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Health any schizophrenics have exp. with DMT?

elemenohpee said:
A schizophrenic cured? Sounds pretty newsworthy to me. I'd be interested to hear what his doctor has to say about all this.
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definitely, this would indeed be quite ground breaking. to good to be true? the skeptic in me leans that way, but you never know.

even if his doctor did take notice, few in his or her position would risk scrutiny from their piers and superiors by even suggesting that a psychedelic drug might contain therapeutic properties. As much as science claims to be non-biased, scientists are still people, and as such are vulnerable to ego, corruption, and every other human frailty. Society isn't ready to accept these drugs as anything more than a dead end for the weak-willed.

I find it ironic however that anything the FDA approves the public will consume without question, when in reality nobody knows the possible long-term side-effects of SSRI's for example, as they have been around for less time than MDMA (Shulgin first synthesized MDMA in 1976 if I'm not mistaken; Prozac and its related SSRI compounds introduced in 1988), and some for less time than some of the newest RCs available. Yet millions consume them daily, without question. I just have to sit back and laugh at humanity sometimes, we are such silly creatures. Double standards anyone? We have plenty to go around...

^sorry, I'm fucked up and waisting time (starting NYE a little early I guess), not to take the thread off course, damn tangents

*edit: I don't know why the eye-roll emoticon appears in the date I just typed, I even edited it by just erasing and re-typing it, but it won't go away--though there was no emoticon inserted to edit anyway. some strange glitches on this site lately. lost a couple posts when my browser would suddenly shut off without warning...only on this site, I hope big brother isn't trying to fuck shit up again, wouldn't doubt it was the feds during the last time we had to have our passwords reset due to an unauthorized access to a moderator's account. So yah, keep a look out guys, hope they don't launch an attack or something<<sorry again I'm really fucked up, probably should stop posting now.
 
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subdefy said:
I wonder if we tried out smoking a nice fat hit of DMT while ontop of a 7 day methamphetamine psychosis. I wonder if it would clear out the voices and hallucinations.

Anyone up for an experiment? The downside is you could have a psychotic break and loose touch of reality and think of all sorts of fun delusions.
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shit ive been there. completely insane took over 2 months to get back to no voices and me gaining touch wit reality. but if i get a meth bomb now a days, or even some ephedrine or something, it sends me right back to pyschosis. but not even half as bad as when i entered rehab. i was a complete and utter mess. shit. im glad i get clean MDMA. but i should probably stop my drug use all 2gether but its so hard.
 
it's hard to even say that schizophrenia is really 'one' disease - the behavioral and biological expressions of the disease vary widely from person to person. one basic comparison is 'negative' versus 'positive' symptoms, where the former term describes subtractive symptoms/behaviors such as a neglect for personal hygiene or a lack of basic inhibiton; the latter term is used for schizophrenic manifestations that are additive in some way, like visual or auditory hallucinations. some schizophrenics have a little from column a and a little from column b, while others have exclusively one or the other. what i'm trying to say here is that it's essentially meaningless to evaluate whether DMT would be good for your friend (or any individual) without knowing a little bit about how *his* schizophrenia is expressed. is he someone who is more prone to schizophrenic 'episodes' that occur in between periods of more 'normal' behavior, or is he someone who has to be heavily sedated and taken care of so that he doesn't hurt himself or others?

dissociatives and their chemical friends are, by default, a risky drug for anyone with any disease/disorder that predisposes them to losing touch with reality. i think that there are certain individuals who could certainly take it and enjoy it, but frankly, it's just kind of a stupid risk to take. drugs effect every individual differently in every population, and they are always a risk for everyone, because we can't predict the future and we really don't know a goddamn thing about the nature of consciousness.
that said, it is ESPECIALLY risky for schizophrenics and other people who are predisposed towards losing control of their actions and awareness. if you, without drugs, cannot distinguish reality from delusion, why would you want to fuck around with something that adds more uncertainty to your world? your brain already dissociates enough on its own, without your control. that is the nature of the disease, and that is the nature of this drug - you take DMT to experience subconscious desires, to lose yourself and see something greater, to explore - but chances are, if you're schizophrenic, it's kind of like you've been unwittingly getting dosed with DMT your whole life, except you don't know that it's going to be over in ten minutes and you don't get choice about whether or not you want it.

