Benzos Best Benzo (or something else) for anxiety?

[dylan007]

why dont you just try alcohol and some meow meow youll be sorted! if that doesnt work i suggest Heroin, never seen a junkey with these problems

 

[Depressicaa]

I don't think I can do normal things while screwed up on mephadone and getting drunk. I would rather get a prescription than trust tarbags. A host of different problems follows heroin usage, although an opiate is not out of the question.

 

[qwe]

I don't get any euphoria from either Xanax or Klonopin. In fact I don't know what I am supposed to be looking for. I don't know if either helps at this point, just because I haven't talked to more people or whatever. It took the edge off weed, but I think its silly to take a drug for another drug.

it won't get you talking to more people by itself. you still have to work at that

it's useful if the natural chemical state of your brain is tilted towards the anxiety end, and this effects what thoughts and feelings you have. like youll realize the last few thoughts you had were totally illogical and from paranoia or anxiety about people looking at you

i get lots of anxiety thoughts in social situations, and hyperfocus on negative things. particularly in social settings where i'm expected to talk but there's no clear direction for the conversation

what the benzos do, even at doses lower than the pleasant body relaxation buzz dose, is tilt my head a little bit away from the anxiety end of the spectrum, and those anxious thoughts don't come out of the blue nearly so much (out of the chemical state of my brain since the neurons are slowed down a bit) and i don't feel general discomfort in my body from anxiety. and my insomnia doesn't act up when i'm taking benzos (unless tolerance causes that to poke through sometimes) also due to basically slowing down parts of the brain

unfortunately, tolerance is a huge bitch with benzos. it'll go right up and if you don't increase dose some anxiety can poke through the therapeutic effects if youve been using more than a few months. you start to feel undermedicated but increasing the dose is not usually a sustainable option and if you get a hefty tolerance to benzos you're in for some ouchies

i also don't find them particularly recreational. if you take a large dose you just feel like a beer buzz but more clear headed, but rather tired. but after tolerance/dependence develops, it's real easy to want to take a pill to feel more relaxed. if i wanna flood my brain with gaba i'll just have some beer or a couple shots cuz that actually has a little euphoria. if you drink and have no benzo tolerance, careful with that, even at therapeutic dose they'll both multiply. if you drink more than once a week, be very wary of the alcohol increasing your benzo tolerance, that can cause trouble

welcome to the world of benzos, hope you enjoy your stay

 

[Depressicaa]

Yeah I don't really wanna do that, I was just curious why I didn't get euphoria from them. I didn't get a high from them at all, and I don't really get anxiety relief the way I imagined. I thought I would just stop caring about everything and just do whatever I wanted, instead some sort of fear is gone now, but I am still stuck doing nothing.

Thank you for your warm welcome. I try to take halfs of my Xanax so I won't get too dependent on them, but it doesn't even seem to work. I don't drink very often, so there should be little tolerance though, I wonder why it doesn't work better.

Opiates made me sleepy and somewhat more social. I wasn't as happy as I was with Adderall, but I was quite satisfied with 15mg hydrocodone.

 

[wtblife]

I'm new to opiates, but it just feels like what I've been missing all my life or something, anxiety gone and I'm just happier.

Depressicaa, amphetamines or opiates work better for that imo, benzos are better for panic attacks and shit. Low dose of opiates can't go wrong in like any situation imo.

 

[Depressicaa]

I don't have access to regular opiates unfortunately. I get prescribed Dexedrine and although I don't think it gives me anxiety, I don't get the same social feelings anymore, and benzos should work to take away any anxiety I believe.

What is a low dose opiate to you? I'm getting some Vicodins for my teeth, and I've done CWE on them, and they're working fabulously for my pain, in fact its nonexistent now. I can't get access to opiates regularly, so this supply can only last so long.

 

[adder]

This thread is full of stupid advice, be aware before you go crazy and start trying some like "alcohol and some meow meow" (yeah, let's leave out years of researches and just bang some mephedrone because it's flashy now in certain junkies societies).

And what if you just do that opioid you get and you snort mephedrone (nevermind you're already taking an amphetamine), and everything goes great with some girl. You don't even notice when you're fucked up and you take a hotel room. What a surprise it's gonna be when she finds out you're all hot but she's not to you. Will you talk her to death then?

