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Anyone else notice that WEED is the only drug that you CANNOT use all your life?

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I have no statistics to share...no knowledge of the percentage of weed smokers who are my age. The 1 thing I DO know is that after 43 yrs of daily weed smoking (the only days I may have missed was because of either being in the hospital or the occasional 'outage'), I still enjoy the hell out of it.
Most of my pals even from high-school (class of '72) still toke & have had no ill effects. I've had no ill effects, so the only thing I can base my facts on are personal experience. I hate booze now, after being a 12-pack-a-day drinker for 25+ yrs & I quit 9 yrs ago. Cigs are a stupid habit & I quit them 5 yrs ago. Weed is my only daily ritual & will be until my death. I've never had any anxiety attacks, never been a lazy bum who didn't work, have a great family & a 21 yr old son who doesn't toke, smoke cigs or drink.
So, weed is detrimental how? :?
 
I don't think this is completely true, but I think it can produce Paranoia and Anxiety, but I think it really depends on the person and the atmosphere in were they smoke.

If your getting heaps of Paranoia and Anxiety .. I think you need to kick it back a notch .. smoke a little less :)
 
space_monkey said:
Hi friend. I know where you're coming from, but actually it is just like that. You can control it. The universe is just a projection of the mind.
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I've always been able to deal with it but never able to control it.

Last night I was high with some friends (3 friends who I trust) and I was just anxious about nothing, literally nothing. Just had waves of anxiety over nothing. Managed to deal with it until it went away but definitely couldn't control it or make it go away any faster. But yeah I'd been smoking weed erryday for this week which is probably why it happened. Going back to weekend blazing only now.

But my main point was it has nothing to do with 'the truth' like he said. What truth is there to me just being anxious and scared of absolutely nothing?

Edit: For the record I know plenty of people who smoke into their 50s without any problems. But I've also realised most people who stop smoking because of anxiety don't usually talk about it or bring it up unless you relate to them or something.
 
squidhead said:
I have no statistics to share...no knowledge of the percentage of weed smokers who are my age. The 1 thing I DO know is that after 43 yrs of daily weed smoking (the only days I may have missed was because of either being in the hospital or the occasional 'outage'), I still enjoy the hell out of it.
Most of my pals even from high-school (class of '72) still toke & have had no ill effects. I've had no ill effects, so the only thing I can base my facts on are personal experience. I hate booze now, after being a 12-pack-a-day drinker for 25+ yrs & I quit 9 yrs ago. Cigs are a stupid habit & I quit them 5 yrs ago. Weed is my only daily ritual & will be until my death. I've never had any anxiety attacks, never been a lazy bum who didn't work, have a great family & a 21 yr old son who doesn't toke, smoke cigs or drink.
So, weed is detrimental how? :?
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How much do you smoke per day? Like I said earlier in this thread, I don't think smoking once per day is THAT heavy use. It also depends on how much you smoke each session. For instance, I could see taking a hit in the morning, a hit at midday and a hit at night and being ok. It's when you start getting bonged out of your mind every 4 hours that problems arise. Then again, you might be one of those people who GETS bonged out of their mind every day and doesnt have a problem. Every person is differnt you see. But you cannot use your experience as evidence that weed isn't detrimental. I mean, that is very poor logic. Lets compare it to tobacco. Plenty of people smoke tobacco their whole lives and never get cancer or emphysema or heart disease. Does that prove that tobacco isn't detrimental? Of course it doesn't, because SOME people do get cancer/emphysema/heart disease (or all three if they're unlucky). So, weed is no different. You are like one of the tobacco smokers who hasn't cancer or COPD. But to conclude tobacco is harmless based on that, is absurd. So why do people apply this logic to weed?
 
burn out said:
How much do you smoke per day? Like I said earlier in this thread, I don't think smoking once per day is THAT heavy use. It also depends on how much you smoke each session. For instance, I could see taking a hit in the morning, a hit at midday and a hit at night and being ok. It's when you start getting bonged out of your mind every 4 hours that problems arise. Then again, you might be one of those people who GETS bonged out of their mind every day and doesnt have a problem. Every person is differnt you see. But you cannot use your experience as evidence that weed isn't detrimental. I mean, that is very poor logic. Lets compare it to tobacco. Plenty of people smoke tobacco their whole lives and never get cancer or emphysema or heart disease. Does that prove that tobacco isn't detrimental? Of course it doesn't, because SOME people do get cancer/emphysema/heart disease (or all three if they're unlucky). So, weed is no different. You are like one of the tobacco smokers who hasn't cancer or COPD. But to conclude tobacco is harmless based on that, is absurd. So why do people apply this logic to weed?
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I only toke in the evenings & probably a total of 8 bonghits throughout the evening. Now as far as weed causing cancer or emphysema...I have never heard of 1 case of COPD, cancer or emphysema from marijuana exclusively. Do you have any facts that cannabis has caused cancer/emphysema or COPD in anyone? I may have read it wrong, but I could've sworn I read that it's never been proven that marijuana has ever caused any such disease...WHEN USED EXCLUSIVELY.
If I'm wrong, I'll be the 1st to admit it...but out of everything out there, weed is probably the safest substance.
 
