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Benzo Discussion Vol. 3 (I think? Last night's a blur..)

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rockstar 69 said:
Me neither, but then I never do.

There's no way all the msj's are nearer to 30mg or 25mg than 10, not a hope. Especially at the prices they are going for.

What I'm saying basically is some of them seem to be about 8-12 maybe (guess), took about 10 of them, wasn't even that bad, few days later I ate 3 and was completely zonked. The majority of them are probably 10mg ish, the odd few slightly more. Best not to eat too many at once.

There are snides going round too which are only about 5mg aswell, so I'm told.
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This is getting a bit tired :\, who sad they were nearer to 25-30mgs ?? my comment was "I'd say some were closer to 25mgs" when mine arrived I dropped one and left it half an hour and thought they seemed pretty dam good so a dropped another and ended up going for a kip for half and hour coz I was so fekered. I'm not getting into what mt tolerance was at the time but in general I'd say there were plenty of pills in that batch which were way over 10mgs. People are saying they are supposed to be 10mgs, which seems logical but, as I remember they don't actually have 10 on them any where so thats nothing more than hearsay.

Maybe the tubs have 10mgs written on them? I haven't seen one so I wouldn't know.

User reports suggest that the dosages vary widely from pill to pill and we have no idea why this is, is it deliberate? , is it a batching issue where the mix is prepared for pressing in relatively small amounts compared to overall production but then batches are mixed before packing?, or is there an issue with the mixing of the binding agent and the diazepam?.

The last one seems the most likely but also a bit odd given the quality of the actual product in terms of the active chemical and the pressing itself. In the end none of us actually know, unless you have a mate of a mate of mate that knows a bloke who has been to the production facility and discussed the end to end process ??

I haven't had them for ages so what I had could be totally different from what you have, they are illicit pills, they are unlikely to have made numerous tonnes of them all at the same time the shut down production, its little different to discussing Mitsubishi's that look like they can from the same press.

Shall we just move on from pointless tittle tattle
 
parttime crackhead said:
I don't lol.

Genuinely, I don't understand your post.
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was\all a bit "sourcey" GP shopping etc....maybe not intentionally, but was straying that way.

and atm, I have great repect for your benzo knowledge, you know FAR FAR more than i do, but crackheeds point about weighing the pills is very relevant, weighing the pills would tell you nothing at all. Unless I've completely misunderstood both of your postings on this point.
 
Mailmonkey said:
was\all a bit "sourcey" GP shopping etc....maybe not intentionally, but was straying that way.

and atm, I have great repect for your benzo knowledge, you know FAR FAR more than i do, but crackheeds point about weighing the pills is very relevant, weighing the pills would tell you nothing at all. Unless I've completely misunderstood both of your postings on this point.
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You've not misunderstood mine. The pills are clearly going to weigh far in excess of the diazepam content.
 
^^^

You all loosing the ability to read and use a simple bit of logic. Of course the pills will contain binders, I said that in the original post, most people seem to suggest about a 50/50 split is normal, this holds true for commercially produced things like Ibuprofen and Paracetamol, I just checked.

I will spell this out one more time...if the pill weighs 70mgs we now know it cannot contain more than 70mgs of active substance in fact we can be pretty sure of its a well made pill, in that its well pressed and not falling to bits it will likely contain about half or less. Not a great deal of info but some none the less.

In truth I just said I'd be interested to know what one weighed, now I've explained the reason for the innocent little question can we move on.

If my responses were a little grouchy my apologies, its been a tough weekend.
 
sorry atm, but I have to agree with everyone else that is saying weighing the pills is not going to get you any information about the contents of them, it is a completely pointless task.
 
Don;t be sorry Mugz, just go back and read the last post I made, you and all then others are factually incorrect, I'm not going post on this anymore. Its simple logic.

If a pill weighs 70mgs then it cant possibly contain more than 70mgs of active substance, if you or anyone else would like to explain to me how that is not information then I'll comment again if not, shall we just move on I'm not interested in scoring points on this. 8(
 
atm23 said:
If a pill weighs 70mgs then it cant possibly contain more than 70mgs of active substance, if you or anyone else would like to explain to me how that is not information then I'll comment again if not, shall we just move on I'm not interested in scoring points on this. 8(
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thats\exazctly what crackheeds saying...

I've just weighed one & my (wildly inaccurate) scales are shouting it's 70mg. All I now know from that is that there can't be more than 70mg diazepam in it, there could only be 2mg diaz in it though.
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lets all love each other.

and eat.