i mean, in my personal experience, DMT is pretty safe. it's a fucking powerful drugs, but it's not the sort of thing that's supertoxic or superaddictive and superlikely to turn you into a gutter junkie.
my best DMT experience was actually when i was truly fucked up on benzos, depression, and percoset - i received a message that, years later, is still meaningful for me. but that doesn't mean it couldn't have just as easily gone the other way - and i'm your garden variety bipolar/anxiety type. i have the capacity to be truly.fucking.crazy. but in general, i feel like most of my 'disorders' are really just personality traits that aren't socially acceptable. sure, my moods are all over the place, i'm socially incompetent, i'm simultaneously misanthropic and clingy as a motherfucker - but those things, to me, are 'me.' those are the sort of things we're taught need to be medicated. so when i actually *do* lose it and go into a 'schizophrenic episode,' it's usually a really bad fucking scene. because when it's over and i'm back to 'me,' i know that i'm really uncomfortable knowing that i was just doing things that i don't remember, that i didn't want, that i didn't name. i imagine most people with severe psychotic disorders are kind of like that all the time, or most of the time - and i'm so happy it happens to me as rarely as it does, i would never think of suggesting DMT to someone who feels like that all the time.

the state of our mind and our psyche is fluid. your friend's trip may have calmed him down once, but the next time, his brain could be wearing a different electrical/chemical outfit, and there's absolutely no way to know that he would respond as he did before. he could try to kill himself, he could try to burn your house down, he could find himself trapped in a darkness he can't escape from. i f he's doing pretty well right now, it's definitely NOT WORTH THE RISK to be giving him DMT therapy.

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Well, i have schizophrenia and i have had DMT, low dose only. I have had better visuals when experiencing psychosis, and am unsure of trying a larger dose of DMT to see the effects. I had no mental side effects from the DMT but i felt physically tired. So far so good and no grandiose thoughts from the DMT visuals. I often experience grandiose thoughts when developing psychosis and then the visuals, sometimes voices and hallucinations follow. I am taking Abilify for my schizophrenia and have almost no side effects, besides my fingers twitching and a weird cramp under my tounge every so often. As for Cojentin, i hate the stuff. It gave me muscle cramping and restlessness in my legs so they prescribed valium for that. Id rather put up with the side effects of Abilify.
 
^DMT the neurostabiliser, not for visuals or grandiouse thoughts development in DSMIV cases - for healing the rift that requires the antipsychotics maintanance in the first place, and must be administered in a therapeutic environment under knowledgable guidance.

were you off the meds when you tried DMT, or on a course? the 'side effects' of Abilify you are experiencing are a misnomer, indeed they are some of the primary effects - as w/all antipsychotics, and may/will include iatrogenic parkinsonism and TD.

explore alternatives, if you can communicate in written word, you are not alone.
 
I just sat down and read this entire thread from start to end. I have a few comments.

First of all, Yaesutom, I think that's really great about your friend, and I hope he continues to get better. I tend to agree with you in that mental disorders are really a thing that we understand very little about. Of course, some people are undeniably fucked up and cannot function in society, so we cannot totally disregard this state. However, I think that by labelling groups of symptoms together under a single blanket name as is currently the case is pretty misleading. For things like depression, ADD/ADHD, and others, too often people are just diagnosed with these "disorders" and given drugs, and sent on their way. For example, my girlfriend was diagnosed with it at an early age, and did very poorly in school all throughout. Then she got to college, and you know what? She realized that she has rather atypical learning patterns, and none of her previous teachers had ever approached her in a way that made sense to her, for her brain. Now, she gets straight As, because of a combination of starting to smoke cannabis with a lot of thought, which has caused her to realize that what happens in her brain is her responsiblity, and under her control. And I think that's a really good message to take away from this thread. Of course some people have mental disorders. BUT, the brain is the most powerful tool on the planet, and as is evidenced in countless examples (such as the control over their bodies that eastern monks can achieve through meditation), and if you are able to dedicate yourself and take responsiblity for your thoughts, and understand the way your brain works, you can realize that these conditions are not absolutes, but just obstacles to work through. Surely this can be done without the aid of psychedelics - however, psychedelic can be useful for this since, when used correctly, they can help one to get a new perspective on things.

