Anyone dropped out of life?

[Jabberwocky]

for now i'm stuck in the rat race but working towards a career path that gives me more freedom and then maybe find some real joy in life.

For as much as I talk shit about the USA and see how the game is rigged and frustrating, I think this point I quoted is a good reminder to myself.

The corporate job I abruptly walked out of one morning in February had built up so such frustration in me that was effecting my life outside of work and making me extremely edgy at work, maybe I shouldn't run off to be a sue chef or leave the country on a whim (both things I've done since then).

I think I need to know my experience here is vast compared to other places, I know some people and things, the mental health system although they are mildly keeping tabs on me I get it and I respect that they are actually on my side, got me housing when I was homeless, gave me second third and forth chances.

I just need to use all this cushy life situations I have and leverage it instead of being ungrateful.

 

[-=SS=-]

maybe I shouldn't run off to be a sue chef

Two professions I'd never enter, cheffery and education. Work you to the bone and you get nothing in return for it.

Life would actually be tolerable if wages had kept up with inflation over the past century, housing was plentiful and not x10 overvalued, and corporations actually designed products to last instead of deliberately failing after X years.

I don't really need that much materially speaking. I don't care for exotic travels or big purchases, I just want a quiet place to live and be myself. If all of the above were true, I could probably work a simple job and be quite content. It really fucks me off just how much I'm expected to know and deal with to not fall off the hamster wheel.

We've been shoehorned into thinking this is acceptable, and that this much energy is required. It's bullshit.

 

[paranoid android]

I havent had a job since 2003 partly because i have pain and psychiatric issues and partly because i am not good at taking shit from inferior people. In the west identity is often tied to your job so it can be awkward when someone asks what i do for a living.

I don't want much though in life honestly a cabin in the outback would be fine

 

[MedicinalUser247]

Dropped out of life ? Maby.

 

[Jabberwocky]

. If all of the above were true, I could probably work a simple job and be quite content. It really fucks me off just how much I'm expected to know and deal with to not fall off the hamster wheel.

Yes me as well.

Do we really need 293,000 employees working at Chase Bank? And have to pay 30% of total income for a small share of land next to people not our family?

It's god damn ridiculous in certain perspectives.

 

[-=SS=-]

Do we really need 293,000 employees working at Chase Bank? And have to pay 30% of total income for a small share of land next to people not our family?

Do we really need millions upon millions of Chinese people working slave labour conditions just so we can have 50 different varieties of the same crappy plastic product with different branding?

I think about this often. Why is it we have a monopoly on certain things, but not others? Take cutlery for example. Do we really need dozens of manufacturers and designs? Can't we just have one that produces a range of all the different items, but designed properly, made from proper quality steel and hardened with boron or whatever, that lasts more than a lifetime?

And how much of what we manufacture and purchase is absolutely unnecessary in the grand scheme of things, and only exists to fill a void or assuage the nonsense/stress of working nonsense taxing jobs? Then you think about all the downstream jobs from these products.. the packaging, the marketing, etc, and downstream from those. It's got to be more than 50% of all jobs are completely pointless.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Do we really need millions upon millions of Chinese people working slave labour conditions just so we can have 50 different varieties of the same crappy plastic product with different branding?

I think about this often. Why is it we have a monopoly on certain things, but not others? Take cutlery for example. Do we really need dozens of manufacturers and designs? Can't we just have one that produces a range of all the different items, but designed properly, made from proper quality steel and hardened with boron or whatever, that lasts more than a lifetime?

And how much of what we manufacture and purchase is absolutely unnecessary in the grand scheme of things, and only exists to fill a void or assuage the nonsense/stress of working nonsense taxing jobs? Then you think about all the downstream jobs from these products.. the packaging, the marketing, etc, and downstream from those. It's got to be more than 50% of all jobs are completely pointless.

I absolutely agree.

I watch the late life man shake a tambourine on a commercial promoting a newly approved drug to make your skin a bit less blotchy (with the chance of suicidal thoughts and organ failure) and wonder how the fuck we got here.

I was in a conversation off line last night, talking about how if we don't have evaluation checkpoints every so often, we end up somewhere without fully understanding how we got there. I also believe us two @-=SS=- briefly talked about that concept in P&S. Sort of just a side comment. It doesn't help make that tambourine shaking any more sexy.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Spoiler: A bit depressing, sort of personal and off topic

Also, a lot of reality TV is 21st century torture if you think about it from the perspective of the producer.