This one is HR like no thread here. Gets my vote!

 

[RedRum OG]

opiates. unhealthy... but for me its like the opposite of my anxiety. so im in love.

 

[Depressicaa]

What is anxiety relief supposed to feel like? I don't know if its working, I get sleepy but not happier or feel the need to be social. I still 'care' I guess, probably the dose is too low?

 

[psychihelp]

I'd love to stop being a pussy and be able to talk to girls and stuff.

It would be preferable if it was long lasting, strong and did not make me sleepy or kill my sex drive. So far I'm reading about Klonopin being good. I've had Lorazapam (half an mg put me to sleep with no tolerance) and Xanax (half a bar put me to sleep for 13 hours). Guess my tolerance isn't that high. Lorazapam made me feel like I was drunk though. I'm currently getting Zoloft for anxiety, but I really don't want it. I'm going to talk to my doctor about it soon. I never really got euphoria from benzos, I don't know if I was taking too little or whatever, but I don't really care for it, as long as it helps with anxiety.

When I woke up from the Lorazapam, I felt like my face was saggy, is that common (or was it placebo)?

Thanks!

Oh boy the last time I told I was a neuropsych doc everyone's scrutinizing my answers and some of those people don't have a text bk on psych! Anyway coming to u'r case Try Paxil CR 25 its the best anxiolytic with say 0.5mg klonopin. The paxil will kill u're libido that's the difficulty but its the fastest acting round the clock anti-anxiety and improvements start start only after a week and u'll no longer need the klonopin. other drugs take 14-21 days. There are 2 more very good choices u can hav both or one. Lyrica 150mg(first few days u'll be sleepy) then build upto 600mg/day. The other choice is a Remeron15 at bedtime, again u'll be sleep more a week but after that u'll feel u're on top of the world , it'll take 14-21 days to act fully. if Lyrica 150 is too sedatind start from 75mg u can write to me at sayansdesk at gmail dot com. Instead of Klonopin u can take lorazepam if u like so, a non sedating benzo is clobazam (Frisium)But better leave benzos alone they are so addictive, and except paxil none of the other drugs will affect u're libido, remeron increases it. That's what I give my patients some I give Neurontin high doses (allergic to Lyrica) and I don't give that Venlafaxine crap where u've to build u're doses from 37.5mg to 225mg at weekly intervals so they relief after a year or something and withdrawals are death-defying challenges!!

 

[psychihelp]

I don't get any euphoria from either Xanax or Klonopin. In fact I don't know what I am supposed to be looking for. I don't know if either helps at this point, just because I haven't talked to more people or whatever. It took the edge off weed, but I think its silly to take a drug for another drug.

Why don't you try various doses of Valium ,say 5 to 40 mg I think u'll feel high.and then there's Lyrica which half my patients abuse.1st time take 900mg and u'll looking at earth from the moon-I'm keeping it legal here otherwise I would said heroin or crack but don't- it's a one-way ticket.

 

[psychihelp]

What is anxiety relief supposed to feel like? I don't know if its working, I get sleepy but not happier or feel the need to be social. I still 'care' I guess, probably the dose is too low?

See my answer below in reply to depressicas question,i'm psychihelp

 

[qwe]

Oh boy the last time I told I was a neuropsych doc everyone's scrutinizing my answers and some of those people don't have a text bk on psych! Anyway coming to u'r case Try Paxil CR 25 its the best anxiolytic with say 0.5mg klonopin. The paxil will kill u're libido that's the difficulty but its the fastest acting round the clock anti-anxiety and improvements start start only after a week and u'll no longer need the klonopin. other drugs take 14-21 days. There are 2 more very good choices u can hav both or one. Lyrica 150mg(first few days u'll be sleepy) then build upto 600mg/day. The other choice is a Remeron15 at bedtime, again u'll be sleep more a week but after that u'll feel u're on top of the world , it'll take 14-21 days to act fully. if Lyrica 150 is too sedatind start from 75mg u can write to me at sayansdesk at gmail dot com. Instead of Klonopin u can take lorazepam if u like so, a non sedating benzo is clobazam (Frisium)But better leave benzos alone they are so addictive, and except paxil none of the other drugs will affect u're libido, remeron increases it. That's what I give my patients some I give Neurontin high doses (allergic to Lyrica) and I don't give that Venlafaxine crap where u've to build u're doses from 37.5mg to 225mg at weekly intervals so they relief after a year or something and withdrawals are death-defying challenges!!