Chesh said:
What truth is there to me just being anxious and scared of absolutely nothing?
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Maybe there is something about your environment that is making you feel negative. For example, I usually can't be on the computer when I'm high because it really amplifies the fact that I'm wasting my time. I have to go do some exercises or something to get into a good state of mind when I feel like this (and it works every time...)
 
I am a daily smoker. I probably smoke more doobs than some cigg smokers smoke cigarettes. My dad is also a daily smoker. Together we can go through a quarter 1-2 days. I have anxiety naturally, and IMO, the marijuana is better than the Xanax at chilling me out. Dad has smoked for the better part of 40 years. My mother was also a heavy drug user (like dropping acid when she was pregnant kind of user.) I say all this to say maybe genetically I'm just predisposed to have a higher tolerance... but I've never gotten anxious from smoking pot. I've smoked fairly consistently for about 10 years, and I quit once for a year and started back. I've heard plenty of stories of people who have, and a LOT of friends who have to stop smoking way before I will, or friends who used to smoke and now experience the anxiety and paranoia you all speak of. I simply can't relate though. I've never had it happen... The crazy giggly high that everyone else seems to get? Nope.

Sorry I got off subject a bit, but others' experiences on MJ fascinate me, because while I can get good and blitzed it just never seems to be the same as a lot of the people I smoke with. I hope I never experience the paranoia and anxiety, because I sure would hate to not be able to smoke.
 
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Maybe there is something about your environment that is making you feel negative. For example, I usually can't be on the computer when I'm high because it really amplifies the fact that I'm wasting my time. I have to go do some exercises or something to get into a good state of mind when I feel like this (and it works every time...)
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But there's nothing in my environment making me anxious.

It's hard feeling to describe, I just sometimes feel anxious and scared for no reason when I'm high. I'm in the most comfortable setting possible, there's nothing making me anxious or scared but I just am.

If something specific is making me anxious then I usually just get some fresh air and put my headphones on then I'm fine within a minute, but this is different.
 
Nice to see some familiar experiences with maryjane, I got to say some of the people writing here saying its harmless and they know people who smoke 20 years etc lala. This could well be true but from my experiences I feel it is just a joke, I reckon you have not entered the high world proper way, or neither enjoyed it of big doses for long periods 3-5 years everyday (this is just period roughly, when things started to go wrong with MJ for me.) I think you are just clueless, or just wait when that happens to you, although gotta agree on different personalities,lifestyle, $ situation and etc. I went into some of my worst experiences of life with cannabis, although I still smoke it often, but i am trying to reduce it as much as possible and Sport (basketball) has given me the edge of quitting it on daily basis at least. I used hit a bong instead of having breakfast, put some music and just go college/work. Panic attacks etc all happen on later stages of smoking. First few years were so good and nice, music/clubbing part. It was just wonderful as you could just hit one J and just dance with little amount of alcohol. one of my better experiences were presentation in front of 100 people, and my language barrier was a bit of problem to me at that time, but I hit a spliff and just forgotten who I was, went so super, that people actually just stood there and be stunned of how well it did go.

Had couple of bad panic attacks, heart races and such stages like hangovers, anxiety and big big laziness. I can say it definitely ruined one year of my life, but I cant deny the ideas it given me, and general thinking outside the box, also here in the UK you meet bunch of people who just smoke and thats the way you start a conversation if you are shy for e.g. (unis, colleges, schools).

Don't think it is bad to have it casually but once you hit the road and time just start flying, over the years you just feel stupid and it seems its pointless what you do, also money factor, amount of cash spent on this is just ridiculous. But I still think its better to have a J every now and then instead of taking something else, alcohol as e.g. the casual intake is nice too and hits you well at least, so you can actually think about the old good times and how good J is. ;) remember there always haters and people who deny its effects and lala, smoking is completely up to the smoker and no posts,threads,ads, help programmes etc will cut you off from smoking, but all I want to say its that people should be aware of it, and it happens. Not some 99% or ridiculous percentages.
 
