Been gifted a authentic and wedinos tested Quualude from 1970s. What dose?

[4DQSAR]

BTW to be clear, I can only guess but I think the reason related compounds are misrepresented in Mandrax tablets is because the key precursor used in methaqualone synthesis is watched.

But the fact that Mandrax abuse has continued in South Africa for so long sort of suggests that if vaped, it produces and extremely potent but short-lived high. I suggest this is because like crack cocaine, it concentrates the drug in the brain very quickly but rapidly undergoes redistribution.

So it likely produces compulsive redosing.

But never lose sight of the fact that even the original research team tested hundreds of related compounds and went with the best - methaqualone. So unless you actually look at research that took place two decades later, nobody identified a 'better' alternative. Even the one example I explicitly named (HQ-355) isn't all that much more potent, is much harder to make and so is unlikely to turn up as an RC. Oh, and to top it all, it's an example of an 'island of activity' so if it were to be explicitly legally controlled, you can't then produce homologues.

So even IF I saw someone claiming to offer HQ-355, I would be dubious. Just as I was when I saw ligands being sold at a lower price than the presursors actually cost. So they now recognize that users don't really know what to expect so don't even know if something was misrepresented.

In short, we now have a market place with no robust review methodology, no instrumental analysis and no physical address, so if nothing else you can go in person to complain. In such a market place, Grisham's law isn't optional, it's inevitable. Mystery powders are incompatible with a long and healthy life.

 

[chippermonk]

They were supposedly Wedinos tested, but there are no recent tests for methaqualone.

They were probably cough drops.

I guarantee mine are real. I've had them since early 1980s. Rohrer 714. I just can't be bothered to take them

 

[4DQSAR]

I guarantee mine are real. I've had them since early 1980s. Rohrer 714. I just can't be bothered to take them

Rorer.

I have no reason to doubt you. But as I asked elsewhere, were people consuming methaqualone alone OR was it to offset the cocaine commonly used in those same scenes? Studio 54 was awash with both.

But empirical evidence shows us that smoking Mandrax is compulsive.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Why do you think it's never been even popular enough to make it to Erowid (apart from two accounts)?

French people 1960/ 70 don t post on internet. Especially in English. They love prescribing drugs. Why are there no report s on Methaqualone in Dutch.It was i assume prescription here to like Lemmon 714. But never read a native experience report on it.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

French people 1960/ 70 don t post on internet. Especially in English.

Nor do American, British, or other European people from the sixties and seventies. Albeit they might post in English. You'd have to be at least sixty-plus to have taken Mandrax legally in Europe. But we still have a full page of Erowid reports for methaqualone. Two for etaqualone. Two. Fucking two.

Give me an account in French. I'll translate it. But an awful lot of people in France speak fantastic English anyway. A lot of them post here. And Erowid.

Where are all the Chinese people (where it's still prescribed)?

 

[Bleaney]

YouTube? Okay. Trust that completely. Who's the poi guy? The poo guy?

All you have to do is search for Erowid and the substance in question and they're not taken down. They're just not available from the main menu.

Still three accounts in total.

EDIT: Two.

"Poi" is a content creator on youtube, his specialist subject is drugs. Most of his videos that I have seen so far have been excellent and high quality, mostly because of the extensive and thorough research that he does.*

As well as his implied personal experience. Sometimes openly admitted.

I know there's a lot of misinformation and plain lies and falsehoods on youtube, just as there is in the MSM. A lot of mindless dogshit too, just like the MSM.

But I don't think it would be fair to put a categorical dismissal on the whole of youtube, as if anything posted on there automatically cannot be trusted.

There's obviously lots of excellent, knowledgeable, well informed creators talking about their particular niches, to be found on there.

I get your point about the lack of reports on Etaqualone on Erowid. It is quite strange. Presumably it means that very few people actually tried the substance. If lots of people tried it, but thought it was shit, there would be lots of examples of people posting to say that. I can't be sure that my comment about many Erowid reports being deleted applies to the Etaqualone situation, so I guess I should abandon that as a discussion point.

There's lots of threads and posts about it on Reddit, and ' a big and dandy Etaqualone' thread here on bluelight, although that only got to 15 pages. So yeah, it does seem that it wasn't a major thing as far as Blueight members went.

(* If even remotely interested you could check out his video on Meth, which is his best video so far, imho.)

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

There's less ego in the 'MSM' (hate that initialism) outside of columns. Social media is nearly all ego.

YouTube? It's generally all about the 'content creator' / influencer / sociopath. All about self-validation. Even the ones that start off okay will turn as soon as they realise they've become relatively popular.

I could take Reddit until it became pretty similar; reposts of TikTok content and people posting videos of themselves doing mundane shit and seeking approval.

Nobody wants to see your face.

 

[Bleaney]

'MSM' (hate that initialism)

Eh? Who can be bothered to type out 'mainstream media' in full, when there's a perfectly good abbreviation for typing about it online?

Do you hate all initialisms, or just that one?

