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Balls of Steel - Talking openly about drug use (esp. heroin)

I honestly can't think of a situation I'd choose alcohol to use if there were alternatives available that were equally socially acceptable. I don't think it is a particularly good social lubricant. It's just the only drug most people are comfortable taking.
 
Each to their own n everything. couldnt agree more, out of other alternatives its the last thing id choose. But i love mixing it with stuff. adds a dynamic if done right
 
Shambles said:
I honestly can't think of a situation I'd choose alcohol to use if there were alternatives available that were equally socially acceptable. I don't think it is a particularly good social lubricant. It's just the only drug most people are comfortable taking.
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I am very uncomfortable around Alcohol , since my amazing almost overnight conversion in to a non Drinker i find Alchol a very awkward social load of wank toss. So much so i can't spell it
 
mydrugbuddy said:
lol, dont forget covering the pavements with vomit and pissing on alley walls, and smashing someomes head against a kebab takeout window, and thats just the girls.
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What if as many people in the UK took gear or crack instead of booze? Like the majority of the UK, I am sure it would be a much nicer place. Every drug has there scapegoats, maybe im just young, or ive never tried gear, but if i had to keep any.. it would be the booze.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
I agree with most of what you say but not the last bit. Junkie shame doesn't come from within, there is very little such thing as original thought, but from society itself. What term do we use for someone giving up heroin use?

"Getting clean"

The implication being that heroin use is dirty and shameful.

Individuals are moulded in their beliefs by society and its structures, some of them going back thousands of years (Christianity). As nice as it would be to think all drug users suddenly had a mass moment of epiphany (and look at how that word has been taken by religion), a moment of true consciousness, I think that's unrealistic. Far more likely will be a day when society decides drugs and addiction are economically viable. They already do it with some addictions. They just label them differently. Materialism for example. Then you'll see the goalposts moved and language and opinion will adapt/evolve accordingly.
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I would love to agree with you because it's a pretty positive outlook but the associations involved with something like materialism, are in exactly the opposite direction as the associations society makes with drug addictions and 'junkiedom'.

Materialism is associated with positives (mainly by society, and is something that's coveted, and not really recognised as an addiction, but a way of life), addiction to drugs doesn't have the same appeal, and is associated with a threat to stability, and even worse, crime. That leaves some pretty massive hurdles to jump through to get there. With the current incompetence of politics and government, who's gonna drive the attitude towards exceptance, what's the motivation of any government to focus on the economic viability of something theyve shunned for forever, and as such is only associated with huge negative impacts to society.
 
Mendo_K said:
What if as many people in the UK took gear or crack instead of booze? Like the majority of the UK, I am sure it would be a much nicer place. Every drug has there scapegoats, maybe im just young, or ive never tried gear, but if i had to keep any.. it would be the booze.
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Im not sure if that would be an improvement, given how addictive and dangerous heroin in particular can potentially be, expensive too, and if people get addicted and cannot finance their addictions it can create crime problems. Maybe cannabis would be a safer bet, people are generally more chilled out and far less inclined to be aggressive after a few tokes, or maybe it attracts more chilled out and less aggressive people i dunno.
 
If the majority of the people in the UK took smack I'd be happy.

Crack, not so much. Though many people seem to be able to smoke it occasionally and do alright.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Im not sure if that would be an improvement, given how addictive and dangerous each substance can potentially be, expensive too, and if people get addicted and cannot finance their addictions it can create problems.
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But if the majority of the country took smack, it'd be legal. That would change everything.
 
Most heroin ODs are due to the variable strength of street gear.

People tend to find their level with heroin. It's not a drug that really encourages you to redose before a shot's worn off. Or if you're smoking, that's pretty self-limiting. Not always, but 99% of the time.

Sex would probably go out of the window, yeah. But it'd be nice to curb the birth rate while we're at it.
 
In my eyes the NHS should just hand out valium and smack to everyone who is ill. Nobody would care they are ill. Save us a lot of money!

Small State and all that! FUCK THE PROLETARIAT
 
I know too many people with crippling benzo addictions who have never been prescribed them in their life to tell me this would be a terrible idea. I have one friend who has never seen his daughter overseas because he isn't able to travel away from his source.
 
wcote said:
In my eyes the NHS should just hand out valium and smack to everyone who is ill. Nobody would care they are ill. Save us a lot of money!

Small State and all that! FUCK THE PROLETARIAT
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This has happened in the past with Heroin with remarkable success. Until the inevitable happened....

In Liverpool, during the early 1990s, Dr John Marks used a special Home Office licence to prescribe heroin to addicts. Police reported a 96% reduction in acquisitive crime among a group of addict patients. Deaths from locally acquired HIV infection and drug-related overdoses fell to zero. But, under intense pressure from the government, the project was closed down. In its 10 years' work, not one of its patients had died. In the first two years after it was closed, 41 died.
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Make Heroin Legal - Nick Davies, June 2001

I recommend that everyone should read that article actually, it's very insightful. Reckon I should post it in the Media forum or not considering it's old news?
 
Nick Davis is Britain's greatest journalist. When you read his pieces they are so well put together, so much passion so descriptive. He puts himself out their as well, he doesn't just write opinion pieces. He goes to crack dens to get a sense of what that life is like, he talks to real people. So many so called journalists just say their opinion on a matter generally with no real knowledge.

I highly recommend his pieces on drug use and child abuse. His writing on child abuse is horrendous but it shows you just how involved in gets, more than just saying 'raping children is bad'

http://www.nickdavies.net/
 
It's incredible and also very sad considering what happened to it. Makes me sick to my stomach thinking about the untold horror and misery that's being caused by the war on drugs....

Nick Davies is an amazing journalist. I believe it was him who broke the Rupert Murdock / Phone hacking scandal. You can read all of his pieces regarding drugs on his website....

>> http://www.nickdavies.net/category/drugs/

edit: sorry wcote your reply wasn't there when I started writing mine.
 
I bookmarked that site for future perusal (if I ever get around to said perusal - am a bugger for bookmarking everything of interest then never actually checking it :o) but two recommendations in as many posts is impressive.
 
I agree with the people I usually agree with. =D

DieselEstate said:
What really amazes me is, how bloody openly you all discuss dope so. Frankly, I'm frightened for some of you. Is there no longer such a thing as (please pardon the Americanism here) plausible deniability?
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So in terms of the legal issues that the OP seems concerned with, is possession (not sale) of heroin generally dealt with any more severely than other class A stuffs?
 
Class A is Class A. There shouldn't be a policy of dealing with heroin possession more harshly than, say, cocaine possession. I only know what myself, friends and acquaintances have been arrested for and I don't really know anybody who's been arrested for simple possession of the more party-type Class A's to compare. It's always been a (fairly small) fine for myself and folk I know done for possession of heroin and/or coke/crack unless they've a record as long as a particularly long arm. It will surely depend on prior convictions and stuff, I'd think.
 
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