Heroin bf overdosed (i think) @ hospital now

[jamesBrown]

I thought you would understand this. But...

When the hospital doesnt get payed it has to charge more for its services. As a result of that, insurance companies have to pay more , as do paying customers.

The bill isnt getting deferred anywhere, its getting absorbed into the cost of running the hospital, which has a very direct relationship to how much the hospital charges for its services.

That is the VERY VERY BEGINNING of how it raises costs for insurance companies and thus people. There is a lot more deeper info than that.

Actually the hospital bill DOES get covered by the city. thats why when you dont hvae insurance and you have a medical emergency they send you to the communities hospital that has a program set up to basically cover everyone who needs medical attention, yet they cant pay for it. I promise you, a hospital cannot afford to "foot the bill" for everyone they treat that doesnt pay. If they did that there prices would be so massive that NO ONE would be able to get medical care.
Im suprised you have never heard of these types of programs. Its a very simle concept. the city pays for these bills out of there taxes. Atleast thats how it is in the city I live in. If you dont have insurance they take you to the local "city funded" hospital that has a program set up for the patients with no insurance.

 

[Princess_Poppy]

Yep ^^ we went to one such hospital. Who knows, maybe if we speak with some people the bill will become more reasonable. And to tommyboy, maybe, but I doubt it. Like I said his blood pressure was really high... doesn't really line up. I think they would be where we are at, which is I'm sure the H had something to do with it, but it certainly doesn't explain what happened.

 

[jwun011]

Actually the hospital bill DOES get covered by the city. thats why when you dont hvae insurance and you have a medical emergency they send you to the communities hospital that has a program set up to basically cover everyone who needs medical attention, yet they cant pay for it. I promise you, a hospital cannot afford to "foot the bill" for everyone they treat that doesnt pay. If they did that there prices would be so massive that NO ONE would be able to get medical care.
Im suprised you have never heard of these types of programs. Its a very simle concept. the city pays for these bills out of there taxes. Atleast thats how it is in the city I live in. If you dont have insurance they take you to the local "city funded" hospital that has a program set up for the patients with no insurance.

Yep, if you ever need EMS, they perform a wallet biopsy right away (which is looking in your wallet for an insurance card) if you don't have your wallet, or forgot your card, you are getting dropped off at one of those hospitals.

 

[regfairfield]

i used to be on masshealth and they covered everything..looking back now that i stepped up my life game i feel people in the system are a) lazy or b) throughly enjoy having other people pay for their shit....medicare is easy as shit to qualify for its just a process and some people dont want to go through the bullshit....

 

[Tommyboy]

Jwunn,
U see that on The Sopranos?

 

[poisonlover]

I know I am a little late to this post. Call me a rookie (I'm not) but I think your boyfriend got some of that legendary East Coast dope. Maybe that new connection was the real deal. Just my perspective.

 

[jamesBrown]

Yep, if you ever need EMS, they perform a wallet biopsy right away (which is looking in your wallet for an insurance card) if you don't have your wallet, or forgot your card, you are getting dropped off at one of those hospitals.

I think they just simply ask you if you have health insurance. And if you are unable to speak for any reason, they ask whoever is with you(like a relative or close friend). And if they dont have anyone to ask, they simply take you to the hospital with this "government funded" program just in case......unless you are extremely critical condition, then they probably take you to whichever hospital is the closest....and then you figure out the details later.

This has happened to several friends of mine on several occassions. They had some emergency and when the EMS showed up, they were asked if they had insurance and which hospital they would like to go to. The emergency technicians would explain that they could go to "Hospital XXXXX" and recieve government assistance if they didnt have insurance....or they could go to to "Hospital XXXX" which is NOT set up with a government program and you would be forced to be responsible for your bills(Allthough im pretty sure that in general, the hospitals that DO NOT have government programs tend to have "higher quality service" and more experienced medical staff and more up to date medical equipment......the "governement program" hospitals tend to be the ones where you sometimes have to wait all night long before you can get any servce since there are so many people who cannot afford health insurance.) But they WILL NOT turn you away just because you cant pay.

