Benzo Discussion

[jancrow]

Yeah but I didn't go loopy on them, I just took two to see me through visitors when I wasn't really in the mood for seeing people. It was weird, trying to focus on things it felt like my eyeballs were kind of lagging and swimming in my head and not pointing exactly where I wanted them to.... they were also less euphoric than genuine diaz for me. I think something's up with them. I've just had another in the interests of harm exploration.

 

[IdiotsInStereo]

I love my Valium, personally. It's a brilliant hangover cure, a solution to boring longhaul flights and coach journeys etc.

I've tried others and they are undoubtedly fun but...
Xanax - too memory blanky
Klonopin - too memory blanky and caused an embarrassing episode of benzo rage
Temazepam - Meh... I was feeling nice then BAM I wake up then it's morning. Total waste. (yeah I know that's kind of the point

 

[Anxiety]

A ton of recreational users in this thread. I must say I despise you recreational users, you're one of the reasons as to why those who really need it have more trouble getting it legit.

 

[Evad]

they are terrible for any kind of long term treatment of anxiety, most physically addicted people got that way through being scripted them. people who use them occasionally are not the issue here, it's their over prescription in the past and the problems that came from it.

 

[Myshkin]

A ton of recreational users in this thread. I must say I despise you recreational users, you're one of the reasons as to why those who really need it have more trouble getting it legit.

Aw, stop the self-righteousness for a minute... it's making me anxious.

 

[Anxiety]

they are terrible for any kind of long term treatment of anxiety, most physically addicted people got that way through being scripted them. people who use them occasionally are not the issue here, it's their over prescription in the past and the problems that came from it.

That's another reason, but that doesn't rule out the effect recreational users have on doctors' minds.

There are plenty of other substances you can get high of other than benzos. Benzos aren't even that great for highs, they just put you to sleep.

 

[Myshkin]

Here's a thought: maybe some of the people discussing the 'recreational use' you so disapprove of actually use them to relieve anxiety rather than to 'get high'?

Nobody has a monopoly on anxiety, whether their benzos come with a script or not.

 

[Evad]

physical dependence is doctor's main reason for not scripting benzos for anxiety and while they may be excellent at treating the short term symptoms, the rebound anxiety when stopping plus that rather than attempting to deal with the problem they simply mask it means that they are a poor choice for anxiety. The fact they are abusable/have a street resale value is a factor but the reason they are not dished out like sweets is because they are not the best treatment.

 

[Anxiety]

Here's a thought: maybe some of the people discussing the 'recreational use' you so disapprove of actually use them to relieve anxiety rather than to 'get high'?

Nobody has a monopoly on anxiety, whether their benzos come with a script or not.

Well, obviously some people use it to relieve anxiety, you can't go wrong with stating that, it's an obvious fact of which I am aware. But if you read through the thread a little, some people clearly use it as a high, I'm pointing at those few who take triple and quadruple doses (clearly hooked) for a bit of a ''high'' while behind their PC browsing Bluelight, rather than using it for its intended use.

I don't care about scripts, I'm not saying you should get a prescription (I've gotten benzos without one), just use it for its intended use and because you need it, not because you want it. They damage the reputation of benzos, fact, even my doc thinks I'm a ''seeker''.

 

[Myshkin]

I'm pointing at those few who take triple and quadruple doses (clearly hooked) for a bit of a ''high'' while behind their PC browsing Bluelight, rather than using it for its intended use..

Hey, did you get one of my PMs too?

They damage the reputation of benzos, fact, even my doc thinks I'm a ''seeker''.

You and me both. Agreed then, in that context at least. Still, like Evad said I think it's more to do with their addiction potential rather than recreational use. Long-term benzo scripts (and barbs before that) have ruined many a life in the past.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Anxiety- I get your point totally. I have recently become a bit of a recreational user of benzos, here is how, start a year ago. go to the doctor with genuine inability to sleep, a total mess, etc. go back 2 weeks later in same state, continue cycle for 6 months and think for the whole thing, where i literally was going insane and lost over a stone, i got 14* 3.5mg zopiclone, 14*7mg zopiclone, 2*28*2mg diazepam.

what the do you think i, or any rational person, is gonna do once they find someone who sells them? go through the arse of getting a prescription which will do me a maximum of 2 anxiety spells despite the 28 pills, or get something that actually has a decent dose? now these things suddenly aren't so precious to me anymore, i think i should try them recreationally. bam. so i understand your frustration, i'm just trying to point out that the very fact its so difficult to get them from doctors, when you're in genuine need, probably makes people far more likely to abuse them if they get essentially an unlimited supply.

and Evad I do agree, they are not good for treating long term anxiety. but my stance on that is that every psychoactive prescription should be handed out with at least 6 months of weekly counselling, i.e. all this shit is useless if no one helps you get the tools you need to actually cope with life.

