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Balls of Steel - Talking openly about drug use (esp. heroin)

DieselEstate

DieselEstate

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I read a lot of postings in this thread with increasing shock. What really amazes me is, how bloody openly you all discuss dope so. Frankly, I'm frightened for some of you. Is there no longer such a thing as (please pardon the Americanism here) plausible deniability? I'm Interested and curious - honestly, not at all preachy or disapproving. Personally, I just wouldn't dare unless it was face to face!
 
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^ Drugs and drug use is spoken of openly here because this is a Harm Reduction forum and it's kinda hard to try to reduce the harm from drug use if people are too scared to talk about drugs. As for "plausible deniability," since when was it illegal to talk about drugs and drug use? The forum rules are very clear about what is and what isn't allowed: trying to use BL to buy or sell drugs is totally verboten, but talking about them is rather the point of the site. That and there is no real legal problem in simply saying things. Obviously it's up to the individual members' when it comes to legal matters so it's entirely up to you as to what you feel comfortable talking about. If a person posts about there being a particularly strong batch of heroin in their area that's good HR info that could save live and is in no way illegal to be mentioning. If a person then goes on to say that it is so good they bought a kilo and have it stashed under their bed for a rainy day that would be self-incriminating (not to mention bloody stupid) and would actually be against the BLUA. It's mostly just common sense really.
 
Shambles said:
. If a person then goes on to say that it is so good they bought a kilo and have it stashed under their bed for a rainy day that would be self-incriminating (not to mention bloody stupid and most likely not last more than a few weeks) and would actually be against the BLUA. It's mostly just common sense really.
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its odd that on a drug site people still feel its taboo to talk about scag and should be rarely discussed when so many people have a genuine addiction they need help with and others are happy to go on about their meph/booze/coke/speed/benzo addictions aslong as it isnt heroin

(im not wanting to point the finger at anyone but i feel its posts like dieselestate's there that make me feel terrible about seeking help online for an addiction and getting help i may not get anywhere else from people who have been there and done it)
 
I agree, Matt. Was a long time before heroin use and addiction was openly discussed even in EADD. I remember when I first joined it was basically only me and Brimz that ever spoke about it - and only Brimz who spoke of ongoing use. Was a good few years before we even had a dedicated heroin thread, actually, and I remember getting grief from people for even talking about heroin sometimes. It's great to see that there's more openness now cos if any drug/lifestyle could do with a goodly injection (see what I did there? :D) of HR info and support it's heroin.
 
Excuse Me

Apologies for The Last Post: Pastry forks etc. I use a smartphone for internet access. The version of Bluelight I get will not show me the current postings until I Reply To Thread. So I did. I just happened to be gazing at a pastry fork when I did.

I never want to go to jail, whatever the reason.


In addressing a couple of replies posted after my initial outing in this thread: I feel some people (I genuinely don't point fingers) may have got the wrong end of the stick. What I was expressing was my amazement at open talk of specific illegal drug use in relation to our ongoing betrayal by our government to the NSA; our own agencies set up to trawl the internet citing "security" concerns. I thought that was obvious, but with hindsight, I see I should've been a little more expansive.
I think Harm Reduction is the best thing since sliced bread. I've looked at other sites which use (S)omeone (W)ho (I)sn't (M)e as a mandatory (I think) acronym when describing/detailing/querying drug use so, I was astounded there was nothing of the kind here. I apologise to anyone whose sense of naked freedom I may have offended. That really wasn't my intention. I've tried to log in using Orbot & Orweb but, for reasons best known to themselves, the owners/administrators of this website will not allow its users the anonymous protection that Tor affords. Come to think of it. Maybe that theory about Bluelight having been set up by police to find more information about drugs and their users is true. Yeah. On second thoughts, I think I'll log off now.
 
DieselEstate said:
I read a lot of postings in this thread with increasing shock. What really amazes me is, how bloody openly you all discuss dope so. Frankly, I'm frightened for some of you. Is there no longer such a thing as (please pardon the Americanism here) plausible deniability? I'm Interested and curious - honestly, not at all preachy or disapproving. Personally, I just wouldn't dare unless it was face to face!
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Diesel. I think most Heroin users who join Bluelight are initially reluctant to talk completely openly but after a while they have no problem with it. This is my take on it anyway.
When you think about it, I doubt the NSA or in our case the DS (Drug squad) of the GARDAI :\ really give a shit about us.
I'm sure they have more important things to do. Dealing is not really talked about on BL. At most, It's just a bunch of users talking about what the gear is like in their area.
Just my 2 cents!
 
