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Anyone else notice that WEED is the only drug that you CANNOT use all your life?
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treezy z
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it sounds like YOU can't use weed all your life and are projecting that on all of humanity.
BULLCRAP 99% of stoners absolutely do not experience this, obviously some do but really 99 are you freakin nuts. I know several ppl who have smoked more or less daily for 20+ yrs, my father's in his seventies and been smoking daily for 40+ yrs, im one of the biggest stoners I know and ive NEVER heard of what many of you have described.
Seems most of you making these claims are quite paranoid with or without marijuana, my moneys on predispotition, which is what most of the current research on cannabis and mental health would suggest, all of you claiming that marijuana WILL turn on you are not only being completely ridiculous your just speculating and Id appreciate it if youd all quit the fear mongering, cannabis can save the planet!!
Seems most of you making these claims are quite paranoid with or without marijuana, my moneys on predispotition, which is what most of the current research on cannabis and mental health would suggest, all of you claiming that marijuana WILL turn on you are not only being completely ridiculous your just speculating and Id appreciate it if youd all quit the fear mongering, cannabis can save the planet!!
Bubbles19
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i would completely disagree with this post, i know people who are 67+ and they still smoke at least 2 grams a day, and they have been doing that since they were at least 16.
i know at least 20 adults who are 45+ who still smoke weed on the daily and have been for their whole lives, never had an issue.
I think it does have alot to do with your own personal chemistry, and how you respect(i don't know if thats the right word) the drug, I have seen tons of people start to smoke everyday to the point where they dont accomplish anything, an generally those people give it up and decide they cant smoke often.
I have also seen tons of people start smoking everyday, before everything, and anything, and they became even more successful and accomplished people than before they were smoking.
Not to mention how certain people retain functionality with the herb, i can take a couple rips out of my bong and function, talk, not look too stoned, drive, even study and do homework.
Other people come over and hit my bong, and after one hit they are done and fucking BLAZED. These people smoke every single day as much as i do.
My psychologist is even astounded as how much it regulates me instead of hampering me.
I have been smoking EVERY SINGLE DAY since i was 13, so about 5 years now, i have taken a few, week or so, breaks in there.
And like everyone else before me, if i have a fit of paranoia, i dont smoke the next day and then i am fine.
but that is extremely rare, for the most part it gets rid of my anxiety.
i know at least 20 adults who are 45+ who still smoke weed on the daily and have been for their whole lives, never had an issue.
I think it does have alot to do with your own personal chemistry, and how you respect(i don't know if thats the right word) the drug, I have seen tons of people start to smoke everyday to the point where they dont accomplish anything, an generally those people give it up and decide they cant smoke often.
I have also seen tons of people start smoking everyday, before everything, and anything, and they became even more successful and accomplished people than before they were smoking.
Not to mention how certain people retain functionality with the herb, i can take a couple rips out of my bong and function, talk, not look too stoned, drive, even study and do homework.
Other people come over and hit my bong, and after one hit they are done and fucking BLAZED. These people smoke every single day as much as i do.
My psychologist is even astounded as how much it regulates me instead of hampering me.
I have been smoking EVERY SINGLE DAY since i was 13, so about 5 years now, i have taken a few, week or so, breaks in there.
And like everyone else before me, if i have a fit of paranoia, i dont smoke the next day and then i am fine.
but that is extremely rare, for the most part it gets rid of my anxiety.
you obviously haven't experienced proper paranoia/anxiety on weed before, it's not something you can just 'face head on' or control and it definitely has nothing to do with the truth.
How did you come up with 99%? Let's take a look at just the people who have responded to this thread. If it was true that only 1% of stoners experience this and since far fewer than one hundred people have responded, we should expect that no one besides the OP would have experienced the paranoia/anxiety high change.
However, three people have already responded saying it has either happened to them or they know many people whom it has happened to, compared to six people claiming it hasn't happened to them and denying it commonly happens to others (counting you as a denier). The rest of the people who responded neither affirmed, nor denied the OPs claims so I did not count them.