Unfortunately I have the ability to do that. To understand the clinically antisocial mindset. Sometimes I wish I didn't. Sometimes I wish I could live a life with Severance.

But it feels so wrong. And makes me feel out of control. And dangerous.

It's tough when faced with real life situations that I wish I had a stronger connection to, but just don't. I can cognize it. But the connecting feeling is just not there.

 

[-=SS=-]

Spoiler: A bit depressing, sort of personal and off topic

Also, a lot of reality TV is 21st century torture if you think about it from the perspective of the producer.

Unfortunately I have the ability to do that. To understand the clinically antisocial mindset. Sometimes I wish I didn't. Sometimes I wish I could live a life with Severance.

But it feels so wrong. And makes me feel out of control. And dangerous.

It's tough when faced with real life situations that I wish I had a stronger connection to, but just don't. I can cognize it. But the connecting feeling is just not there.

Are you saying you work in that capacity, or that you just understand the antisocial mindset?

I don't think the feeling ever really leaves you, and that one is able to give up their humanity or essence. It just gets masked behind whatever behaviour has taken control of the life force of that individual - that's the price you pay to have whatever it is you think you're gaining by selling out. Luckily readmission is free and always open, all you have to do is sincerely offer yourself up for redemption.

Hopefully I haven't just completely misread what your post was about

 

[Jabberwocky]

@-=SS=- Both. I'm battled with contradictory thoughts every day. I can understand the importance of prosocial behavior. But I often look around the USA and think, yes I absolutely feel a sense of responsibility, however is it my job? Especially when most people will not understand ? Or be resistant? And when I am the one feeling hunger, thirst, and impatience? When I'm suffering just as much? When I am feeling like the outsider?

I very much dislike injustices. I very much support free thinkers. And I very much dislike those who try to make themselves feel better by bringing others down.

However I too am not perfect, I am tempted on many levels, and sometimes even the emotional gratification of saying "fuck you" out weights the emotional gratification of helping others. As fucked up as that is, it's what it is. I've very much been shaped into the prosocial person I am today.

The vast majority of days I am very grateful for that. And when I'm not, I should be.

Which is why I left corporate. And why I still try.

 

[-=SS=-]

@-=SS=- Both. I'm battled with contradictory thoughts every day. I can understand the importance of prosocial behavior. But I often look around the USA and think, yes I absolutely feel a sense of responsibility, however is it my job? Especially when most people will not understand ? Or be resistant? And when I am the one feeling hunger, thirst, and impatience? When I'm suffering just as much? When I am feeling like the outsider?

Being a purveyor of content, it's a dilemma for sure. I actually removed an old youtube video of mine years ago, despite it being educational in nature, because I wasn't happy with the idea of creating a certain ripple in the psychological fabric. Unfortunately someone else re-uploaded it and now it has over a million views!

I think what it boils down to for me is simply getting people to think, not telling them what to think, and actually disclaiming that at the outset as well reminding them during the content. I wouldn't be able to produce content on behalf of someone else though, because inevitably you have to play a certain game. You'll never hear CNN or the BBC prefacing their 6 o'clock broadcast with "we remind you that we might be completely full of shit and you should exercise intellectual caution.", for example.

In light of that, I also don't think there is a need for education. More often than not education just serves as an excuse to subtly manipulate the viewer anyway. This is why I like abstract content, because it adds a layer of natural obfuscation between the producer and the viewer, forcing the viewer to view it through their internal lens of intuition rather than through any predefined concept structure (which can be corrupted).

Somehow I think this fits in here. One of my favourite films too

 

[Jabberwocky]

Very good point.

And I often tell people, I don't have all the answers, I don't know many things.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Education vs indoctrination

 

[paranoid android]

Being a purveyor of content, it's a dilemma for sure. I actually removed an old youtube video of mine years ago, despite it being educational in nature, because I wasn't happy with the idea of creating a certain ripple in the psychological fabric. Unfortunately someone else re-uploaded it and now it has over a million views!

I think what it boils down to for me is simply getting people to think, not telling them what to think, and actually disclaiming that at the outset as well reminding them during the content. I wouldn't be able to produce content on behalf of someone else though, because inevitably you have to play a certain game. You'll never hear CNN or the BBC prefacing their 6 o'clock broadcast with "we remind you that we might be completely full of shit and you should exercise intellectual caution.", for example.