 

[Anxiety]

SamhainGrim- I'm guessing you're one of them, but seriously just to clear up, I don't want to come across as a genuine hater, just pissed off that my doc has decided not to give me a benzo recently.

Chinup- I agree with the points about benzo's addiction potential, but when I had them I never became addicted. Reason being, I only took them in situations where I really needed them, e.g. presentations or interviews or in cases extreme of insomnia (codeine did the job for regular insomnia), I'd take a maximum of 3 pills per week, 2 most weeks... Maybe having a substitute med helped though.

I just think the way they are being prescribed are ridiculous, there are people taking daily doses of benzos, that is clearly too much. If you take them on a PRN basis, you could manage months or even years without addiction.

 

[Myshkin]

^ So that's not you on another thread asking for advice on recreational use of potentially-addictive pain medication is it? Couldn't be.

The advice is appreciated but I've knocked them on the head for now anyway. Like you say, not really a recreational drug.

 

[jancrow]

Jesus, I wouldn't take benzos before an interview. Eyes like goldfish bowls don't really do you many favours in those face to face first impression situations.

 

[Anxiety]

Jesus, I wouldn't take benzos before an interview. Eyes like goldfish bowls don't really do you many favours in those face to face first impression situations.

Worked well for me. And I'd rather have that than facial twitches.

^ So that's not you on another thread asking for advice on recreational use of potentially-addictive pain medication is it? Couldn't be.

The advice is appreciated but I've knocked them on the head for now anyway. Like you say, not really a recreational drug.

Codeine gives me great sleep when I can't get any. Wouldn't call that recreational... Nice buzz and gets rid of the stressful thoughts.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I just think the way they are being prescribed are ridiculous, there are people taking daily doses of benzos, that is clearly too much. If you take them on a PRN basis, you could manage months or even years without addiction.

I disagree. my first experience of benzos was daily doses as per doctors orders (different health care system) and frankly that script probably saved my life. at this point every aspect of my health was being watched minutely, i don't know if that makes a difference to how willing they are to give them to you. though i certainly became dependent on them and still am to this day, despite going years barely touching them. they are way healthier than any of my other coping mechanisms.

 

[maxalfie]

Diazepam

Hi I have never really had to use benzos until recently due to our on going heroin drought in our part of the country. I just wandererd if I take 10-15mg diazepam a day would I be ok to woRk a 12hr shift on that quantity and would it take me long to build up some tolerance to it? Thanks for any help in advance.

 

[Myshkin]

You should be fine to work a 12-hour shift. Depending on when you last dosed the diazepam, you may find waking up is a little harder, but this wears off quickly in my experience.

I take it these are scripted diazepam? If you know exactly what's in them then it helps. Remember black market-wise there's a lot of phenazepam out there being sold as yellows and blues, though you probably already knew that.

Lastly, tolerance will build pretty rapidly. Try not to increase your dose too much if you can help it, and remember if you're using them for weeks on end then you'll have to taper off them or end up in a world of bovver. Of course if you've got the benefit of medical supervision then they'll help you with this.

Hope it goes well.

 

[breakcorefiend]

from experience ive noticed that valium plus mxe is a very bad monged out idea that ends up with you in arguments with your other half,need to knock this messiness thing on the head i think

 

[igloo600]

%)Made a right cunt of my first night out raving in london for AGES due to heroin habit, kids e,c,t.
Just arrived in vauxhall to go Renegade Hardware at Club Area (real hatd and dark drum and bass nighy ) anyway, between 3 of us we done a 70cl bottle of Bells n coke in 3glasses then I took 2, 2mg clonazepam and 12, 5mg diazapam. Yeah, good buzz at the time with a couple of drinx from the bar on top.
Here's the cunt, I cant remember shit all. Well, maybe a little hrre and there but royally fucked a wiked club night I wanfed to go to for AGES!! Was my birthday too, so was defo a lesson well learnt.
Don't ova do the benzos when going out on a night you have anticipated for ages, good job I got some good vids on my phone at least.