Why don't you try various doses of Valium ,say 5 to 40 mg I think u'll feel high.and then there's Lyrica which half my patients abuse.1st time take 900mg and u'll looking at earth from the moon-I'm keeping it legal here otherwise I would said heroin or crack but don't- it's a one-way ticket.

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[genghis]

It's statements like this as to why there is such a fucking stigma around anxiety and anxiety disorders. If you have never suffered with chronic anxiety, then you simply don't know what you're talking about. She isn't asking for a "confidence" booster, she is asking about how to control probably debilitating anxiety. Being diagnosed with panic disorder since age 18, I know what that is like. Hell, for some people, just being able to walk out their front door becomes a near impossible task. Please have some stinking compassion....if you haven't walked in these shoes, then you honestly have NO idea.

Same with people saying "you need to teach yourself"...etc etc etc,,,it is not that easy, b/c if it was, any of us with anxiety would do it.

OP...1st of all, if you haven't tried therapy, I would highly recommend it, specifically CBT (cognitive behavior therapy). While meds will certainly help lessen the symptoms, you need long term coping skills...and that's where therapy is irreplaceable.

As for meds....I personally have had a lot of success with antidepressants with a short acting benzo (Ativan, Xanax) for strictlly "as needed" use. With this kind of thing....many times it requires a bit of trial and error trying different meds until you find the "right" one for you, as everyone reacts differently to different meds. The short acting benzos are really only designed for either "as needed" use (like a "rescue" med in times where anxiety is high), or short term courses of treatment (usually no more than about 3 months if used regularly) b/c of the tolerance issues. Klonopin is a great option for long term maintenence to basically try to "prevent" anxiety rather than treating it when it pops up. But, as someone else mentioned, it seems as though benzos in general sort of knock you on your behind, and Klonopin is a tough one in that respect. Stay away from meds like Adderall as it can seriously increase anxiety, as it is stimulating.

My advice to you is...if you haven't already...find a good psychiatrist who can officially diagnose what anxiety disorder you have (if any) and recommend a medication regimen, and therapy. I prefer that people are maintained on these kinds of meds more by a psych than a PCP, especially if it is for the long-term.

Best of luck to you, and just know that there are a lot of us who know what you go through, it really can be rough!!!

I was waiting for someone to say this. I am so tired of this anti-drug fear mongering that goes on on this site, especially when it concerns benzo's. Sorry a bunch of BS Anthony Robbins Personal Poweresque suggestions are not going to do anything to solve most people with chronic anxiety. Sure you can train yourself for years and years until you can obtain some type of normalcy, but what makes a lot more sense is to take the medication as needed, and practice these skills in conjunction with each other. What a shocking idea.

You see, the drugs are meant to provide a means by which a person is able to function normally and during this time they should be developing new coping skills and techniques, and the drugs allow them to experience life without anxiety, and allows them to form good patterns and strategies of behavior. This is by far the most effective way to produce real and lasting change in people, not stupid admomnitions about how you got hooked on xanax when you were 17 and the withdrawals suck. First off, not everyone that is prescribed Benzo's wants to abuse them, most just want to reduce their feeling of complete dread and crippling anxiety that dominates their lives at times. Second, not everyone becomes ridiculously addicted to these drugs either. I suffered much worse Wd's from quitting paxil than I did when I stopped taking xanax, so your horror stories are most likely something that you read on a forum and have zero personal experience with yourself.

I am sick and tired of reading these ignorant post that only serve to cast a negative stigma over some very effective drugs, and they prolong people's misery as they keep telling themselves that they should be strong enough to change this behavior themselves, which inevitably leads to failure and increased feelings of anixety and depression.

 

[Depressicaa]

^ Thanks. Its like a junior stockbroker asking a senior: "How do I pick the right stocks?" and the Senior replies "Pick the winning stocks."

Without concrete "news you can use" most strategies aren't very effective or helpful.