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Eh? Who can be bothered to type out 'mainstream media' in full, when there's a perfectly good abbreviation for typing about it online?

Do you hate all initialisms, or just that one?

It's nothing personal. That one's particularly galling, because it lumps in a lot of diverse sources into one homogeneous bogey man, and implies that the 'MSM' is propaganda for morons and 'non-mainstream media / alternative media' / whatever is for the cognoscenti.

To be honest, most people I've interacted with who follow that logic tend to demonstrate that if anything's true, it's the reverse.

I get bombarded with 'non MSM' shit from certain quarters, and it's generally 99.9% bullshit.

And the more shit you eat, the more shit the algorithms will feed you.

 

[4DQSAR]

Ah, I didn't know etaqualone was used clinically. Live and learn.

I tell you another odd one. In China dezocine is one of the most widely prescribed opioids for symptomatic treatment of moderate-to-severe pain.

If you ever read of any RC being compared to dezocine, chances are the 'report' is translated from the Chinese. As far as I know, only injectable formulations are available and Yangtze River Pharmaceutical Group is the sole producer. So what is being compared?

China seems to have one of the most dynamic drug markets in the world. Some years ago sublingual dihydroetorphine was prescribed but even though user reports suggest it to have been far less desirable then 'classic' opioids, it's prescribing still appears to have been halted. Or at least legislation severely restricts it's prescribing.

I guess if it stops someone rattling, it's inevitable that it will have a street value.

I still think the Dutch hit on a brilliantly simple way to prevent users from injecting pills. They make the pills BIG. A Dutch 5mg methadone tablet is about the size of a paracetamol.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Nor do American, British, or other European people from the sixties and seventies. Albeit they might post in English. You'd have to be at least sixty-plus to have taken Mandrax legally in Europe. But we still have a full page of Erowid reports for methaqualone. Two for etaqualone. Two. Fucking two.

Mine isn t on Erowid. It s not that good bit like N2O or Crack some refereed it to.
It s not a social downer or good sleep aid. Seem s exactly the same as vid s from South Africa s Mandrax. abuse. They pyrolyse some sort of weird bootleg talbet.

But they go out, twisting sometimes and reagain conciousness quick. Dangerous ROA. Never pushed the dose that far but it laid me flat with very little powder.
Outside on cold ground didn t mean shit felt great. Hedonistic.

Give me an account in French. I'll translate it. But an awful lot of people in France speak fantastic English anyway. A lot of them post here. And Erowid.

Couldn t find any they were prescribed there in the 60 ties. never found a Dutch report either on Qualudes. Any French Poiroit willing to do a investigation ?

Where are all the Chinese people (where it's still prescribed)?

Ethaqualone prescription in China we got someone from there on the site.
Got no need to check believe you. People deserve choice in downer s imo.
But if it is prescribed at least it will be known how dangerous that analogue is.

My guess as it is milder less potent then Metha- a bit safer. Orally.

Does make remind me how good it was. Sort of a craving. I d love to have one of those Lemmon s. The OP is sure gonna have a good time.

 

[chippermonk]

Rorer.

I have no reason to doubt you. But as I asked elsewhere, were people consuming methaqualone alone OR was it to offset the cocaine commonly used in those same scenes? Studio 54 was awash with both.

But empirical evidence shows us that smoking Mandrax is compulsive.

Honestly, I was never in a scene like that. Did very little coke and only did quaaludes a couple times, never together. I can imagine it was popular, though

 

[Bleaney]

There's less ego in the 'MSM' (hate that initialism) outside of columns. Social media is nearly all ego.

YouTube? It's generally all about the 'content creator' / influencer / sociopath. All about self-validation. Even the ones that start off okay will turn as soon as they realise they've become relatively popular.

I could take Reddit until it became pretty similar; reposts of TikTok content and people posting videos of themselves doing mundane shit and seeking approval.

Nobody wants to see your face.

All I can say is that it sounds like we're watching totally different videos and content creators, tbh.

I doubt that you're just watching the most popular or currently trending stuff, although that's what you'll get if you delete your history, and in effect disable the algorithm. But I guess they could be the type of content creators that you are referring to.

I tend to watch content related to my own particular niche interests. I do find some creators irritating, patronising, or obnoxious for various reasons, but it's easy enough to avoid them, and I've found no shortage of good quality content that is all about the content, and only minimally about the content creator.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

I still think that going to social media for your news is like visiting a homeopath for your cancer.

 

[Bleaney]

I know what you mean, there are plenty of low quality offerings. But some better ones too, for example, I tend to think that anything Andrew Marr appears on will tend to have credibility and integrity, due to the good reputation he has built and maintained.

"News" channels like GB News can often be embarrassingly bad, and so obviously biased, and Neil Oliver seemingly being given free reign to go as wild as he likes with his conspiracy theories.

There's usually one or 2 nuggets of piercing truth in one of his broadcasts, but then there's so much absolutely wild rhetoric that it cannot be taken seriously.

There's also a ton of anti Trump propaganda content creators, their blatant bias is unbearable really, and I cant watch them for more than a minute or 2.