In light of that, I also don't think there is a need for education. More often than not education just serves as an excuse to subtly manipulate the viewer anyway. This is why I like abstract content, because it adds a layer of natural obfuscation between the producer and the viewer, forcing the viewer to view it through their internal lens of intuition rather than through any predefined concept structure (which can be corrupted).

Somehow I think this fits in here. One of my favourite films too

CNN and BBC are one of the reasons why the boomers and gen xers are so indoctrinated. People in Canada where i live grew up with only the CBC, CNN, NBC or BBC if you had cable. For a good portion of my millennial life these where the only sources of news i had as well but deep down i always knew they where full of shit. We in the west point at propaganda put out by North Korea but i can remember during the first Iraq war i was watching Bagdad get bombed to fuck and the news reporters where basically cheering it on like it was a good thing. It was sickening and i can remember my mom talking about those poor people being bombed and how horrible it was. But ya the reporters cheered it on.

One good thing about the internet is that now you can actually get different points of view on things. I think this could be the reason why gen z are far more left wing then boomers, gen xers or even millennials. If you want you can get Palestinians pov or the side of south Yemen. The BBC and CNN however where not known for getting 2 sides of the story. I can't even watch CNN, BBC or even the CBC now because they are just so biased that its hard to watch. The only people who still watch regular news like that are people like my dad whos views would be right in line with either 3 of those networks. They are all the same shit at the end of the day.

 

[thujone]

For as much as I talk shit about the USA and see how the game is rigged and frustrating, I think this point I quoted is a good reminder to myself.

The corporate job I abruptly walked out of one morning in February had built up so such frustration in me that was effecting my life outside of work and making me extremely edgy at work, maybe I shouldn't run off to be a sue chef or leave the country on a whim (both things I've done since then).

I think I need to know my experience here is vast compared to other places, I know some people and things, the mental health system although they are mildly keeping tabs on me I get it and I respect that they are actually on my side, got me housing when I was homeless, gave me second third and forth chances.

I just need to use all this cushy life situations I have and leverage it instead of being ungrateful.

yeah, it's hard to be patient... especially when years are flying by and the feeling of getting nowhere fast is gnawing at your mind.

but what else can you do, if you don't have better options? the good thing about the corporate life is that it's a regular cadence, so that at least leaves some free time to work on improving your options.

Life would actually be tolerable if wages had kept up with inflation over the past century, housing was plentiful and not x10 overvalued, and corporations actually designed products to last instead of deliberately failing after X years.

I don't really need that much materially speaking. I don't care for exotic travels or big purchases, I just want a quiet place to live and be myself. If all of the above were true, I could probably work a simple job and be quite content. It really fucks me off just how much I'm expected to know and deal with to not fall off the hamster wheel.

you can find that in smaller cities, where real estate is more affordable. people work simple jobs because that's all there are, and get to live in a decent home.

but who knows, the financialization of real estate has gotten pretty bad. speculators have infested everywhere in the west. the world has taken advantage of our political stability and it has squeezed the working class up against the wall.

I havent had a job since 2003 partly because i have pain and psychiatric issues and partly because i am not good at taking shit from inferior people. In the west identity is often tied to your job so it can be awkward when someone asks what i do for a living.

I don't want much though in life honestly a cabin in the outback would be fine

i felt like i took way more shit from inferior people when i was my own boss (and struggling to get by). ime when people think you're a nobody, they don't hesitate to treat you like one.

like you say identity is tied to job, but i think that is just used as a proxy for your earning potential and therefore status. it's kind of a double edged sword, i guess. status is easy to just buy if you have money, but almost impossible to acquire if you don't. i can't think of anyone who doesn't get paid very well that has any kind of meaningful status in western society.

 

[Jabberwocky]

but what else can you do, if you don't have better options?

We can use our free time to find better options.

I have not even a percentage of experience in the different roles this country has to offer. And frankly I am not even sure what I excel at.

I have some "skills" and I have started having a better understanding of some preferences and tendencies, but I'll be damned if I don't make my next move intentional. And the amount of stress from feeling my personality was being sucked out at work taught me that I will never let that happen to me again.

 

[-=SS=-]

you can find that in smaller cities, where real estate is more affordable. people work simple jobs because that's all there are, and get to live in a decent home.

You're definitely not British then lol. Our housing stock is abysmal; smallest footage in Europe, poorly designed, poorly constructed, and insanely overvalued in order to prop up the delusion of wealth we have here.

but who knows, the financialization of real estate has gotten pretty bad. speculators have infested everywhere in the west. the world has taken advantage of our political stability and it has squeezed the working class up against the wall.