During the whole time, I've used probably 3 pills, and they didn't seem to help much at all. I think the dose is too low, and I can't feel it. I'm going to ignore the 8 hour as needed bullshit with .25mg then again I haven't done much, maybe because I haven't tried to put myself into situations that would cause anxiety, pretty antisocial huh?

Psychihelp, thanks for your help. What I wanted was something instant acting and something that I could stop using at anytime. Mirtazapine seems interesting though, did you ever use any tricyclics? Paxil seems like it would ruin the reason I want to stop being anxious, I'm quite scared of SSRIs in general. Is Valium more effective than Klonopin for long term effects, or does the half life have nothing to do with therapeutics?

 

[BananasAndOranges]

There are some seriously fucked up comments in here. If you cant talk to someone due to some kind of anxiety issue then I think maybe benzos, are something that should be looked into. I was a weird kid until I got on benzos, but I guess I was always weird. Some people really do need the stuff to talk to people. I hate when I hear some asshole tell another that its something they need to face? Its not always easy facing a social phobia. Especially if its something that you have had to deal with your whole life.

I think ativan or valium would do you best anything else would probably fade you in a bad way.

 

[doppelganga196]

I had great luck with low dose diazepam, like 5-10 mg only when i feel what i call 'the dread' which is like anxiety to the point where you cannot ignore it.

Lorazepam is actually pretty good, i had some of these prescribed legit when i went to see my doctor after an awful speed binge, 1-2 mg worked very nicely.

I just ran out of 42 valium that lasted me about 4 months, then last week me & a friend were doing cocaine for the first time since new years eve, well i knew i was in trouble as i came down but no benzos were around so i had no choice but to improvise with morphine & codeine oh and opium tea also.

I really want to just find a doc that will give me ONLY 10 5 mg diazepam every 90 days, that's not much to ask now is it?

 

[Keif' Richards]

Correct me if I'm wrong but there seems to be a lot of emphasis on the talking to girls aspect of your problem. A poster above me mentioned speed. If you are looking for an extremely quick fix to your problem, a little amphetamine should do the trick. My own opinion.

Anyway if you just want the anxiety gone, clonazepam is probably a good choice. I've taken it licitly and otherwise to deal with my own anxiety and find the longer duration of effects to be great. Like has already been said, alprazolam/diazepam is gonna be way more inebriating and shorter lasting, and in my experience both of those have a lower threshold for blacking out than say some kpins would.

My recommendation is a little bit of speed, a "responsible" dose for talking to chicks. And I would never recommend taking benzos to anyone who has freakish anxiety, that never ends well

 

[hydrochron]

Xanax, because you can take it as needed. Klonopin if you want to take somthing all the time. Personally I have less anxiety now that i'm off benzo's. So there's really no point, just a waste of time.

Remember eventually they will stop working, and even if they do work you'll get paradoxial effects from them.

Take opiates. Much easier on your body/ and brain.

 

[Depressicaa]

Owww!
I smoked some JWH and ate some, then since I got paranoid I reached for a benzo. I couldn't find my low Xanax pills so I cut a Lorazapam (Atavian) in half to take .5mg. I woke up the next day with a killer headache, slept in until 5 in the afternoon with a few semi-wakes. I think the benzo did this, haha I never get a hangover on alcohol (gives me insomnia, I pass out for 3 hours or so then wake up and its usually around 5am and I can't sleep again).

I might ask for Temazapam since it improves sleep (seems that people find it very euphoric as well) and shouldn't cause this in case I fall asleep right? Would it help for anxiety as well or is it too sedating?

Valium was another choice I had, Xanax made me sleep like this the last time I took around 1mg, but I didn't wake up with a killer headache. Klonopin didn't seem to do much of anything when I took it (1mg) I might revisit it and see if its any good for anxiety.

So far since I know that cannabanoids+weed causes me paranoia I'm trying out different benzos while smoking instead of going to socially anxious situations to see what benzo is the best for keeping the anxiety away, or making it go away. Does this seem like a bad idea? I'd like to make sure that the benzo my doctor prescribes me works, but I fear this is a good way to get addicted to the usage of benzos.

Do I need a therapist to do cognitive training or is there some stuff I can do on my own?