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Health any schizophrenics have exp. with DMT?

Are you suggesting that any appreciable amount of them are?

I don't know how many of them are. I do know that every human being is an individual and is worthy of an inquiry before being judged or 'diagnosed' as mentally ill, and and shouldn't be judged or characterized according to stereotypes or pure generalizations.

You also might want to read up on some transpersonal psychiatry:

http://jppr.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/8/1/12?view=full&pmid=9888104

And specifically look at the parts about differential diagnosis, Wilber pre/trans fallacy etc. etc.
 
elemenohpee said:
Are you trying to convince me that all schizos are merely buddhists who don't know how to explain themselves properly? This isn't the issue here.

You're right, it's not the issue here.... at all.
 
gloggawogga said:
So basically you think your culture is better than some other culture? Right? I mean if someone understands 'god' in the way people in India do, you call them "silly", but if one understands 'god' in the way Christians do its OK. Right?
No. They are equally as deluded although many psychedelic users tend to fancy the eastern religions.


gloggawogga said:
I really don't see what your coming into this thread and calling someone's religion "silly" is contributing to this thread. I also don't see the need to have you impose your cultural norms on the rest of us, even if its the norm for the majority of the poeple who post here. This is an international forum.
I didn't bring it up again but it's simply my opinion.


gloggawogga said:
You don't have any psuedosceinces in the West? So?
Of course and it's heavily criticisized by science often and from what I've read it's well accepted among the science institutions that Vedic science is the true science not pseudoscience.


Thank you for your ethical and moral consideration of others which I clearly failed to demonstrate.
 
They are equally as deluded....

Your personal opinion. Nothing else. Others may believe you're deluded.

I didn't bring it up again but it's simply my opinion.

You have your opinion about spirituality and others have their opinions about spirituality. But you come in here calling poeple "silly", "deluded", telling them to stop, etc. etc.

Thank you

You're welcome.
 
Of course and it's heavily criticisized by science often and from what I've read it's well accepted among the science institutions that Vedic science is the true science not pseudoscience.

True... among western science institutions ;)
 
I have met many people in psych wards who think they have powers of God or that they are god. Whats so wrong with that. I thought i was doing some kind of work for Johannes Itten, an artist from the Bahaus once and i thought i could see his spirit transcend into mine. Theres no need to critisize schizophrenics man cause eventually with the right help and well minded people in their reach they might actually get over it. Have a look at the LSD for treatment in psychotherapy. Do you actually think ideas like that would work if they had negative statements about their beliefs being said around them. Some days i feel like my skin is being cut and burnt by the devil himself but i dont give up hope that it is just an illusion and so meeting these kind of people sometimes brings me some laughter or content that there is pure and positive people out there for some reason, be it to help or just to help themselves through life.
PS sorry i dont know how to do quotes but you know who im talking to.
 
I take it back. Sorry, i dont think anyone actually did. I was just putting a positive perspective on those who think they are god. From my experience they are not as scarry as those who think they are the devil.
 
I saw a post somewhere posted by someone in some thread, about a woman who went blind at the age of 8, and smoked DMT when she was older and could see... read a newspaper to prove to people she could see and it only lasted as long as the DMT,

Well that is interesting as FUCK, and just like this, worthy of research! If its true, which I don't doubt, I can't find the post.. but it was somewhat recent.
 
i saw a post of yours the other day where you said your dmt experience gave you confidence and stuff, and then another post where you said you wouldn;t touch it again. what happened?
 
^^ aklsdjf;lk what?? never touch it again?

If you read an old early trip report of mine, maybe I should edit it to say that I figured out that PIRACETAM was causing some major fucked up stuff to happen with DMT, I was taking piracetam daily and it would usually happen when the piracetam was peaking - it was downright scary, I thought it was some spirits giving me a message to "not abuse DMT" or something - but, i was wrong :) and so i no longer take piracetam generally although I have as long as i'm not going to be using any externally added DMT supplementation.

It was scary enough where once I found the cause, i'm not all that keen on taking piracetam anymore it just did not feel "right", as I believe DMT is a neurotransmitter regulating important functions normally it just.. felt wrong.

