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Benzo Discussion v4

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Clonaz has sent my tolerance through the roof. Even needed a few of proper scripted diazepam. Need 1 at minimum (2mg) now when using for sleep. I think I'd be fucked with the more knock out benzos as even this stuff makes me sleep through a morning.

Few months back could feel 1 blue, no chance now. I'm not even eating the things daily. How longs it take tolerance to go down again? Hope it isn't anything like k.
 
Benzo tolerance drops quite slowly but does go back to baseline eventually. Nowhere near as bad as ketolerance. I used to heavily abuse any benzos I could lay hands on. Not done that for years now and tolerance is back to before I ever took any. Only use benzos occasionally and in moderation now.

Clonaz is long-acting but not really very sedating. Can see how any effects you get would linger through the next day though. I actually liked 'em for this cos unlike other long-acting benzos they didn't zombify me. I never took more than 1mg in a day though. Never had a regular enough supply to get habituated to 'em.
 
I realllly liked clonaz, almost glad I only had 20 of them, verry long lasting, very relaxing, but as Shambles said, not sedating, very functional.

I have very low benzo tolerance, but could take a 2mg clonaz first thing in the morning and work fine all day, made my spliffs nicer too =D

I can't see how 1mg clonaz "=" 20mg diaz, there's no way I could do a days work (without being seriously debilitated) on 40mg diaz.
 
Mailmonkey said:
I can't see how 1mg clonaz "=" 20mg diaz, there's no way I could do a days work (without being seriously debilitated) on 40mg diaz.
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I can see how. It's the lack of sedation that confuses the issue but in terms of muscle relaxation and anxiolysis it's definitely equivalent to that level of diaz. Imo, ime, ymmv, etc, etc. Isn't 1mg of alpraz supposed to be equivalent to 10mg of diaz? Or maybe it's 20mg. Either way 1mg of alpraz will knock me out whereas the equivalent dose of diaz I'd barely feel. Summat to do with the way different benzos have different spread of anxiolytic, anti-spasmodic and hypnotic effects, I presume. Technically they are equivalent but can feel quite different subjectively.
 
^Technically, 1mg of alprazolam = 20mg diazepam. Alpraz is definitely the one that hits me much harder every time though, I also get much more euphoria but the memory loss tends to be more common. I find diaz to be considerably calmer and much more subtle. An interesting one is tetrazepam because it doesn't really do anything other than muscle relaxation so you can feel perfectly normal psychologically/emotionally etc., but not be able to stand up without pathetically flopping over onto the closest wall =D
So I think you're definitely right about the fact that it has to do with how much of each effect each benzo contains. It's really interesting to compare though.
 
Ya. The equivalency thing can be very confusing and make little sense sometimes. Same as with opioid equivalence charts. There is no fukkin way on this Earth that I take the equivalent of 85mg of morphine a day in codeine but so sez the charts apparently :?

I think the equivalences are worked out in rather technical ways - binding affinities and the like rather than subjective effects. You try telling a doctor that morphine is a shit painkiller cos an adequate analgesic dose just sends you to sleep - they just don't believe you. Similar with benzos - one can work far better for particular circumstances than another even if the equivalent doses are waaaaaaaay off.
 
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Had some orange c10's recently, been hearing multiple things, some saying they are shit some saying they are not diaz and some saying they are just a rogue batch with lots of duds and 5mg ones n that. :/
 
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Had some orange c10's recently, been hearing multiple things, some saying they are shit some saying they are not diaz and some saying they are just a rogue batch with lots of duds and 5mg ones n that. :/
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Just the completely blank almost light orange ones yea? Theyve come to the end of there life now Ive heard, same route as the triangular 2mg xanax though, I still thought the orange ones were alot better than most of the blues around at the moment but they seemed to be getting weaker, almost going from an orange to an off white almost also...

NAy way... new pink 20mgs diaz ment to be coming from exactly that direction soon, so hopefully get the nice high dosed first batch they always throw out..
 
Thanks brimz,hope u r ok bud, ill catch up on few your posts see what ya been doing, A question mate no one seems to be able to answer conclusively at cdt, Is it possible to get dvt in your leg , when you've only ever dug in your arm and the sore legs on the opposite side of arm iv site?
also im on clonazepam 2 mg a day, get 4 0.5mg. do you really believe the aston table saying o.5mg is equal too 10 mg of diazepam.?
 