 

[Princess_Poppy]

Poison lover, u must not live on the east coast. Its not always that legendary I really dunno. I didn't have time to evaluate my high. I was duckin in the car while I was waiting at the hospital.

 

[jamesBrown]

Poison lover, u must not live on the east coast. Its not always that legendary I really dunno. I didn't have time to evaluate my high. I was duckin in the car while I was waiting at the hospital.

why were you "duckin in the car"?

 

[adubwakka]

Actually the hospital bill DOES get covered by the city. thats why when you dont hvae insurance and you have a medical emergency they send you to the communities hospital that has a program set up to basically cover everyone who needs medical attention, yet they cant pay for it. I promise you, a hospital cannot afford to "foot the bill" for everyone they treat that doesnt pay. If they did that there prices would be so massive that NO ONE would be able to get medical care.
Im suprised you have never heard of these types of programs. Its a very simle concept. the city pays for these bills out of there taxes. Atleast thats how it is in the city I live in. If you dont have insurance they take you to the local "city funded" hospital that has a program set up for the patients with no insurance.

Actually, this is false. When you are in an emergency/life threatening situation (ie: overdose) if someone brings you in then no matter what hospital you are at they are required by FEDERAL law to treat you. They dont say, oh you dont have insurance? hold on while we transfer you to some other hospital. When you get picked up by an ambulance you get taken to closest hospital(if its life-threatening) whether you have insurance or not. Thus, causing the hospital to foot the bill if you dont pay for it, which results in hospital rates rising, which results in everyones insurance rising.

Hospitals that the cities fund do exist, but they are used for non life-threatening situations.

 

[jamesBrown]

Actually, this is false. When you are in an emergency/life threatening situation (ie: overdose) if someone brings you in then no matter what hospital you are at they are required by FEDERAL law to treat you. They dont say, oh you dont have insurance? hold on while we transfer you to some other hospital. When you get picked up by an ambulance you get taken to closest hospital(if its life-threatening) whether you have insurance or not. Thus, causing the hospital to foot the bill if you dont pay for it, which results in hospital rates rising, which results in everyones insurance rising.

Hospitals that the cities fund do exist, but they are used for non life-threatening situations.

I never said that ANY hospital would refuse to help you.

Also, the hospitals that have government funded programs are fully functioning hospitals that dont take only "non life threatening cases". Have you ever seen the reality television show..."Trauma: Life in the ER"......every single one of the hospitals featured on that show have government funded programs, yet almost every single episode has atleast 3-4 life threatening situations. In fact, I as watching it this morning and several people died.
It is just plain rediculous to state....."Hospitals that the cities fund do exist, but they are used for non life-threatening situations." Im sry but that is completely untrue.

Also....as I explained earlier, the EMS WILL take you to the nearest hospital if you are in critical condition. If you actually read my post you would have seen that I typed that so you wouldnt have wasted your time saying..."When you get picked up by an ambulance you get taken to closest hospital(if its life-threatening) whether you have insurance or not."...as if I disagreed with that statement. Its like your trying to change what I said to start an argument.
Also....they DO ask you if you have insurance when they pick you up if you are not in critical condition so they can take you to the appropriate hospital. For example, where I live, there are atleast 4 hospitals that have government funded programs, so no matter where you are, you are within a short driving distance of a hospital that is equipped to treat ANYBODY....insurance or no insurance.

 

[adubwakka]

I never said that ANY hospital would refuse to help you.

Also, the hospitals that have government funded programs are fully functioning hospitals that dont take only "non life threatening cases". Have you ever seen the reality television show..."Trauma: Life in the ER"......every single one of the hospitals featured on that show have government funded programs, yet almost every single episode has atleast 3-4 life threatening situations. In fact, I as watching it this morning and several people died.
It is just plain rediculous to state....."Hospitals that the cities fund do exist, but they are used for non life-threatening situations." Im sry but that is completely untrue.