Off thee 'racetam's though and DMT is 110% , well, GOOD ;) . DMT is the kind of thing I would share with anyone without fear, because well... everyone likes it (i'd say 100% of people except one dude that just said "uh i like heroin better").

Confidence that takes a shit on MDMA or anything else, thats for sure %-)
 
B240C said:
but if its already uncovered how much worse can it make that condition?

i would say that DMT can't make it much worse.
basically because it lasts only a short time. and it's intense, but doesn't leave very much permanent imprint. "they" can make you trip bad, but not much more i believe... but when i was schizo i only had experiences with salvia and other psychedelics, not with DMT.

but i wouldn't try LSD... especially outside a psychological environment.
because the trip is so long, one has a lot of time to repeat bad imprintings to his mind all the time. which can make everything worse.
that's what i experienced. my schizophrenia got a lot deeper on/after one certain LSD trip.

but probably mainly because i woke it up again while i tried to reprogram my mind in a way that seemed to be useful but wasn't. (that's what i took the LSD for...). i didn't even want my schizophrenia to go away, because i didn't think i was ill.
after that trip i was schizo every day, for months... before it was only casually, especially when smoking weed..

if the intention during the trip is getting a different point of view on your illness and maybe find solutions it might even have positive effects i believe. but i'm sure it's not as easy as it sounds like.

elemenohpee said:
But this is what schizophrenics believe when they claim to be god.

i didn't believe to be god. only maybe part of god... but i believed to have supernatural powers. like telekinetic influence on traffic lights and stuff :P or being the master of coincidence... and i was very special.... like the most special person on the planet. the ONE... who eventually will open up transdimensional gates to higher dimensions and parallel worlds for humanity, to make them synchronize with higher frequencies of consciousness and evolve to the next level... 8)
 
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nagual77 said:
the ONE... who eventually will open up transdimensional gates to higher dimensions and parallel worlds for humanity, to make them synchronize with higher frequencies of consciousness and evolve to the next level... 8)

Can't wait for a tear in the fabric to let alien insects through to do battle with our beatles. Species displacement wont even have shit on ideological displacement. Who could be insane enough to bring a hammer down on that blasting cap? Oprah
 
yaesutom said:
^^ aklsdjf;lk what?? never touch it again?

If you read an old early trip report of mine, maybe I should edit it to say that I figured out that PIRACETAM was causing some major fucked up stuff to happen with DMT, I was taking piracetam daily and it would usually happen when the piracetam was peaking - it was downright scary, I thought it was some spirits giving me a message to "not abuse DMT" or something - but, i was wrong :) and so i no longer take piracetam generally although I have as long as i'm not going to be using any externally added DMT supplementation.

It was scary enough where once I found the cause, i'm not all that keen on taking piracetam anymore it just did not feel "right", as I believe DMT is a neurotransmitter regulating important functions normally it just.. felt wrong.

Off thee 'racetam's though and DMT is 110% , well, GOOD ;) . DMT is the kind of thing I would share with anyone without fear, because well... everyone likes it (i'd say 100% of people except one dude that just said "uh i like heroin better").

Confidence that takes a shit on MDMA or anything else, thats for sure %-)


must have had the chronology wrong, my mistake :)
 
yaesutom,

I posted about the blind woman...

Very, very interesting reading this... I have also heard good things about DMT helping schizophrenics... but never what seems to be a cure!


Julian.
 
People who smoke DMT commonly come to an understanding that they are 'god'... actually accepting this and coming to terms with it as a reality seems to help many people inordinately...

Schizophrenic people (or those diagnosed with bi-polar disorder) are often fighting a battle within themselves...one side may represent spirit and the wondrous and fantastic other side the rational, the ordinary and normal... both sides often seem a bit exaggerated... at least this is my experience of some friends of mind diagnosed with bi-polar (a watered down diagnosis of schizophrenia basically!)

I could certainly see how DMT could allow the two sides to come to peace and union... powerful, powerful medicine it can be...


Julian.
 
folias said:
People who smoke DMT commonly come to an understanding that they are 'god'... actually accepting this and coming to terms with it as a reality seems to help many people inordinately...

careful with that word "god"
 
if a schizophrenic takes god to mean "the universe" andrelizes he is part of god, then thats fine. if he thinks hes God, then that's ridiculous
 
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