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I don't think smoking weed is harmless, but really lets keep things in perspective. The vast majority of responsible cannabis users have no issues whatsoever. There are a people that do have problems somewhere along the line, but they are definitely a minority.
 
Y'all are crazy and brainwashed. No one here is saying that weed is completely harmless. The OP came here and said that EVERYONE WHO SMOKES WILL AUTOMATICALLY DEVELOP SOME SORT OF ANXIETY/PARANOIA/PANIC ATTACK DISORDER. We came here to defend ourselves, saying that yes, it IS possible to get anxiety and paranoia from weed, but it's a load of horseshit to say it will happen to everyone.

My personal view on the situation is that certain people are predispositioned to have anxiety and paranoia when smoking weed. To the dude who says he feels anxious from smoking, "for no reason"; the fact alone that you probably believe you're going to have anxiety or paranoia after smoking predispositions you to having anxiety or paranoia after you smoke. Your mind is a powerful thing.
 
squidhead said:
I only toke in the evenings & probably a total of 8 bonghits throughout the evening. Now as far as weed causing cancer or emphysema...I have never heard of 1 case of COPD, cancer or emphysema from marijuana exclusively. Do you have any facts that cannabis has caused cancer/emphysema or COPD in anyone? I may have read it wrong, but I could've sworn I read that it's never been proven that marijuana has ever caused any such disease...WHEN USED EXCLUSIVELY.
If I'm wrong, I'll be the 1st to admit it...but out of everything out there, weed is probably the safest substance.
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I never said that marijuana caused cancer or emphysema. You recounted how you had smoked weed for a long time and hadn't been harmed by it, and then you said "so how is weed detrimental?". My point was that, you can't use your personal experience of smoking weed for a long time and not getting anxiety or other harmful effects from it, as evidence that it does not or cannot cause those effects, any more than an alcoholic who hasn't gotten cirrhosis or pancreatitus can say that alcohol isn't detrimental and doesn't cause those things. In my last posts, I used tobacco and cancer/emphysema as the example rather than alcohol, but the point is the same.

Consider if someone said "I've been drinking for 20 years and I'm fine, therefore alcohol is harmless" or "I've been smoking tobacco for 40 years and I don't have cancer or emphysema, therefore tobacco is not detrimental" they would be laughed at, because everyone can see the flaw in their argument. Yet for some strange reason, people seem to accept arguments of the same form if they are made about cannabis. Has anyone else noticed this? I mean, how many times do we someone saying something like "I've been smoking X long" or "this guy I know has been smoking X long and doesn't have anxiety or other problems, therefore marijuana does not cause those things". As I hope my examples illustrate, it is a very flawed way of looking at this.


As for marijuana and emphysema, more research needs to be done but from what I have read a causal link between cannabis and emphysema has not been established. There are however, several case reports where heavy marijuana smokers are found with lung bullae. This reports (like this for example: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21887157) are pretty frightening to read. However, the vast majority of marijuana smokers do not smoke anywhere near as much as that guy.
 
Artificial Emotion said:
I don't think smoking weed is harmless, but really lets keep things in perspective. The vast majority of responsible cannabis users have no issues whatsoever. There are a people that do have problems somewhere along the line, but they are definitely a minority.
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I agree with AE's opinion here. Sure, some people get anxiety or paranoia after toking, but as 1 poster said, try an indica strain instead of a sativa. Sativa gives that energetic high & can induce anxiety. Indica gives that laidback, couchlock high...where you'll watch whatever TV station is on because the remote is across the room.
I was just stating that it has never happened to me in 43 yrs of constant use. Even a good sativa just makes me want to get things done, but hasn't caused me to be nervous about anything. It's the best thing that I've run across to adjust my attitude.
 
So what if someone has smoked for 25 years and on their 25th year they suddenly had a panic attack on weed. Just because I didn't have anxiety yesterday or today doesn't mean I won't experience it tomorrow. Life is complicated, shit happens. You can't always be Mr. Stability. That doesn't mean weed is causing your anxiety. It means you are a human being who experiences emotions.

Cannabis gives you what you need. If you haven't eaten today and you smoke, it's liable to make you hungry; if you haven't slept it's liable to make you tired; and if you are ignoring something that is causing you fear, it's likely to shove that fear right back in your face so that you will deal with it. I would even say that cannabis can be a teacher that shows you your own inner world.

Until you cite research that clearly demonstrates cannabis directly induces panic, you are full of shit. /end thread
 
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