Anyway, if it were in fact true that less than 1% of stoners experienced this, it would be highly unlikely that we would see such a high percentage of them in this thread. Furthermore, most people who quit cannabis due to the paranoia no longer frequent the cannabis forum. When I was a stoner, I used to come here all the time but now that I no longer smoke, I only check this board once every couple of years. It's no secret that most of the members of cannabis discussion are current cannabis smokers. Thus, if anything, those who have quit due to paranoia are under represented here. That's why I ask you, what you base this one % on?
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jazz hands
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I definitely get anxiety from weed nowadays but I just have to smoke less often and make sure I'm doing something that allows me to unwind while I smoke, such as walking/ jogging/ etc. I pretty much smoke most nights now (strictly nights as smoking during the day fucks with me), maybe a half a joint or so while I explore the neighborhood. If I feel at all cooped up while high, I get anxiety.
Artificial Emotion
Bluelighter
You obviously haven't spoken to many older stoners. I know plenty of people in their 60s and 70s who are just fine smoking a joint or two every evening instead of alcohol. To them, the high hasn't changed so much that they don't enjoy the experience. I get the impression you're prejudiced against cannabis simply because of your own negative experience.
jobe28
Bluelighter
Yeah. I know what you're saying. It's funny too because when you first start smoking weed one of the main reasons you think it's awesome is because you think "shit I could do this all the time and be fucking fine"
I understand where you're coming from, but the stance that Marijuana "turns on" people and the high significantly changes negatively as you continue to smoke is false. Like people above suggested, I really believe it has to do with people's personal mental make-ups. For example, my group of friends have all been smoking for 15+ years. Some of us more than others (for example, I never smoked at school, another friend of mine would only smoke at night) smoked more, but for 15 years we were all smoking daily. Now, two of these friends have had weed "turn on them", per se. Friend A overdosed on Methamphetamine when we were in Grade 10 (don't even ask, stupidest thing) and had a heart attack. He'd been smoking since he was in Grade 7, but once he picked it back up again he would get panic attacks sometimes from smoking weed. He still loved weed, but problems arouse when after he smoked and noticed he'd be really high, sometimes he'd get anxious and paranoid and suffer a panic attack. We'd have to calm him down, so nothing significant ever came out of it, and he eventually was able to control the panic attacks so that he could smoke again and be able to relax. Friend B was going through a tough break-up with his girlfriend specifically about his marijuana use. We'd know she wasn't O.K with his use, and that it was stressing him, but he kept on smoking. Eventually he started getting what people above have been saying they get. He started being anxious and paranoid, and felt guilty for his smoking. He quit, but has recently begun again, this time with no ill side-effects (and no girl, but that's for the best).
From these two stories that happened to friends, my own research, and my own experience with drugs use, I feel as though certain people who are struggling mentally (being sad, stress, frusterated etc doesn't make you "weak minded", lol) are pre-dispositioned to get anxiety, paranoia and panic attacks from marijuana. I know the OP said he's taken a variety of different drugs, but most drugs don't effect people as mentally as marijuana does. The high from Marijuana feels like it's truely in your head, which can contribute to the anxiety.
I've smoked too much and been paranoid before, but I've never gotten aniety or panic attacks. I feel as though if you have some anxiety, the weed will amplify it, but to say it will automatically "turn on you" is ridiculous. The weed didn't turn on you, you turned on it. You abused it and probably had some BS in your life that made you view it poorly. I abused it too, but never had problemes from marijuana. I believe I never had problems from marijuana because I never tried to blame my problems on marijuana.
From these two stories that happened to friends, my own research, and my own experience with drugs use, I feel as though certain people who are struggling mentally (being sad, stress, frusterated etc doesn't make you "weak minded", lol) are pre-dispositioned to get anxiety, paranoia and panic attacks from marijuana. I know the OP said he's taken a variety of different drugs, but most drugs don't effect people as mentally as marijuana does. The high from Marijuana feels like it's truely in your head, which can contribute to the anxiety.
