Arrests after teenage M-CAT users die in Lincolnshire (UK)

I've still never seen any mention of the reason for their arrests. As long as Meph stays legal, I'm sure they could end up suing the force for wrongful arrest, unless they've slapped an accusation of involuntary manslaughter against these guys...
 
I have to say though, after taking mephedrone i do feel shit (similar to my one time experience on mdma) for a number of days afterwards. Well that was my experience after doing over a gram the other night with a load of alcohol too. I don't feel terrible, just a bit edgy and forgetful i guess. Not something i plan on doing for a long while tbh. I would be very surprised though if mephedrone actually killed these folks. I think the key with mephedrone is the dose. I mean when you start taking over a gram, thats when you start feeling your heart go crazy, and you start turning into a zombie craving more and more....
 
Briefing: Should miaow-miaow be banned?

[size=+1]Briefing: Should miaow-miaow be banned?[/size]
Updated 15:43 18 March 2010 by Nic Fleming


The "legal high" mephedrone – also known as M-Cat, plant food, and miaow miaow – is getting a lot of attention because a series of deaths have been linked to the drug. Most recently, two teenaged men in the UK died after taking it on Sunday night, although the results of medical tests to determine the causes of their deaths will not be known for several weeks.

It has become the fourth most popular drug in the UK behind cannabis, ecstasy and cocaine over the past year. The British government's official drug advisers are expected to recommend that it be banned, but some drugs policy experts say criminalisation could do more harm than good. Now New Scientist cuts through the hype.

What is mephedrone?
The leaves of the khat plant, Catha edulis, are chewed for the stimulant, amphetamine-like properties of its active ingredients cathinone and cathine, mostly in east Africa and in migrant groups elsewhere. Mephedrone – more properly 4-methylmethcathinone – is the best known of a family of synthetic or substituted cathinones. It is commonly sold as a white powder or in capsules and is usually snorted or swallowed.

Where does it come from?
The vast majority is produced by Chinese chemical companies, which sell it for around £4,000 a kilogram, mostly to European dealers who sell it online for £10 to £15 per gram or less for larger quantities.

What are its effects?
There has been very little peer-reviewed research. Users who have posted their experiences online or taken part in surveys describe the effects as similar to those of taking amphetamine or ecstasy. They include euphoria, increased energy levels, alertness, sociability, jaw grinding, blurred and twitchy vision, pupil dilation, excessive perspiration and increased heart rate and sex drive. Some users have reported re-dosing compulsively. Even less is known about the effects of combining mephedrone with alcohol and/or other drugs.

Can it kill you?
Yesterday, it was confirmed that mephedrone poisoning killed John Sterling Smith, a 46-year-old man who died in the UK last month. His death is considered to be the first in the world that can definitely be blamed on mephedrone: several other suspected cases in the UK and elsewhere have turned out not to have been caused by mephedrone – or are still unconfirmed.

Gabrielle Price, 14, from Worthing in the UK, died in November after taking the drug at a party. Journalists are still saying her death was linked to the drug despite the publication of a medical tests showing she died of a "cardiac arrest following broncho-pneumonia which resulted from streptococcal A infection". Other reports of fatalities have turned out to be similarly unfounded.

Fiona Measham at Lancaster University, UK, a member of the committee that is advising the British government on whether to ban cathinones, says deaths caused by the drug are "inevitable" if it triggers heart palpitations, as reported, and because of the similarities of side effects to other stimulants that can be fatal.

Where is it used?
Significant use has been reported in Sweden, Finland, Israel, the UK, Ireland and Australia. Discussions about it first appeared on internet forums in 2007, and French police identified it in a pill in May that year. It has been banned in Israel, Sweden, Finland, Germany, the Netherlands and Germany.

What about in the US?
Hardly any use of mephedrone has been reported in the US, but under the US Controlled Substances Act, its chemical similarity to MDMA mean that it is considered to be a banned substance.

Should it be banned elsewhere?
A tricky one. Young people may be encouraged to take mephedrone because it is legal. On the other hand, making it illegal would hand the trade to organised crime, drive users to crime to pay the higher prices that would result, turn others back to existing illegal drugs and create a market for the next generation of legal highs.


Link: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18672-briefing-should-miaowmiaow-be-banned.html
 
Just had a look myself - there are some interesting comments on there and as wrongun said some idiots also!!:(
 
And we all know how Alan Johnson deals with recommendations from the ACMD...