The fact that housing is a serious issue in the UK and USA, every Crown colony, and throughout much of Europe, all at the same time.. it speaks to something more coordinated than just blind financial speculation. Especially in light of the mass migration happening simultaneously with decreasing native birth rates.

Just like the 'poor planning' of the nuclear/energy sector in the UK, these are all issues that they've had decades to sort out. There's no way this isn't deliberate and coordinated maleficence. Politicians can apparently plan and instigate wars in foreign nations with military precision, and opponents like Dr David Kelly just mysteriously fall down dead, but they can't build a few fucking houses? Nah. This is a conspiracy. It's plain as day.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

I feel reddit is trying too hard to please people now that they're publicly traded.

Once money is involved, asses are kissed.

Plus the mods are all fragile egos on a power trip. You can get bans for absolute trivialities or sometimes nothing at all.

I've gotten a permanent site-wide ban.
I know which comment likely got me banned (a comment I still stand by, I think people who fake serious disorders for clout are the dregs of society and I didn't word my post diplomatically), but logically I ought to be banned only from the sub where I 'offended'. Instead for some reason I got blanket-banned which pisses me off, because my main reason for going to the drug subs I was on (totally unrelated subjects) was to give HR advice and also was gathering some feedback on a survey I was constructing.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Plus the mods are all fragile egos on a power trip. You can get bans for absolute trivialities or sometimes nothing at all.

I've gotten a permanent site-wide ban.
I know which comment likely got me banned (a comment I still stand by, I think people who fake serious disorders for clout are the dregs of society and I didn't word my post diplomatically), but logically I ought to be banned only from the sub where I 'offended'. Instead for some reason I got blanket-banned which pisses me off, because my main reason of going to the drug subs I was on (totally unrelated subjects) was to give HR advice and also was gathering some feedback on a survey I was constructing.

I spent the last several years educating people on why heroin should be legal on Reddit, under my "LegalizeHeroinNOW" account. I had like 20k karma points.

And then some loser conservative started an argument with me, trying to justify police brutality. He kept commenting at me to the point where he was just harassing me. So I reported his ass for "harassment" to get him to shut up. And reddit came back & was like "We didn't find any violations blah blah blah".

At one point I said "isn't there a boot you should be under right now?" (basically another way of calling him a boot licker). And this got me a site-wide ban for "encouraging violence". Are you fucking KIDDING me!?! Of course they wouldn't accept my appeals either.

And then to top it off, after I got banned, they came back & said "oh we were wrong about that guy harassing you, we did find that it violated our TOS".
Like oh, well I'm so glad you guys decided to do something about it after banning ME for absolutely nothing.

Fuck reddit. It's still a useful website to peruse information & see what masses of people are talking about. But maybe it's a good thing that I can't comment anymore. Saves me the stress of dealing with idiotic people. Unfortunately it does irk me when I read something stupid somebody said & I can't correct them. lol

 

[-=SS=-]

And this got me a site-wide ban for "encouraging violence". Are you fucking KIDDING me!?! Of course they wouldn't accept my appeals either.

I got my 5th and final strike on Twitter for telling someone - Owen Jones if I remember correctly - that they should punch themselves in the face. Apparently that is 'inciting violence'.

 

[kongoman]

I spent the last several years educating people on why heroin should be legal on Reddit, under my "LegalizeHeroinNOW" account. I had like 20k karma points.

And then some loser conservative started an argument with me, trying to justify police brutality. He kept commenting at me to the point where he was just harassing me. So I reported his ass for "harassment" to get him to shut up. And reddit came back & was like "We didn't find any violations blah blah blah".

At one point I said "isn't there a boot you should be under right now?" (basically another way of calling him a boot licker). And this got me a site-wide ban for "encouraging violence". Are you fucking KIDDING me!?! Of course they wouldn't accept my appeals either.

And then to top it off, after I got banned, they came back & said "oh we were wrong about that guy harassing you, we did find that it violated our TOS".
Like oh, well I'm so glad you guys decided to do something about it after banning ME for absolutely nothing.

Fuck reddit. It's still a useful website to peruse information & see what masses of people are talking about. But maybe it's a good thing that I can't comment anymore. Saves me the stress of dealing with idiotic people. Unfortunately it does irk me when I read something stupid somebody said & I can't correct them. lol

I was banned on reddit I dont know why!!
THey said I was sourcing but nothing about reality. I cant remember what I posted but I didnt understand why they banned me.
BL much better!