:D
 
I know I am a pedant by self confession, but the point is that that process does provide some information and therefore is not "totally pointless" especially in this instance when it is quite clear that these particular tabs contain significantly more than 2mgs.

Totally pointless would mean the process yielded no information at all when it clearly does, useful information well thats some thing else I would still say yes as you have some idea of the maximum dose, I would say that that is useful information, if you don;t think it is then we will all have to agree to disagree.

Love and hugs all round;)
 
I've been eating blistered Daz round here as they are the cheapest and they do the job fine. Probably not a full 10mg dose in each pill, but if it isn't it's fairly close. Had better but they do the job for someone like me who only takes them for comedowns and the odd rare occasion.
 
The active to binder ratio of diaz is way higher than paracetamol. I reckon a blue weighs about 150mg, so that's a very large window of estimate. I got what you meant, atm. However, I did agree it wouldn't be effective, purely because of the pill weight. Imagine getting 100mg of diaz in one pill. I'd take two. :D Could someone weigh a blue or yellow? I have no scales.
 
these fake blistered roche jobbys ive been popping every weekend for months are class, shame im nearly out and cant get anymore atm, only thing i dont like about valium is it lasts so long, went to work monday still feeling monged as fuck. unless these things are passed off as valium but contain something similar, not too clued up on benzos

Got my etiz arriving soon
 
The general consensus from crackhead and FT was etiz is not worthwhile getting if you can get valium.

Also blistered roches are shit. Try chewing one, if it tastes waxy like you've just eaten a crayon they're probably shit. All the decent vals HK's, Apaurins etc all seem to just taste like diaz powder with something like milk powder (I'm not saying that's the binder cos it won't be), but they are bearable to eat.

These MSJ's I've got at the moment are not bad. Definate inconsistent dosing but got thrown out of a pub last week on them (only found out today - they were def why though) for being a cheeky git and not being able to speak/walk properly. Some of them are definately stronger than others but they are nice, cheap and clean.
 
well thats your opinion that you think blistered roches are shit, me and and many other people around here also think these are good, many people who've tried different valium, branded, unbranded, msjs, hks, whatever the fuck, people are willing to pay well over the odds for these things
 
Works a little too well for me. That could be due to substandard vallies recently though. Makes time fly by at work.. Great nights sleep.. Good hangover cure etc.

Got to be careful as i also noticed the negative effects when mixed with too much booze. As in being obnoxious a tad cuntish in retrospect.. gaps in memory etc. Will be more careful and leave more time between dropping a few etiz and starting to drink in future :\
 
well thats your opinion that you think blistered roches are shit, me and and many other people around here also think these are good, many people who've tried different valium, branded, unbranded, msjs, hks, whatever the fuck, people are willing to pay well over the odds for these things
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Sorry mate but honestly I struggle to believe there are any decent roches around. The factory making them shut in pakistan about 2 years ago at least, they are knock off's, some tested as phenaz, some even tested as mephedrone, all sorts, then there's the nasty binders. Concidering the bulk prices which we wont get into here but you'd have to be daft to pay 'over the odds' for any roche diaz tablet.
 
Treacle said:
The active to binder ratio of diaz is way higher than paracetamol. I reckon a blue weighs about 150mg, so that's a very large window of estimate. I got what you meant, atm. However, I did agree it wouldn't be effective, purely because of the pill weight. Imagine getting 100mg of diaz in one pill. I'd take two. :D Could someone weigh a blue or yellow? I have no scales.
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Yeah they were just goading my pedantry:D...quite well to be fair.

I just weighed a Cipla Zepose 10, which are reasonably decent and it was 190mgs they are quite well pressed I guess to a large extent you if you are any good at setting up a pill press you will just use the correct amount of binders to make a decent pill out of the chosen press, the amount of active chemical is just part of that equation.

With illegitimate production I guess its also going to be about what quality level you are going for, I've had stuff from PK that I'm pretty sure has come from the same press and factory, at least the pills were identical in size and the blister packs were the same apart from the print and they were totally different.

Same as MDXX I guess you never know where you stand until you've dropped one and its even more difficult to judge with blues
 
yeah, i think the most "effective" roche"diaz" i ever had could have been phenaz.

i've never tried phenaz, but it seemed like how people describe phenaz .

I too REALLY struggle to believe that you are the only person on here who manages to source legit roche. ~It's not impossible, but highly unlikely
 
well whatever, even if they are considered shite, they work n thats all i give a fuck about, i got them cheap, people like em, i like them. theres a lot worse around
 
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