Also, although I agree that most doctors got into the business to help people and truly believe they're doing the right thing, I firmly believe that the pharmaceutical companies do NOT have our best interest at heart, and the doctors are fed all kinds of information that originates from these companies. The overprescription of antipsychotics and antidepressants is, to me, a terrible travesty. Of course they're going to be necessary or at least inevitable for some people, but for many others they make things far worse. But doctors are practically just handing them out like candy.

Anyway, this hits a nerve with me, because personally I was suffering from an increasingly deep and dark depression from about 2 years ago until about 6 months ago. I bit the bullet after thinking about it for a long time, and decided to try some self-therapy catalyzed by psychedelics... it happened to be 2C-T-2. I actually have a report about this in the trip reports forum. I had had experience previously with psychedelics, including an amazingly eye-opening +4 on mushrooms as my first trip ever. Through my psychedelic therapy, I was able to view my ego as distinct entities from me, and understand how the various aspects of my self interact in order to create this problem for me. Additionally, I realized that a lot of me depression actually stemmed from the fact that my entire spiritual belief system was catalyzed by my first mushroom trip, due to the truth I found myself living through. When years went by without being able to re-achieve that state, I began to doubt myself, and this created a serious existential crisis for me. By revisiting the world of psychedelics, I was able to understand these things and move on. My depression was instantly lifted after this single session, and it hasn't returned other than ordinary times of feeling down for various reasonw hcih we all have sometimes. My point is, had I gone to a psychiatrist or something, they'd have put me on this or that SSRI, but what I needed was not a deadening of emotions. In fact, I needed the opposite - to let my emotions free, and to express myself in the way that was healthy. Not to induce apathy, but to re-introduce wonder and joy. Of course this is not the same as schitzophrenia, but I thought I'd add my experience.

As it stands, there are many documented studies of using psychedelic to help treat mental disorders, of course performed under medical supervision in most cases. I don't have time to look right now as I haven't slept all night and desperately need to, but I've read of cases of LSD and others causing profound changes for the better in disorders including varioius mforms of schizophrenia (but mostly the catatonic variety I believe), autism, depression, ADD/ADHD, and more. Although I would not advise anyone to do what yaesutom did, I don't think we should just discount the potential of psychedelics in psychotherapy just because modern medicine thinks it's a bunch of mumbo jumbo. I think that to do that would be a terrible oversight of some of the most powerful tools for the mind that exist. And certainly bettering a condition through honest self-analysis and a fresh perspective is much healthier than chronically using drugs with dubious safety and nasty side effects that mask the problem rather than fixing it. I repeat, using psychedelics AS A PART OF PROFESSIONAL THERAPY is definitely something we should study more. Personally, I did it myself, but I wouldn't recommend anyone else do that. it's just that given the legal status and stimga of these drugs in the modern world (especially USA), you can't do it that way.

And also, I've noticed that some of the posters here seem to regard the effects of psychedelics as just drug delusions that can't ever be real. This is an attitude that most people have, and while you should certainly take what you learn with a grain of salt or two, I truly do believe that psychedelics aren't just making us hallucinate, but that they unlock parts of our brain that are not normally activated, and they cause us to perceive the same reality, and our selves, in new but equally real ways. It would be inadvisable to live your life constantly tripping, for sure, because to function in society you can't be doing that. But going into the rabbit hole occasionally can allow one to see that everything isn't so set in stone and absolute as people believe, and that the brain can do anything. You re-emerge with some brand new perspective and zest for life. But is this a delusion? I think not... of course others may disagree, and to you I say, perhaps you've never had a peak experience, that truly life-changing and world-shattering experience that you cannot deny.

Ahh, I should go to sleep. Hopefully this was coherent, but I HAVE been up all night. Great topic, yaesutom, and good luck with your friend.
 
nanobrain said:
^DMT the neurostabiliser, not for visuals or grandiouse thoughts development in DSMIV cases - for healing the rift that requires the antipsychotics maintanance in the first place, and must be administered in a therapeutic environment under knowledgable guidance.

were you off the meds when you tried DMT, or on a course? the 'side effects' of Abilify you are experiencing are a misnomer, indeed they are some of the primary effects - as w/all antipsychotics, and may/will include iatrogenic parkinsonism and TD.

explore alternatives, if you can communicate in written word, you are not alone.
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I was on medication when i tried DMT.I was diagnosed 8 years ago and currently i am taking Abilify, as you know and have been on it for 6 months. I have tried so many other a/p drugs, some didnt work, some did really well untill i binged on ecstasy and got psychotic again. Others have kept me stable even after using drugs. I am taking 25mg of Abilify reduced from 30 due to side effects.