I agree BC007 and Shammy, it's up the the individual user as to how much they want to incriminate themselves. Most if the time it is people just informing of the quality of gear in a particular area, nothing wrong there, as has been stated if anything it could save lives.

Also I'm pretty sure that the people policing drugs are more interested in bigger busts and catching the people selling the stuff. I'm in no doubt that law enforcement all over the world are aware of this site and they probably monitor it daily but that goes back to previous points that it really depends on how much people want to incriminate themselves.

Sourcing is banned on this site and for good reason.

I remember when I first joined the site I was just using party drugs like coke and pills but tried other things and occasionally will use a bit of heroin now. There was a stigma, even on this site, about people taking heroin. As Shambles said it was only really him and Brimz that spoke about it openly. Then if I remember right. Evad, myself and Cbroxide started to talk about it a bit and I remember reading a post from someone that they couldn't believe that I took it! Why not? It's a drug forum!!!! I think the big break through that got this site away from the taboo was the drought a few years back where people wer coming out of nowhere just to talk because they couldn't score and were going into withdrawal. I'm sure that many of these people wee scowling the internet trying to score but when they came across this place with its strict policy I think that a good, strong and growing community was born where people can come and talk about the hight, lows and everything I between of heroin use and addiction.
 
DieselEstate said:
I read a lot of postings in this thread with increasing shock. What really amazes me is, how bloody openly you all discuss dope so. Frankly, I'm frightened for some of you. Is there no longer such a thing as (please pardon the Americanism here) plausible deniability? I'm Interested and curious - honestly, not at all preachy or disapproving. Personally, I just wouldn't dare unless it was face to face!
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Very odd.
 
yeah seeing as i am getting a few mentions in this thread , Thanks for all the positive ones folks . Thought i might say a little something .

When i joined BL & began posting in EADD i thought it was very important that people knew i was a Long Term Heroin addict as it plays a huge part in who i am , what i do and have done both good & not so good but all character building so fuk iot.

I f i hadn't been so brutally honest right from day one then it would have put me in a difficult position further down the road , as it would become obvious that yes i use Opiates all the time & continue to
 
im sure this is not his/her intention but the OP has made me feel a tad 'scummy' for lack of a better word for posting about heroin and my general problem with it, yea sure its no simple spliff or mdma pill but i dont think i should feel this way about it, especially on a HR drug forum, im not proud but im not hidden either, yet this kinda post makes me feel like some of EADD may look down on those with more serious problems (which i sure as hell hope no-one does, dont be so close minded if so :| )

just me?
 
It shouldnt be tabboo. the media has got everybodys head twisted
 
matt<3ketamine said:
im sure this is not his/her intention but the OP has made me feel a tad 'scummy' for lack of a better word for posting about heroin and my general problem with it, yea sure its no simple spliff or mdma pill but i dont think i should feel this way about it, especially on a HR drug forum, im not proud but im not hidden either, yet this kinda post makes me feel like some of EADD may look down on those with more serious problems (which i sure as hell hope no-one does, dont be so close minded if so :| )

just me?
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Don'tlet the OP or any one 4 that matter feel like that Matt you are a top poster n one of the real good guys around here .
 
matt<3ketamine said:
im sure this is not his/her intention but the OP has made me feel a tad 'scummy' for lack of a better word for posting about heroin and my general problem with it, yea sure its no simple spliff or mdma pill but i dont think i should feel this way about it, especially on a HR drug forum, im not proud but im not hidden either, yet this kinda post makes me feel like some of EADD may look down on those with more serious problems (which i sure as hell hope no-one does, dont be so close minded if so :| )

just me?
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I think the poster was only going after the legal side of it all
 
If you walked up to a copper and told him you took every drug under the sun last night he might pat you on the back and say "did ye, aye?", not sure really what can come of it. As already said, talking about drugs and openly dealing/admitting possession of large quantities is completely different.

Still baffles me why other drug forums use SWIM like its some sort of get out of jail card, but sir I said it wasn't me!
 
Not to mention it is fukin annoying . I have tried reading posts from said forum & the content may indeed be what i want but the amountin of swimming that goes on has me drowned b4 i get the info i need .
 
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