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Balls of Steel - Talking openly about drug use (esp. heroin)

Do they still swim over at drug-forum (which is the site i presume y'all're referring to cos it was traditionally utterly unreadable - you could ruin a keyboard just with a quick looksee from all the splashback :D)? Last I looked (a very rare event) they'd changed to a really strict no SWIMming policy. Still don't like the atmosphere over there though so hardly ever bother to check it unless there's little or no info anywhere else about whatever it is I'm looking up.
 
yes matt, indeed it was coming here that enabled me to embrace my heroin use and not feel like the scum of the earth for doing so. It really has helped me to lose the shame and feel better about myself and walk with my head held high. I'm not proud of my habit, I just accept it. as brimzicle says too, it's part of the character building. I try to get my bro and sis to see me as a person and not just a bag head. It doesn't help when you feel the shame. tis just one of those things.
 
I was always quite big on the whole "Junkie Pride" thing. Well, not pride as such, more just not shame. Addiction is a complex issue and is certainly nothing to be ashamed of. Nothing to be proud of either but nobody should be judged for what is ultimately a medical-cum-social (fnarr) problem. Probably more than just medical and social but those are the two aspects which leap to mind quickest.

Some of the things that people may do either to feed and fund their addiction - and perhaps things done under the influence - probably are rightfully shameful. I know plenty of my past (and no doubt present) actions certainly have been. But the basic fact of addiction - whether it be heroin or anything else - is most certainly not a shameful thing. And one day I'd hope society has reached a stage where it realises and accepts this. It likely has to start with the individual realising and accepting this though.
 
I find peoples' open discussion about drugs on here, and especially heroin quite refreshing tbh. I don't use it myself but have always argued with people who condemn those who do. It seems like even within the "drug community" those who do use it are condemned and seen as different, even though some of those judgemental types are engaging in risky behaviour and smashing all sorts of substances in quantity.

It also seems like others are very quick to look at someone and judge them as being a "smackhead" because of their appearance. I often have to tell people that people who look that way might be using heroin, or could easily be alcoholics, speed freaks etc. A haggard appearance comes from lack of nutrition, sleep, and also in a lot of occasions being at the bottom of the economic ladder.... not from drug use in particular, maybe not from drug use at all.

Personally my own drug use has made me paranoid at times in regard to my own freedom, but on the other hand it's something I feel like I can't help. Being paranoid on top of the other issues I have feels like adding insult to injury and it's much easier to accept what I am then completely change the environment I live in. I had no choice in the matter when the powers that be decided the drug war was a good thing so I feel that it isn't justifiable that I should let it impact me any more negatively than it does as standard. I'd much rather not be this way and be able to function on a day to day basis without temptation or something to help take the edge off, and that is a goal I feel I'm successfully working towards, but on the other hand I refuse to feel ashamed over something I feel I don't have control over.
 
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I was always quite big on the whole "Junkie Pride" thing. Well, not pride as such, more just not shame. Addiction is a complex issue and is certainly nothing to be ashamed of. Nothing to be proud of either but nobody should be judged for what is ultimately a medical-cum-social (fnarr) problem. Probably more than just medical and social but those are the two aspects which leap to mind quickest.

Some of the things that people may do either to feed and fund their addiction - and perhaps things done under the influence - probably are rightfully shameful. I know plenty of my past (and no doubt present) actions certainly have been. But the basic fact of addiction - whether it be heroin or anything else - is most certainly not a shameful thing. And one day I'd hope society has reached a stage where it realises and accepts this. It likely has to start with the individual realising and accepting this though.

I agree with most of what you say but not the last bit. Junkie shame doesn't come from within, there is very little such thing as original thought, but from society itself. What term do we use for someone giving up heroin use?

"Getting clean"

The implication being that heroin use is dirty and shameful.

Individuals are moulded in their beliefs by society and its structures, some of them going back thousands of years (Christianity). As nice as it would be to think all drug users suddenly had a mass moment of epiphany (and look at how that word has been taken by religion), a moment of true consciousness, I think that's unrealistic. Far more likely will be a day when society decides drugs and addiction are economically viable. They already do it with some addictions. They just label them differently. Materialism for example. Then you'll see the goalposts moved and language and opinion will adapt/evolve accordingly.
 
Diesel, i dont think just posting words on an internet forum is proof of anything. Anyone could be a complulsive bullshitter or liar, or misguidedly trying to impress people by lying, i could say "ive got 20 kg of pure cocaine in the boot of my car" but no one would believe me, except possibly LE who dont know me

(*waits for the sound of sirens. Coppers, i havent got ANY cocaine, and the last of my tiny ammount of remaining bupe is getting flushed any minute now)
 
I agree with most of what you say but not the last bit. Junkie shame doesn't come from within, there is very little such thing as original thought, but from society itself. What term do we use for someone giving up heroin use?

"Getting clean"

The implication being that heroin use is dirty and shameful.

Yup. That's been a particular hobby horse of mine for years - long before I had ever even been near the intrawebz let alone found this place. And I tend to agree with your more realistic assessment - I'm very much a broad brushstroke idealist type really. I don't do practicalities and realities so well ;)

I'm sure you're correct that the shame so many addicts feel is really what has been foisted on them by society - the kinda attitudes we all grow up seeing and hearing. It's no real surprise that so many internalise all that shit and really believe they are the scum they "should" be.
 
If you're posting about dealing large quantities with frequency and of your large stash in a location, you'll be in the cells in a few days.
If you're posting about taking personal amounts of opiates and asking for support during WD, I sincerely doubt anyone would care.
 
If you're posting about dealing large quantities with frequency and of your large stash in a location, you'll be in the cells in a few days.

You'll also rack up enough infractions to be off of BL for more than a few days - talking about current dealing, or even just about having large quantities of drugs in your possession, is against the BLUA.

But the underlying point is true enough. It's common sense really.
 
Well I don't tell my family that I'm still using of sorts (chipping) but its not because I'm ashamed of myself. But because it makes my life easier not to. My missues knows I do, but turns a blind eye.

I think I used to be, only for w few months when I went melodramatic on here. But apart from that I use heroin and just get on with life. So those times other people would drink I use heroin. Its all good.

After all booze is a filthy. Yet socially acceptable.
 
Yep the social acceptance of such a messy dirty drug is crazy. brainwashing. i love booze but its also really shite
 
If I had to choose to permanently destroy every [recreational] drug in the world but one then I'd choose to rescue alcohol.
 
I kinda think i would as well. lots of stuff are so much better though. but trusty old booze is useful and nice most of the time. some people cant handle the stuff though. actually i aint sure what id rescue. if pre ban meph wasnt such a comedown shitter itd be that. if mdma didnt give brain zaps after abuse then maybe that. or speed which gives me no comedown or nothing
 
Mmm... alcohol as social lubricant. Nothing more social than shitting in gutters and stabbing folk of a Friday - it's a fine British tradition innit.

Taking it to one extreme yeah, but there's also having a few drinks during a meal, going to the pub, holidays, events etc.
 
Mmm... alcohol as social lubricant. Nothing more social than shitting in gutters and stabbing folk of a Friday - it's a fine British tradition innit.

innit m8

Depends how people handle it. it can be a very useful social lubircant tool, abused and its such a messy load of shite. dunno why i abused it through my teens. finding decent drugs awoken me
 
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