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That's how ;)
 
Argh the media circus is coming to town on this by the looks of it. Well it was fun while it lasted back on cocaine me thinks.
 
Statement by Professor David Nutt on calls to ban mephedrone 17 March 2010

[size=+1]Statement by Professor David Nutt on calls to ban mephedrone 17 March 2010[/size]

Responding to calls by the National Association of Headteachers for mephedrone to be banned, Professor David Nutt, chair of the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs (ISCD) said:

'I support the Home Secretary's position that a rush into classifying mephedrone is premature. Such decisions need to be based on sound science. Some previously reported mephedrone deaths have also turned out to be false alarms.

'The use of mephedrone has increased due to its availability and current legal status. This means that users do not run the risk of criminal convictions, whose impact could be much more damaging than the effects of the drug itself.

'The ISCD takes seriously the potential risks of mephedrone use. It is discussing this matter at its meeting on April 23. It is also liaising closely with the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (EMCDDA), which is currently reviewing the situation across the continent and will report in July.'

More information:

Office of the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs 020 7848 7328

[email protected]

Notes to editors

1. Mephedrone is a short acting stimulant with effects similar to amphetamine and BZP though less well studied than these older drugs. There was widespread use in Israel earlier in the decade but little evidence of immediate or enduring harm though high doses are potentially dangerous especially if used with other drugs and alcohol.

2. The Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs was founded by Professor David Nutt to objectively review and investigate the scientific evidence of drug harms free from political concerns. All too often, crucial information on the effects of drugs is buried away in arcane scientific journals and the debates of expert groups. The Committee will provide accessible information on drugs to the wider public and engage in an ongoing dialogue. The web address for the Committee is www.drugscience.org.uk and will be live by 1 April 2010.


Link: http://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/iscd_mephedrone.html
 
Mephedrone: the class D solution

[size=+1]Mephedrone: the class D solution[/size]
The urge to criminalise 'legal highs' is understandable – but could lead to even more dangerous experimentation


The deaths of two young men in Scunthorpe last Monday that have been linked to the new "legal high" mephedrone (colloquially known as plant food, meow meow, m-cat, or bubbles) has raised a great deal of public concern and loud calls for it to be made illegal. I support the government's position that to rush into controlling mephedrone is premature, as previous claims of fatalities from this drug have turned out to be false alarms. To make it illegal without proper evidence of harm would be wrong and might have unwanted consequences, such as a switch to more dangerous drugs or alcohol. The European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction is reviewing the situation and will report in July.

The threat of new drugs being available via the internet emerged in Brain Science, Addiction and Drugs, the 2005 review from Foresight, the government's future thinktank. Recent years have seen the development of GBL, spice, BZP and now mephedrone, a short-acting stimulant with effects similar to amphetamine, though it is less well studied. There was widespread use in Israel earlier in the decade but little evidence of immediate or enduring harm, though high doses are potentially dangerous especially if used with other drugs and alcohol.

Its use has increased greatly due to growing availability, and a legal status that means users do not run the risk of criminal convictions. Criminalisation would allow police and customs officers to act on dealers though this will not be easy, and the risk is that young users will be an easier enforcement target. Moreover there is the likelihood that new legal drugs will emerge to fill the void, just as mephedrone has with BZP, and that these may be more harmful.

What are the alternatives? One approach would be a new class in the Misuse of Drugs Act – the class D model, adopted in New Zealand to deal with BZP. This is a holding category where drugs can be put before they are well understood: sales are limited to over-18s; the product is quality-controlled so users know what they are getting, at doses limited as far as possible to safe levels; and it comes with health education messages. Society can limit sales and collect data on use.

Manufacturers and shops that disobey these regulations are punished, and the young are protected, but not criminalised. Last summer the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, when under my chairmanship, suggested this approach in response to the growing use of spice and BZP. It was rejected, they were both made class C, and possibly as a consequence young people began to turn to mephedrone.

Another approach that should seriously be considered is to make available testing facilities so that people can check what they have brought and so ensure as far as possible that they use appropriate doses and apply the best safety approaches. Testing is used in the Netherlands and some Australian states, with seeming value in harm reduction.

The third is education: drugs are rarely intrinsically harmful if used in a safe way. Many young people use the most popular legal high – alcohol – in a highly dangerous fashion. Recent deaths from legal highs, particularly those of Hester Stewart and the Scunthorpe pair, occurred in the context of heavy drinking. Alcohol dissolves judgment of harms and encourages risky behaviours including drug taking. Some drugs interact with alcohol to form more dangerous substances – for example, cocaine is converted to cocaethylene, which is more toxic to the heart.

