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Are the mainstream "dumb" people actually the smartest?

madness00 said:
I understand "smart" is loaded, but most "smart" people try (and fail) to be mindful.
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I think it’s really hard to define who is “smart”. What is “smart”? Like... I am about to do my PhD but if my car broke down I’d be calling my friend who left school at 16. Who’s the smart one then?
 
PrincessDiz said:
I think it’s really hard to define who is “smart”. What is “smart”? Like... I am about to do my PhD but if my car broke down I’d be calling my friend who left school at 16. Who’s the smart one then?
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Right.

I guess im equating intelligence to mindfulness. A practice that people other than me think is a path to enlightenment.

I don't believe in enlightenment.
 
madness00 said:
Right.

I guess im equating intelligence to mindfulness. A practice that people other than me think is a path to enlightenment.

I don't believe in enlightenment.
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enlightenment itself is kind of paradox. You need a huge fucking ego to believe you can even pull off such a thing or believe in it in the first place.
 
Though in the first place everything is already enlightened to go through the journey to realize that A. there was nothing to already further enlighten or a person to even enlighten but you still have to take the entire path to discard all other answers and questions. Though in our infinite universe if we did not have paradoxes for so many things then it would not be a infinite. The world still stays the same when a person is enlightened is just now that their suffering has come to a complete end.
 
madness00 said:
I'd argue "dumb" people suffer far, far less.
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that is true aswell but they still suffer. To have complete no suffering is what only handfuls of people have achieved in human history. More intelligence = more suffering meaning you will eventually search for a path to end the suffering thus enter jesus buddah and other enlightened people.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
enlightenment itself is kind of paradox. You need a huge fucking ego to believe you can even pull off such a thing or believe in it in the first place.
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Only if you treat it like the 40 year old virgin

Pussies, pedestals, possibly?
 
madness00 said:
Or like, excepting things out of our control?

Is that what you mean @TripSitterNZ?
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well i believe death is not the end. consciousness is eternal a cycle forever unleash you extinguish samsara, karma through enlightenment that is also the end of mudane rebirth.

Suffering affects all of life its a reality. Things that are beyond your control should be let go like every other attachment to this world. We all suffer in differing ways even those living the high life of millions or billions of dollars. And of course we will all die at the end but that is only the meatsuit life is going on forever sometimes there will be no cycles where physical life exists in the universe for those who believe in a cyclic universe of big bangs and big crunches. But eventually life will return and so will suffering. Suffering plays a role in life and can propel us foward to become better or destory us as we get lost in the suffering and victim mentality
 
I think suffering is like a road sign.. guiding you and pointing you in a proper direction..

I don't think people HAVE to suffer.. but I think they can be aware of suffering without it effecting them..
 
atara said:
I think it's a bit of a caricature to suggest that uneducated and incurious people are just staring blankly. They often have complex ideas and internal conflict, although they may not know how to express them so that others can understand.

Some people do live more in the moment, but I don't think that's only a function of intelligence, however you define it. The difficult question from an individual's point of view looks more like, I would say, how lazy vs. industrious should you be?
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I'm latching on to this which may or may not show how much I blankly stare at walls. ;)
 
madness00 said:
Look, i don't have a lot to say on this.

I haven't rolled around in bed contemplating it.

Let's start with assuming intelligence is based on your intelligence quotient.
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May I just say that I think that's a terrible place to start. The idea that IQ is a good measure of some abstract generalized intelligence is highly dubious.

But I do agree that intelligent people are probably more likely to be unhappy.
 
It's tough being dumb.

I doubt they like it. Many are poor, underfed, overworked.

I guess if we are talking about the small percentage of the population who are essentially lobotomized, then yea I guess they wouldn't be unhappy, they certainly aren't happy.

Regarding IQ: it's losing its luster even in intellectual and academic circles wherein emotional intelligence is replacing it. Those who are able to empathize, understand, and utilize these abilities to further their goals and the goals of their community/business/family.
 
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