Also....as I explained earlier, the EMS WILL take you to the nearest hospital if you are in critical condition. If you actually read my post you would have seen that I typed that so you wouldnt have wasted your time saying..."When you get picked up by an ambulance you get taken to closest hospital(if its life-threatening) whether you have insurance or not."...as if I disagreed with that statement. Its like your trying to change what I said to start an argument.
Also....they DO ask you if you have insurance when they pick you up if you are not in critical condition so they can take you to the appropriate hospital. For example, where I live, there are atleast 4 hospitals that have government funded programs, so no matter where you are, you are within a short driving distance of a hospital that is equipped to treat ANYBODY....insurance or no insurance.

So basically, what you're saying is that I was correct with my original statements, no one was talking about the non life threatening situations that you brought up. Thanks for your input though.

 

[Princess_Poppy]

why were you "duckin in the car"?

in other words nodding... u never heard that slang?

 

[SubutexMan]

WHen someone OD"s please give them fucking CPR... I mean if you dont know how to its not as helpful but still give it a go because you can save there lives and more over save there brain if they dont get oxygen they might cuz back but they might come back not themselfs and never leave the mental hospital. GOOD LUCK with your boyfreind and hopfully he will get his act together due to this... No one desereves to fall out but sometimes you gotta fall out before you smarten up.

 

[jamesBrown]

in other words nodding... u never heard that slang?

haha...nope. I swear on my life that "duckin" only either means acting like a duck, or staying low so someone doesnt see you. It definitely does not mean "nodding", where I come from. In fact, where I live, if you used that slang term meaning "noddin".....I can guarantee you will be laughed at profusely. No offense, im just sayin. No one has ever even heard of that where I live. It just sounds kind of like a "dorky" slang term....and where I live, everyone likes to think there all hard and ghetto and shit...so they only use slang terms that suggest a "manly" personality.....and I doubt "duckin" would work for them. Like I said, I have no problem with it, its just I know it wouldnt fly over here.

 

[Vaya]

I don't have sources in the conventional sense of the term. At the time, and over the years, it was simply common knowledge that the Mexican labs were importing their product which, upon entering the country, was diverted to make bags of heroin more powerful for cheaper. Recall that Fentanyl is active in micrograms, making it impossible to identify by the average user except for how it feels. I'm so glad to hear that many of the main culprit laboratories were shut down, but nonetheless, my experience last week cannot help but prove that it is still practiced with east coast bags of heroin.

I care for the safety of all peoples, and if my post sounded aggressive or dramatic, it was simply out of the desire I felt to make my point stick. I myself wasn't aware of this sickly procedure until the police who responded to the 911 call (along with the paramedics) informed my family that it was becoming a dramatic problem in my ares at the time of my overdose. Their suspicions of it being laced were confirmed when the hospital's toxicology report came back positive for both Fentanyl and heroin.

~ vaya

 

[etard7007]

yeah i would have to agree that you should have told the doctors the truth... because then instead of "speculating" on BL, the doctors could tell you EXACTLY what happened. they spent over 10 years of their life studying, this wouldn't be a mystery to you if you ask them.

and i think its a common misconception that cops get involved in ODs. i ODed a long time ago from mixing oxycontin and coke when i was opiate naive. i had used opiates fairly frequently but i didnt have that high of a tolerance. long story short the coke made me so up that i didnt notice the extreme sedation that i had from the oxycodone. i kept doing more and more. i was with a friend and decided to stay at his place. i actually put myself to sleep, i felt fine, i didn't "OD" as in pass out instantly from too high of a dose... as the coke wore off the opiates took over. 12 hours later my friend woke up to me turning blue and gasping for air. my liver, kidneys and pancreas ALL FAILED. im fuckin lucky as i was revived and ALL my organs got back to full health within a week in the ICU.