Finally we need to understand the reasons why young people are so interested in highs – legal or otherwise. Addressing the cause of drug use might help us better reduce its harms.


David Nutt
guardian.co.uk
Wednesday 17 March 2010 18.30 GMT

Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/17/mephedrone-class-d-solution-criminalise
 
Police issue mephedrone warning

[size=+1]Police issue mephedrone warning[/size]

People in Leeds are being warned that they risk being arrested if they carry the legal drug mephedrone.


Police said those found with the drug, which usually comes in a powder form, risked being arrested on suspicion of possessing a Class A drug.

The move comes after Louis Wainwright, 18, and Nicholas Smith, 19, died in Scunthorpe after taking mephedrone.

West Yorkshire Police have also written to pubs and clubs in Leeds asking them to confiscate suspicious substances.

The force's Ch Insp Vernon Francis said: "The tragic events in Scunthorpe should serve as a major wake-up call to anyone who is using mephedrone.

"It is extremely dangerous and those who use it are not just risking becoming ill, they are risking their lives.

"Anyone found in possession of what looks like an illegal substance will be arrested and brought into custody until that substance can be tested."

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/8574257.stm

Published: 2010/03/18 13:30:30 GMT

© BBC MMX
 
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That isn't a warning, that's a threat.

Besides, since when is it the police's job to look after people and stop them "becoming ill" or "risking their lives"?

I actually looked this up... no laughing please...

"The purpose of the police service is to uphold the law fairly and firmly; to prevent crime; to pursue and bring to justice those who break the law; to keep the Queen’s peace; to protect, help and reassure the community; and to be seen to do this with integrity, common sense and sound judgement."
 
New Scientist said:
What about in the US?
Hardly any use of mephedrone has been reported in the US, but under the US Controlled Substances Act, its chemical similarity to MDMA mean that it is considered to be a banned substance.

um...
 
Well its national news now here in the US now. I just heard them talking about this (the mephedrone ban in the UK) on NPR (radio) yesterday on my way to class.
 
I've still never seen any mention of the reason for their arrests. As long as Meph stays legal, I'm sure they could end up suing the force for wrongful arrest, unless they've slapped an accusation of involuntary manslaughter against these guys...

there is not a hope in hell of them winning a case of wrongful arrest, the police could hit them with a whole load of charges regardless of the legal status of mephedrone. the police would claim that there was sufficient evidence to justify arrest whether or not they get charged.
 
^ from what people have said in previous posts, it seems like they intentionally did methadone on the come down from meph after a night of heavy drinking. My money is on them overdosing on methadone as a result of being too fucked/ clueless about doses, which also explains why they died at roughly the same time.
 
^ from what people have said in previous posts, it seems like they intentionally did methadone on the come down from meph after a night of heavy drinking.

It certainly sounds like it...it is a tragedy but with all due respect to their friends and family I am astounded that they would do methadone after a night on meph and alcohol 8o
 
and some twat on itv said we shouldnt ban it ,just educate young children of the dangers.mmmmmmm well then lets just legalise all drugs and be done with it cause as we know our kids and young people listen to us all the time.8) , we will just tell them not to. They can ban it and should. thus making it harder to get hold of. hypocrites the lot of them!!

How is it harder to get hold of when it is banned? All other illegal drugs seem fairly easy to obtain, despite being against the law. Drugs should be legal, but controlled so they can only be purchased by adults. When I was 12 it was easier to get weed than it was to get co-codamol. You know why? Drug dealers don't need to see I.D before handing over narcotics, all they need to see is money.
You also think eductating young people about drug use is wrong? How in the world can that be....the more you know about a substance, the better equipped you are when coming to deal with it or take it. In all the years drugs have been illegal, I wonder how many people have struggled to aquire them? My guess is not many. I simply can't believe some people listen to the government without doing some reserch on these drugs first. Sigh.
 
i sure they didnt mix up mephedrone for methadone as in the uk its only in green/blue liquid the pill form of methadone is only given to you if you going overseas for holiday

True for the methadone prescribed for opioid dependence. I think pills are preferred when prescribing methadone for pain relief.

Also, unless you have zero tolerance, it'd probably take a lot of standard strength (1mg per ml) methadone linctus - like more than a cup full - for a person to overdose on the stuff.
 
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