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Benzo Discussion Vol. 3 (I think? Last night's a blur..)

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I can relate to that, I'm just past the half way mark on my taper off Diaz this is the third time around in about 2-3 years I reckon. I really don't think Benzos are a long term solution to anxiety, they very quickly become a bigger problem than the anxiety itself die to the stupid tolerance.

I think you probably have a bit more in the way of self control than I do, in fact it seems most people have, I either never had any or lost it somewhere (probably that Phenaz :)).

Don't let 'em rush you into a taper or it just won't work, not sure how much your taking but there's no way I could jump off the train in 3 weeks when I started, not with out involuntary break dancing :!
 
One thing I've often wondered with benzo (particularly diaz) tapers - I'd assume that, in most cirumstances anyway, you have to be eating well more than what your doctor will prescribe you (if they'll prescribe you any at all) before you need to go on a long drawn out taper. Are doctors OK with you bouncing in & shouting "I've been self medicating with 100mg of diazepam a day that I've been buying off John down the road, now I want to come off it so give me a script", surely not?

What's to stop me rocking up to the GP & claiming to be addicted to every recreational prescription drug they've got going just to get a big fuck off script for free benzos/codeine/whatever else I can think of?
 
The only benzo i have experience of is Etizolam (i know its not technically a benzo) and have been taking them daily for many months now. Somehow my tolerance to its so called hypnotic effects has not risen very much at all. Possibly because i generally stick to the 'therapeutic' doses. 2mg still sends me swiftly to sleep. However i dont get the same level of anxiety reduction from them anymore. For example i cant smoke synthetic cannaboids at the moment without panic/paranoia attacks. 1mg Etizolam would initially have stomped all that shit right out, but it has lost that level of effectiveness.
 
parttime crackhead said:
One thing I've often wondered with benzo (particularly diaz) tapers - I'd assume that, in most cirumstances anyway, you have to be eating well more than what your doctor will prescribe you (if they'll prescribe you any at all) before you need to go on a long drawn out taper. Are doctors OK with you bouncing in & shouting "I've been self medicating with 100mg of diazepam a day that I've been buying off John down the road, now I want to come off it so give me a script", surely not?

What's to stop me rocking up to the GP & claiming to be addicted to every recreational prescription drug they've got going just to get a big fuck off script for free benzos/codeine/whatever else I can think of?
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my doctor has so far, been aware that I went onto paki benzos for 4 months, then came back to the taper and she put me straight back on at the higher level, same happened when I fisrt visited her with my powdered alprazolam problem which I ended up getting a 65mg diazepam a day prescription because of, my GP is also a qualified psychiatrist so she kind of knows what she is doing unlike most GPs, but still, evvery GP I have had has been aware of previous benzo and other drug abuse and catered to it in the tapering schedule, like really used their medical knowledge to try and help rather than fuck me up, the only thing they wont do is cater to your every whim and prescribe you whatever you want, I've never really intentiaonally tried to con my doctor, and when I have it hasn't worked, so yeah, I'm lucky to have a good GP, I'm currently AWOL though and need to resurrect my position and get under propoer care
 
I doubt my GP would prescribe anything other than a total of about 10mg (as in 5x2mg pills) even if my life depended on it. When I've went in with symptoms of stress/anxiety he's basically said "I can prescribe something that will definitely, definitely help (diaz) but I won't because it can be addictive. Instead I'm going to prescribe an anti-depressant that may or may not work, has loads of horrible side effects & fucks about with your brain in ways you don't need it to - but isn't addictive".

Cheers mate :\ I'll buy my own.
 
Contrary to previous statement those msjs are strong. Ate 3 earlier on basically KO'd woke up feeling fresh as.

Roches are shite vals, whoever said they are good (can't remember) but I'd be shocked! Krk apaurin or HK's are the best blues, but concidering prices apaurin are as sam said a bit expensive. 100 for 55, but then I suppose they are clean and actually 10mg.

These msjs I thought were maybe on the low side when I ate a lot the other night but between that 3 tonight must have been more than 30mg cos I never KO at doses higher than that. The theory of inconsistent dosing seems likely.
 
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The ones I had, tiny blue ones were way more than 10Mgs on average, its very difficult to judge one against another when you've already got the stuff in your system but you can still tell you've dropped. IT was a while ago when I had some and I would agree that there was some variation from tab to tab but I'd say some were closer to 25mgs. I never though to weigh one, given they are quite hard and well pressed they would have to have some filler in, I'm sure.

I'd be interested to know the weight of one of the small ones, I would also have to admit that you could definitely feel how clean they were, just subtly so but noticeable against cheap PK stuff without a doubt.
 
Got hold of some msj's and had my first last night to smooth off some dopermine rebound from G and was disappointed, had another and tbh don't especially feel diazed :-( wish I'd stuck to buying xanax these wee blues are going to be unreliable - not good.

Footnote - I'm taking it my benzo tolerance is nil not had any for 4 months now.
 