I did have some of the thoughts that trigger my psychosis but i recognised them and started thinking about something else although this was after the initial effects of the DMT had worn off.(half an hour/1 hour.)
 
Well i forgot about this thread for a while, i might as well update.

There's not really much to say other than, my friend is doing totally fine - no voices, not even one, since he toked the DMT. But, he's still taking the anti-psychotic which i should remind him (or suggest more often..) maybe he should start trying to taper down if he doesn't need it - because that drug without the schizophrenia/voices is causing all kinds of trouble for him at work, moving around, tiredness etc etc etc.

I don't know how many of you clicked on that or those studies i posted links to way up in the thread, there was one theory (i think)/paper about **low dose** DMT being used as an anti-anxiety drug and anti-psychosis - which i fully believe. I'm sure nanobrain and a couple others with a lot of DMT experience know what i'm talking about.. **low doses**!.

I probably typed this up there somewhere too but I did once go on a huge druggie binge during this party weekend where we live, lots of tripping on various things and ending with sleep deprevation and some snorted MDA powder. All of us who had stayed up so long started seeing the "shadow people" and hearing voices that weren't there, reminded me of the one time i stayed up too long on stimulants, i'd just call it a mild psychosis we were all probably having. Wierd minor delusions and the voices were distracting, and well I found a single **low dose** toke off the DMT pipe totally killed all signs of it. This was almost a year ago but i was in a situation where i had to drive home (wasn't tripping anymore, just the "psychosis" like stuff), and well i just took a single small toke about every 10 to 15 minutes to clear it all up and its exactly what it did and i got home and crashed.

I mean i really did totally 99+% expected a small toke of DMT would help out my friend, it would've suprised me if it didnt help with the muscle tension from the anti-psychotic at least. Never planned the huuuge toke he took but well he helped himself to the bowl unexpectedly etc..

Last time i talked to him on the phone he just said yep.. still no more voices.. definitely makes me glad, hopefully he'll eventually just try slowly weaning off the geodeon (or whatever drug it is) and see how he is.

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I was kinda suprised i got so many negative (well, not necessarily i guess) responses even though .. it.. worked on him. I've read so much on things like children with schizophrenia, throwing their shit all over the walls at a psych ward getting a few sessions of high dose LSD and/or mushrooms and tnen saying things like "i feel loved now" and able to go back to regular public schools and such. Then all the successful psychedelic therapy that used to go on before the drug war ramped up this damn high. LSD, MDMA, all of it, of course because of this awful war we're mostly so damn warped against this kind of stuff - the anti drug propaganda..did get to us, doesnt' matter if we're on a "drug forum" or not, people just don't know usually.

It just kinda blows my mind (probably just because of the way i think differently about a lot of these things) how many people on a psychedelic forum or rec. reational drug forums are so in support of these damn anti-psychotics, SSRI's, and all the rest. I'm not saying they are bad, but certain things are so damn obvious to me, how is a drug company going to make any money at all with psychedelics? none. But, if you gotta pop a pill everyday that cost a fuckton of money, well .... thats why we have prozac and blah blah blah which .. well i'm just ranting but you get what i'm saying.

I mean its almost 'funny', living life, seeing almost EVERYONE on some drugs, but, people, even *illegal drug users* still like to separate their prescription drugs from the others, even though most of these newer approved drugs haven't been tested in the long term.

Blah.. i need some sleep :).
 
yaesutom said:
It just kinda blows my mind (probably just because of the way i think differently about a lot of these things) how many people on a psychedelic forum or rec. reational drug forums are so in support of these damn anti-psychotics, SSRI's, and all the rest. I'm not saying they are bad, but certain things are so damn obvious to me, how is a drug company going to make any money at all with psychedelics? none. But, if you gotta pop a pill everyday that cost a fuckton of money, well .... thats why we have prozac and blah blah blah which .. well i'm just ranting but you get what i'm saying.