Overall the quality control bar for "news" is set much lower on youtube, but there is still some OK stuff on there.

Tbh honest, I don't consume a great deal of news, as I find the preference for negative and depressing angles, and prolific scaremongering, mostly used by the major national TV stations, to be unbearable and bad for my state of mind and mood. Even though I can see right through it. Media scaremongering is a tactic that I thoroughly despise. It often does seem to be about creating fear among the population, and thus enabling greater control.

I switched off permanently when one BBC1 TV news article during Covid, lead with the headline 'How worried should we be about the latest strain of Covid?' It was an incredibly obvious and blatant attempt to set the agenda, and to ramp up fear, and to control how people thought about certain issues.

I find shite like that so transparent and patronising that it infuriates me. I've not watched a news broadcast from one of the major national TV channels since then. Apart from the run up to the most recent election in the USA, and some of the events since then. Or unless there's been some kind of natural disaster or something like that, which holds a morbid fascination for me.

 

[4DQSAR]

Never lose sight of the fact that most Youtube content is produced as part of a for-profit model. No community standard says it has to be true.

In fact, I'm far happier if someone openly says that they are sponsered so I can see the business model. But last year dozens of 'influencers' were found to have accepted large (tens of thousands of $ per episode) to discuss 'talking points' sent via burner E-mail addreses. It was Russian money. Now in that case, I suppose one may describe them as 'right leaning' but be under no illusion, I'm certain that whatever an 'influencers' politics, there will be some who are just as willing to talk on a subject for money. Never forget, the 'direct measures' (disinformation) unit of the FSB isn't trying to push a single false-narrative, the goal is to push so MANY narratives that viewers stop trusting all media sources.

By all means watch Youtube for fun, but they really can say more or less what they want with no fear of liability and if you cannot work out the business model, check.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Never lose sight of the fact that most Youtube content is produced as part of a for-profit model. No community standard says it has to be true.

In fact, I'm far happier if someone openly says that they are sponsered so I can see the business model. But last year dozens of 'influencers' were found to have accepted large (tens of thousands of $ per episode) to discuss 'talking points' sent via burner E-mail addreses. It was Russian money. Now in that case, I suppose one may describe them as 'right leaning' but be under no illusion, I'm certain that whatever an 'influencers' politics, there will be some who are just as willing to talk on a subject for money. Never forget, the 'direct measures' (disinformation) unit of the FSB isn't trying to push a single false-narrative, the goal is to push so MANY narratives that viewers stop trusting all media sources.

By all means watch Youtube for fun, but they really can say more or less what they want with no fear of liability and if you cannot work out the business model, check.

Great post.

 

[Bleaney]

Has anyone tried sublingual dosing of the 330mg 2-Methoxyqualone "Quaalude" pills that hit the market recently?

It seems that they are being mis-advertised as Quaaludes by every vendor selling them, even though technically they aren't Quaaludes at all. But the mis-naming of them is resulting in reports of people trying to smoke or vape them, and it is not working, and I dread to think of what it's doing to their poor lungs.

I gather that this substance is more closely related to Etaqualone than actual Quaaludes, from what I understand of the Wikipedia article. And in my experience, sublingual dosing of Etaqualone was way more effective. Smaller sublingual doses had much greater effects than larger oral doses. The s/l bio-availaibilty must have been a lot higher. So it was a lot more bang for your buck.

So given that they are related, I imagine that the same might apply to these new pills. But of course you've got to be a bit careful with downers, and I was wondering if anyone else has tried sublingual, and what dose they used, and if it worked?

My order has finally arrived and I only have 3 pills at this stage. So I don't want to waste anything on futile experiments if I can help it. Oral dosing does seem a safe bet from reports found elsewhere online, and the reports have been generally favourable.. I'll possibly try an oral dose first, and then maybe try half a pill sublingually later, or on another occasion, and then wait a couple of hours to gauge the effects, and then take the other half if necessary. The duration is said to be long. Eight hours or so. Which is massively longer than the duration of etaqualone. The consensus so far seems to be that this 'new kid on the block' is a lot better than etaqualone, and much more comparable to the OG Methaqualone.

Just wondering if anyone else has tried these, and what their impressions were, and specifically if anyone agrees with me re sublingual dosing, or if they have tried it.

I absolutely will not be attempting to smoke or vape these

 

[4DQSAR]

Etaqualone appears to demonstrate wide variability between individuals. I know it did absolutely sod all for me and as you know, I DO damand the instrumental data so I have every reason to believe it was as stated. Others said it worked but I vaped a gram and NOTHING.

That extra lone-pairs of the O will increase MP but I think the more important thing to know is if you have the freebase or an addition salt. Both were used medically and I really have no idea how etaqualone is presented in China.

 

[Bleaney]

Sorry, what is O and MP?

Can it be presumed from the reports that these pills will not smoke or vape effectively, (rather they just seem to burn and create smoke that has no effect,) that they are not freebase, and must therefor be an addition salt?

Remembering that this is not Etaqualone, but 2-Methoxyqualone.