I've smoked too much and been paranoid before, but I've never gotten aniety or panic attacks. I feel as though if you have some anxiety, the weed will amplify it, but to say it will automatically "turn on you" is ridiculous. The weed didn't turn on you, you turned on it. You abused it and probably had some BS in your life that made you view it poorly. I abused it too, but never had problemes from marijuana. I believe I never had problems from marijuana because I never tried to blame my problems on marijuana.
Foreigner
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The OP is BS. I've been smoking for 15 years off and on, and I do not notice this problem.
Everyone *I've* met who gets paranoid while high has uncontrollable anxiety in their life in general, or they already have mental health problems to start with.
Next time post research to back up ridiculous claims.
Everyone *I've* met who gets paranoid while high has uncontrollable anxiety in their life in general, or they already have mental health problems to start with.
Next time post research to back up ridiculous claims.
SirTophamHat
Bluelighter
Yeah agreed. I think OP is suffering from a sample size bias here.
Also OP even says he knows of a 40+ year smoker, well if you start as a teenager that brings us to one's 60s and the average north american male lives to be 75. Sounds like a life long smoker to me.
bluedolphin
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Video of a 25+ year smoker finally getting admitting to getting a panic attack for the first time. This guy has been getting stoned for 25+ years daily and it finally turned on him. He thinks it has to do with his lungs but all of the symptoms he described are related to an anxiety induced panic attack. I am not posting this to prove anything, I am just sticking by my saying that weed will eventually change on you in the long run (time allotment is different for everybody)
http://videos.nuggetry.com/others/nuggetry-tv-special-chubbs-discusses-his-recent-tolerance-break/
I guess what I am trying to say here is that for those that are saying that they have been smoking for 15 years and have had no anxiety/paranoia/panic related episodes, you probably are one of the lucky ones that can go a LONG time before facing your first episode. But that doesn't mean that you wont ever, you probably just have not been smoking for long enough, look at the video above. (25 years until his first panic episode)
http://videos.nuggetry.com/others/nuggetry-tv-special-chubbs-discusses-his-recent-tolerance-break/
I guess what I am trying to say here is that for those that are saying that they have been smoking for 15 years and have had no anxiety/paranoia/panic related episodes, you probably are one of the lucky ones that can go a LONG time before facing your first episode. But that doesn't mean that you wont ever, you probably just have not been smoking for long enough, look at the video above. (25 years until his first panic episode)
Artificial Emotion
Bluelighter
Of course you are, otherwise you wouldn't have posted it. Of course, it proves absolutely nothing. If you want to actually prove your point, actually cite some relevant research rather than anecdotes. I'm afraid internet videos mean sweet fa I'm sorry to say.
In my humble opinion hpv311 is correct. My dad has been smoking since 68 and he is straight as fuck, still.... Huh?? How many others of us know or are old stoners, always smoked pot?? I aint heard this one yet. I been round the block a few times. I will look into it.
I love weed. I am a Medical Marijuana patient in California. I am just extremely aware of its side effects, the problem with most Marijuana smokers is that they think it is as safe as water. Then when they develop a panic or paranoia disorder they start thinking, "I wonder why this happened, I thought weed as harmless!?"
I don't even drink because a marijuana high is much more enjoyable than being drunk. The reason I am hating on weed because the internet is literally littered with stories, posts, and articles by marijuana users who have essentially had their lives ruined by chronic Marijuana use. At first, I did not believe it until one month I was stoned all weekend long for 4 weeks. On the 4th week I started panicking out of no where and the symptoms exactly matched to the stoners who were posting their problems on health forums. I am not just talking about 1 or 2 posts here, I am talking about thousands of posts I have seen on the internet. It is always the same story as user burn out mentioned.
I have also had friends and met people in real life who tell me the same thing. That they used to smoke, they got the similar symptoms, and were forced to quit. The story is the same over and over again.
Hoes call me santa
Bluelighter
I think there's a difference between a normal stoner and Chubbs that took between 20 and 60 dabs a day for about a year bro... That's a goddamn heavy user in my opinion.
I can agree with you that cannabis isn't the safest thing to do out there... But is eating Fastfood healthy or safe for you? No and people still do it.
You are totally demonizing cannabis here rather than stating that a small proportion of users will feel a certain way after years of usage.
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