I mean its almost 'funny', living life, seeing almost EVERYONE on some drugs, but, people, even *illegal drug users* still like to separate their prescription drugs from the others, even though most of these newer approved drugs haven't been tested in the long term.
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You're preaching to the converted, buddy! It makes no sense to me how SSRIs, antipsychotics, benzos, and alcohol are legal and socially accepted, yet psychedelics of any kind are one of the most stigmatized things/activities there is. SSRIs and antipsychotics do help some people, it's true. But I can't tell you how many people I've known or met who have gotten really fucked up due to extreme depersonalization, apathy, and lack of joy and imagination due to SSRIs particularly. And besides, although these people are chemically imbalanced, I think that eatern philosphy and practice has shown us (though many westerners do not believe it and consider it silly) that our brains coupled with personal discipline and control can allow us to achieve anything within ourselves, without medication.

And alcohol, the single most stupefying drug. The first thing it affects is your ability to tell you're severely affected, and the second is your higher thought and reasoning. It completely fucks you up to the point where you have no control whatsoever over yourself, plus it's very physically addictive. It turns people into stupid slobs over many years of addiction, partly because it kills more brain cells than most other drugs (particularly psychedelics). There's also nothing to be gained from it - it's pure hedonistic destruction.

Despite all of this, alcohol is socially acceptable, even expected of you at certain points when you're young. But psychedelics (including cannabis) are still seen as a terrible menace, that will inevitably result in insanity, brain damage, and emotional trauma. When in fact they are just very powerful tools that can be used for bad, yes, if you're irresponsible, but they have the potential to do SO MUCH good. The social programming is such that, even on a psychedelic drugs forum (as you mentioned), there are still a large number of people who do not seem to really believe this fully.

Bah, I also need some sleep! Just ranting a bit, since your post started that thought process in me.
 
yes, you're preaching to the choir, for sure
evenvthe people around here who ARE pro perscription aren't like that because of some weird obligation to the fascism of the economy and the "one mind" thinking (dollar dollar bill yall) like their counterparts, but for the more humane reason that they have friends who have had or have had themselves bad experiences, and believe the drugs to be a medication of them. to me it seems like fixing a broken ankle by not walking on that foot altogether. or maybe, like fixing bad eyesight by gauging out your own eyes...but then again, im an idealist, like my pro-Bush fascist father says.

the jokes on you!
 
Rant!

I'm sorry... but what the fuck is this?
subdefy said:
Believing you are God and thinking it's normal is a bit silly.
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subdefy said:
It's silly to think you are God because that is narcisstic and not true.
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First of all, the biggest problem I have with these quotes is the condescending tone of disapproval. Not true?! Are you abso-fucking-lutely serious? Really, I am stunned! What makes you feel that you are in any kind of position to even begin to know or relay the "facts" regarding who or what "God" is (or is not) to anyone but yourself? My "God" is a chain-smoking, seven-legged giraffe who anally rapes unsuspecting fruit bats while cleaning the shit-encrusted bathrooms of a grungy video rental store on one of Jupiter's fucking moons! What was that? You don't agree? Well that's ever-so-fucking bad because that's what I believe! Go ahead, tell me I am wrong for believing in a different version of a completely intangible concept. I'm sure you know what I'd respond with: FUCK YOU!

This is what drove me from religion. I'm absolutely, 100% sure it is the reason many, many people have negative feelings about religion in general. There is a big difference between thinking something is not true and knowing something is not true. If I said, "I could swallow a 1995 Honda Civic whole," you might respond with: "No, you couldn't. That is not true," and you know what? You would be right, and you'd hear no argument from me! But if I said, "Y'know, I feel sad right now," and you responded with: "No, you don't. That is not true," you would be wrong because there'd be no way for you to fucking know! Just like there's no way for you to know that yaesutom is not his own "God," or that my giraffe is not my "God," or any single piece of shit, motherfucking thing you have ever read or heard about "God" in your entire life is or isn't true!

Whew... I mean, correct me if I am wrong here, but this kind of religious persecution is rediculuous and unacceptable. What proof, regarding the existence of your specific version of "God" and religion, are you're hiding from the world? Obviously you have it, or you wouldn't have made the claims quoted above, right? I could repeat myself a thousand fucking times... Who the fuck are you to tell anyone they are silly for believing a different version of a notion of something that, unconditionally, CANNOT be proven or disproven?! I would like sincere, factual, to-the-point answers to these three simple questions, subdefy:

What is God?

Where is God?

Why does God exist?