I've tried samples of Pynazolam recently and I can't say that I'm overly impressed.
It certainly has anxiolytic properties, in such a way that they exist but it doesn't quite give you the extroversion, euphoria nor sedation that Etizolam provides.

The samples I was provided didn't state the dosage of each pill, of which I got 10 of 3 different novel benzos. I started with 2 Pynazolam pills but increased the dosage once I realized how weak the effects were.
For a purely anxiolytic chemical which doesn't muddle your mind at all, I'd say that they seem fairly good.
You are going to need large doses unless the manufacturers increases the pynazolam ratio for the pills if this chemical starts being supplied by the vendors.

I do like that Pynazolam leaves you with a very clear mind, it definitely has its own niche.
Whilst self-medication is definitely not suggested, I do feel as though Pynazolam can reduce your anxiety without the addictive/sedative effects of other benzos.

I believe that Pynazolam is a Pyrazolam analogue, which I have limited experience with. It was a very disappointing chemical which I had to consume massive quantities of to feel anything, however I do feel as though Pynazolam definitely feels more refined.

Overall, I believe that Pynazolam could be a very handy chemical providing that the price isn't too high. Pyrazolam is far too costly considering that Etizolam is superior to it in almost every way whilst being far cheaper.


I'll be giving you my opinion on Pyeazplam (which I've heard is mislabeled and should be Pyeazolam) and Cl-Diazepam when I get around to trying them.
 
I am currently prescribed 20mg of Temazepam to help me sleep ( taking 30mg due to tolerance) and as you would expect its doing absolutely nothing to help. I've used illicit Nitrazepam in the past with much better results but I am unsure whether asking my doctor for another hypnotic is a risky move as she might take me off Temazepam all toghether.

How do you go about asking for Dalmane, Zolpidem or Mogadon? Without sounding off massive alarm bells?
 
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Just the completely blank almost light orange ones yea? Theyve come to the end of there life now Ive heard, same route as the triangular 2mg xanax though, I still thought the orange ones were alot better than most of the blues around at the moment but they seemed to be getting weaker, almost going from an orange to an off white almost also...

NAy way... new pink 20mgs diaz ment to be coming from exactly that direction soon, so hopefully get the nice high dosed first batch they always throw out..
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those pink roche I had were 25mg valium if that's what arrives will be a bonus for u :)
 
Mercc96 said:
I am currently prescribed 20mg of Temazepam to help me sleep ( taking 30mg due to tolerance) and as you would expect its doing absolutely nothing to help. I've used illicit Nitrazepam in the past with much better results but I am unsure whether asking my doctor for another hypnotic is a risky move as she might take me off Temazepam all toghether.

How do you go about asking for Dalmane, Zolpidem or Mogadon? Without sounding off massive alarm bells?
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Eeeh if I were you I wouldn't hope to get on Zolpidem. Much more problems come out of that one. It gave me absolutely massive mood swings and really didn't help enough with sleeping to counterbalance them.
I'm surprised you don't find the temazepam helpful though, it's usually quite good for sleeping. If I were you I would just tell him that's not working without mentioning any specific names of other drugs...that way it sounds innocent enough and you're still likely to be switched to something else.
 
Doctors are super funny over here about benzo's if I remember correctly your lucky enough to be living in France?
Im very lucky to be on temazepam, especially having 20mg when usually as far as I know they only give 10mg. I have quite a gaba tolerance from taking up to 12mg of clonazepam everyday on top of Pregabalin, Phenibut and other benzos for quite a while.

So me trying to actually use benzos for a prescribed reason is not working so well even though I have been well behaved with them.
 
I used to yeah, I moved to the UK a few months ago though. Although seeing as I go back to France regularly I still get a nice benzo script there haha (I use it responsibly though :p)
They hand benzo prescriptions out like candy over there.

But yeah I definitely feel you on that one, I have the same problem with my prescribed opiates. I go through my monthly prescription in about 3 days just because that's what I need to get the medical effects. Ah well.

Have you ever tried doxylamine? That's what I use for sleep and it does work quite well. I think you can probably get it OTC. But yeah, if I were you I'd just tell the doctor the temaz isn't working, and keep saying that until he prescribes something that does :) (you're only being honest after all)
 
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