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The ones I had, tiny blue ones were way more than 10Mgs on average, its very difficult to judge one against another when you've already got the stuff in your system but you can still tell you've dropped. IT was a while ago when I had some and I would agree that there was some variation from tab to tab but I'd say some were closer to 25mgs. I never though to weigh one, given they are quite hard and well pressed they would have to have some filler in, I'm sure.

I'd be interested to know the weight of one of the small ones, I would also have to admit that you could definitely feel how clean they were, just subtly so but noticeable against cheap PK stuff without a doubt.
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Weighing them is totally pointless. That's not going to tell you in any way shape or form how much diazepam is in them. There has to be binders. I've just weighed one & my (wildly inaccurate) scales are shouting it's 70mg. All I now know from that is that there can't be more than 70mg diazepam in it, there could only be 2mg diaz in it though.
 
^ I hear you my friend. That's what every doc said to me in 2008 & every time i said thank you kindly but no. ( To antidepressants )

Last year, pretty much a year now to the day i went to see my doctor for help with an addiction.

I'd got hooked on using sleeping pills after being prescribed zopiclone then temazepam about 18 months ago, then when i could only get 14 zopiclone every few months (this is what my doc said he could then give me) I decided i'd buy online, at first i had a beautiful few weeks using nitrazepam (maaaan i'm gonna get more of those asap) then i bought diazepam cos its cheaper.

After months of using 20 mg at night & around 10/20 during the day (admittedly oft for rec purposes) i realised i was in big trouble. I tried doing my own taper but it always went pear shaped, so i went to see the wizzard & was scripted 84 yellow 5mg diazepam every two weeks.

I admit the first thing i thought when i left the docs office was SCORE! even though i really did intend to take a long break from them but knew i couldnt cold turkey - i tried & i had all kinds of weird symptoms like getting hit in the funny bone in your head sensation, bad mushroom trip moments, muscle twiches.

Later on i was prescribed oxazepam, which i requested & actually got - 14 15mg tabs, not on repeat, just now & then. This was when i'd got down to 8 mg of diazepam on a taper.

After not visiting the doc for months & making many, many online repeat prescription requests, which i got. I was cut off.

I went to see my doc & i told him iwas using 30 mg oxazepam per day. So he put me back on diazepam ( Get this, the doc knew nothing about benzo equivalency ) at 30 mg! I said ' I think i can manage on 25. So that's what i've tapered down from over the last few months, with a reduction of 14 2 mg pills every script. I pick up on monday/tuesday 14 2mg pills down from 28/42/56 et cetera.

However, although this will be 1 pill per day, after that i'm no way ready to stop them completely, even though i can go days, even weeks without them. They still are very useful to me especially since i'm now coming down on my methadone dosage from 65 mg so i can switch to subutex.

I'm already planning to buy a box of 28 blues on the 5th of june. Let's face it i'll need em.
 
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That's what I don't get. The doctor will point blank refuse to prescribe benzos while even saying in the same sentence that they will definitely help, because of the addiction potential. Yet if you rock in & just shout that you're already addicted they'll be printing off scripts left right & centre. Makes no fucking sense at all to me.
 
That's exactly what I did. I was buying them online, but I may have exaggerated, slightly. I still get 40 x 5mg a fortnight, for anxiety. I only take 15mg every two days, and it works great. Been the same for the last 6 or so years. No withdrawals, when I run out. It's a great long-term solution - for me. I'm not speaking for anyone else. They're the only thing I haven't abused, because I know what will happen.
 
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Weighing them is totally pointless. That's not going to tell you in any way shape or form how much diazepam is in them. There has to be binders. I've just weighed one & my (wildly inaccurate) scales are shouting it's 70mg. All I now know from that is that there can't be more than 70mg diazepam in it, there could only be 2mg diaz in it though.
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You need to slow down and read my post and engage a bit more of your brain before you go off at a tangent and start saying its totally pointless. I clearly said they must have binders in they as they are so well pressed. Clearly only a lab test would tell us what was in one pill it was a simple question of interest that would give some indication of what the max dose might be.

"That's not going to tell you in any way shape or form how much diazepam is in them"

Thats bollox if they had weighed in at 30mgs we would know that they must contain less than 30mgs so your statement doesn't stand up at all, now go polish your spinny wheel trims. ;)
 
I don't lol.

Genuinely, I don't understand your post.
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Me neither, but then I never do.

There's no way all the msj's are nearer to 30mg or 25mg than 10, not a hope. Especially at the prices they are going for.

What I'm saying basically is some of them seem to be about 8-12 maybe (guess), took about 10 of them, wasn't even that bad, few days later I ate 3 and was completely zonked. The majority of them are probably 10mg ish, the odd few slightly more. Best not to eat too many at once.

There are snides going round too which are only about 5mg aswell, so I'm told.
 
took 2 msj and 1 roche last night, got me feeling bliss then conked right out, woke up 9 hours later still monged. tis quite nice but its giving me the munchies. might pop another or do a lil bit of oxy n get in bed n chill, cant be fucked to do anything today. few dvds n stuff i need to watch
 
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