Do you know what the funny part is? Anything you might even think to respond with has an equal chance of being totally correct, or totally incorrect! And you know what's even funnier? I would never in my life contemplate telling you that you are silly, or that your answers are wrong, even after I've found myself immensly disgusted with what is quoted above. Take some time and think about that for a little while.

By the way, I am more than happy for your friend's success yaesutom! :)
 
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Amen, brutha! Preach it!

I nominate this post for the inspirational post of the day award! I was going to say something similar the other day but ran out of time, and now I think you've said it much better than I would have.
 
yaesutom: for the record, i am not anti-psychedelics. Its just that they are very powerful drugs, ones that can trigger psychotic episodes in people with a predisposition to these disorders. I'm against complete amateurs administering extremely experimental drugs outside of a professional healthcare facility on someone with a known mental condition. Its great that it worked out, it really is, that doesn;t mean it wasn't an insanely stupid thing to do.
 
nife said:
I'm sorry... but what the fuck is this?First of all, the biggest problem I have with these quotes is the condescending tone of disapproval. Not true?! Are you abso-fucking-lutely serious? Really, I am stunned! What makes you feel that you are in any kind of position to even begin to know or relay the "facts" regarding who or what "God" is (or is not) to anyone but yourself? My "God" is a chain-smoking, seven-legged giraffe who anally rapes unsuspecting fruit bats while cleaning the shit-encrusted bathrooms of a grungy video rental store on one of Jupiter's fucking moons! What was that? You don't agree? Well that's ever-so-fucking bad because that's what I believe! Go ahead, tell me I am wrong for believing in a different version of a completely intangible concept. I'm sure you know what I'd respond with: FUCK YOU!

This is what drove me from religion. I'm absolutely, 100% sure it is the reason many, many people have negative feelings about religion in general. There is a big difference between thinking something is not true and knowing something is not true. If I said, "I could swallow a 1995 Honda Civic whole," you might respond with: "No, you couldn't. That is not true," and you know what? You would be right, and you'd hear no argument from me! But if I said, "Y'know, I feel sad right now," and you responded with: "No, you don't. That is not true," you would be wrong because there'd be no way for you to fucking know! Just like there's no way for you to know that yaesutom is not his own "God," or that my giraffe is not my "God," or any single piece of shit, motherfucking thing you have ever read or heard about "God" in your entire life is or isn't true!

Whew... I mean, correct me if I am wrong here, but this kind of religious persecution is rediculuous and unacceptable. What proof, regarding the existence of your specific version of "God" and religion, are you're hiding from the world? Obviously you have it, or you wouldn't have made the claims quoted above, right? I could repeat myself a thousand fucking times... Who the fuck are you to tell anyone they are silly for believing a different version of a notion of something that, unconditionally, CANNOT be proven or disproven?! I would like sincere, factual, to-the-point answers to these three simple questions, subdefy:

What is God?

Where is God?

Why does God exist?

Do you know what the funny part is? Anything you might even think to respond with has an equal chance of being totally correct, or totally incorrect! And you know what's even funnier? I would never in my life contemplate telling you that you are silly, or that your answers are wrong, even after I've found myself immensly disgusted with what is quoted above. Take some time and think about that for a little while.

By the way, I am more than happy for your friend's success yaesutom! :)
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I'll let people live their delusion.
 
yaesutom said:
It just kinda blows my mind (probably just because of the way i think differently about a lot of these things) how many people on a psychedelic forum or rec. reational drug forums are so in support of these damn anti-psychotics, SSRI's, and all the rest. I'm not saying they are bad, but certain things are so damn obvious to me, how is a drug company going to make any money at all with psychedelics? none. But, if you gotta pop a pill everyday that cost a fuckton of money, well .... thats why we have prozac and blah blah blah which .. well i'm just ranting but you get what i'm saying.
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It seems that you are implying psychedelics are a cure-all b/c of your friends experience with DMT and a few studies with LSD on schizophrenic children which I would love to see references of (not that I doubt it).
 
nife:

obviously god could be anything to anybody. I don;t think that's the issue here. Usually the word god brings with it connotations of the creator, omnipotence, etc.(at least in monotheistic traditions) Even in other religions god is usally seen as divine, is worshipped, etc. So it is quite silly for a human being to think that they are in fact god. The fact that people with mental conditions often think they are god points to the belief being just that, a delusion. So please, spare us the self-righteousness.
 
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