get absorbed.
 
I think a suppository would be a simpler (or at least less farcical) way of administration. The following is taken from The Complete Medicinal Herbal by Penelope Ody (1993):

PESSARIES AND SUPPOSITORIES
Steel moulds to make up to 24 pessaries and suppositories, as well as disposable moulds, are available from specialist suppliers. A home-made mould can be shaped from cooking foil: press it around a small object about 1cm in diameter and 2cm in length - a thimble is ideal. First lubricate the mould by filling it with a mixture made from 20ml soft soap, 100ml glycerine and 80ml industrial alcohol or methylated spirits. After a few minutes, pour off the lubricant and drain well. Fill the mould with a pessary mixture made by melting 20g cocoa butter in a double saucepan and stirring in 10-20 drops (0.5 - 1ml) essential oil. The unused pessary lubricant can be stored in a clean glass bottle for future use. Alternatively, heat 15g gelatin with 20ml glycerine and 30ml infusion or diluted tincture. Pour the mixture into a lubricated mould and leave to set for about two hours; then open the mould and carefully remove. Store the pessaries and suppositories in a cool place.

The main problem I see here is applying too much heat to the LSAs while making the mixture.

Bravo for your attempt though Gehtto!
 
Why the fuck did I get a stupid goddamn warning for what I said in this post Iso U fuckin suck man. Sometimes I feel like bluelight is kindergarden for druggies. Some people need to be put in thier place and realise they need a little common sense dished out to them. Plenty of other strongly express thier opinions and don't get warnings so fuck off, this is a DISCUSSION forum meaning people are free to discuss thier thoughts, mine may have been a bit harsh but in actuality I only meant it to benefit that person so they may realise how stupid thier question was. I mean come on how many people out thier do you really think have the answer to this one.
 
Common sense? What? So far, all of your arguments have simply consisted of rectal insertion being a bad thing due to social taboos, which really don't have a place on a forum like this. If you've got something to contribute on the subject, i'd love to hear it, but so far, i haven't really heard anything of the sort from you, other than condemning those who would use a rectal absorbtion method.
 
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drop it. As long as I am here, and I think I speak for the other mods, this forum will be a place where we don't jdge based on social taboos. I mean, dear god, we are already discussing illicit drug use on the internet; we're already far beyond what society tells us is taboo.
 
The Big and Dandy HBWR/MGS Thread (merged)

Me and my roomate just consumed 9 grams of morning glory heavenly blue seeds. We still have like 5 grams left. Do you think we should eat more, we ate them like 15 minutes ago and waiting for the buzz. We chewed them all up and drank wit water on a half empty stomach.
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... puke man puke u will get poisoned..... :D shit seeds suck cock
 
yeah they can provide a top notch trip but sometimes the neausa can be too much for me.

So are you TRIPPIN BALLLLSSSS yet?
 
if u r eating heavenly blues... and order from a good website 300 seeds are ok i guess for that body high... coz some cheap sites give fucked up seeds that u can really get fukd..
 
morning glory seeds edible or not?

a few days ago, i got some morning glory seeds produced by the Burpee brand.
i just got back from walmart with some more seeds, but i couldnt find the burpee brand so i got the walmart gardens brand.
and ofcourse, sicne im at home now, i realized this little white box on the front that says in black letters, not bold or anything just normal black lettering saying
"Seed contained herein is for planting purposes only, do not ingest"
now is this some type of warning as "these have been sprayed, if you eat them you will die, hahaha no tripping for you"
are they sprayed with poison so i cant eat them or what?
:( i bet they are :X
 
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