However, sadly because I was laying motionless on my right arm for twelve hours, i crushed two of the major nerves running down my arm (radial and ulnar)...

i now suffer from severe nerve damage in my right arm, leaving it mostly dysfunctional. my tricep is nonexistent (i sometimes accidently smack myself in the face if i lift my arm too high), i cant pick up my wrist, and my fingers cant even move side to side or extent much at all and are extremely weak. this is accompanied by the most excruciating chronic burning, stinging, throbbing and stabbing nerve pain you could imagine.

whats SO fucked is that i now have to take opiates to relieve the pain that was caused by opiate overdose.

So forget the fucking police. an od is EXTREMELY serious. cops should be the last thing on your mind. you are not going to wake up in the hospital to a cop taking you to jail for a bag of dope. i had many more pills on me and no cops got involved. if my friend had hesitated for even 5 minutes contemplating the risk of getting in trouble with the law i would have been way worse than just a fucked up arm (which is really starting to improve amazingly!)... i woulda been fucking dead.

In the sake of harm reduction ALWAYS TELL THE DOCTORS whats up! you could seriously harm yourself, a friend or a loved one if you don't.

 

[artaxerxes]

etard, how long has it been since you damaged the nerves in your arm?

I did the same thing to my radial nerve, right arm, and eventually I re-gained all function in my hand and arm. But it took about 6 months and I didn't mash it as bad as you did yours. I did lose all ability to raise my hand and I couldn't use my fingers at all. I did P/T for 6 months.

I'm just saying, don't give up hope. I know a couple of people (musicians) who've gone through the same thing (I depend on my right arm for my career too) and we all made it through.

Scary as fuck. I wish you the speediest and fullest recovery possible.

 

[Vaya]

I wasn't saying anything.. I was saying that the 'famous' Mexican labs that were producing fent around the time that Vaya OD'd have since been closed. LIKE I SAID- That is not to say there isn't 150 more labs around the US producing Fent.

hey baybe, im curious, when/how did they all get shut down?
nevertheless, so fucking happy yo hear it (even though I'm still finding Fented dope 4 1/2 years later )

~ vaya

 

[Never_Sober]

Sooo... the scariest thing that has ever happened to me a couple of hours ago. Me and my bf of 3 1/2 yrs got a bag of dope. Was supposed to be a .5, but it looked rather short. Some of you may recall that I'm in MMT. Don't want to get lectured about usung right now, but I'm mentioning it to reference my tolerance. Long story short, he went out to the car looking for some cigs. I probably came outside a few minutes after. I found him slumped over into the paaengers seat. He was completely non responsive. My roommate called EMS and after a couple of minutes his eyes rolled back. Before that he had lost almost all the color in his face and did not appear to be breathing. His eyes going back REALLY freaked me out and I started to attempt cpr, even though I didn't completely know what I was doing. After a couple of minutes, he had begun to come back. Once again I'm going to omit some details... he tells the EMT all he did was have some drinks and that he worked a very long day. He was told that by law he had to go to the hospital. Its probably for the best as his blood pressure was at stroke levels apparently. ANYWAYS the doc just called me to see what I had to say and I just repeated his story b/c I assume that's what my bf wants. So the question is, are we totally throwing them off and wasting everyones time? What would happen if we told the truth? Also why IS his blood pressure so high? 180/90 before we came to the ER and his doc just said it was still pretty high. What do you all think. Still worried but so very very greatful he's still here think I got scared straight in the process. Hope someone can shed some light on all this. THANK YOU!!!

Now I'm no doctor on the subject so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I could definatly say its very possible his body was trying to compinsate for its shallow and unresponsive nature (OD state) with high blood pressure and irregular heart beat, but I've also been through an OD, caused by my stupidity in dosing a new user with a small tolerance, its definatly some scary shit, and I've also seen people leave friends of 10-15 years in fast food bathrooms in fear of getting in trouble so congrats on keeping your cool and calling the EMS!