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Health any schizophrenics have exp. with DMT?

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Well thanks guys - and yes, .. uh.. what if i had never posted about this? What if there are some other people scattered around here and there that don't post on internet forums that may have used psychedelics, whether it be DMT, mushrooms, LSD, whatever, and .. uh.. it helped them?

Whats the whole point of my post? Well, I originally posted because I not only had a 'hunch' that this would possibly help him, but also I HAVE read as much as I can (well, really its the fucking internet you can't read ALL of it ;) ) about anything possibly going wrong. I mean, looking at other research, and yes, there is a lot of research, "legit" research if you want to call it that because its been government approved etc., about psychedelics helping, or often "CURING" (if you like to use that word) all KINDS of "mental illnesses".

I found this very interesting, i've read this a long time ago, from maps.org, Treatment of Childhood Schizophrenia Utilizing LSD and Psilocybin",

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v07n3/07318fis.html

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Anyway, hmm, I was going to post a lot more and quote some people, buuuut, erm, well see i've had two syringes I made days back with some sterile ketamine and the other with DPT, and well.. yeah its um, important that i IM them tonight because.. ya know to further my.. , hell, I just wanna try this combination and tonight is a perfect night for it :). hehehe. I will be back of course %)
 
Pleased that it worked for your mate, i reckon that if a person suffering from mental illness wishes to try psychedelics, let them, obviously try to make sure that the dose isn't massive and the set is as right as it can be for them. Well done!
Zophen
 
Based on the facts we know about the relationship between psychedelics and mental disorders, this was quite a stupid idea. If he hadn't smoked the DMT, but was about to, I would strongly advice him not to smoke it. So I'm with subdefy on that one..

But he DID smoke it, and it turned out to be great, for now. I don't think we should draw conclusions from this one person with mild schizophrenia who smoked DMT..
 
This thread is intriguing and, for me, a little tragic. About a year ago, a friend of mine who was Schizophrenic, but misdiagnosed and fucking horror of horrors, put on ADHD medication which only served as others have stated of amphets, to exaggerate his condition, rode his motorcycle into the side of a truck at high speed, dying on impact. I only wish he was still alive today so that I could have the opportunity to see if something like this would have helped alleviate his symptoms.

And fuck oath, to what bluedolphin said, there's the official bluelight line and conventionality, but there are, also people who are willing to experiment and its only through experimentation that new knowledge is attained.

-plaz out-
 
I am glad the guy did not suffer negative consequences from smoking DMT. But there are two points i would like to make in response to this tread.
One point is about the diagnoses. You say this man has "schizophrenia". But what you tell about him sounds like he had an meth induced psychosis. Schizophrenia by definition (that is in the DSM) is a condition where psychosis has to be present over the long term, and in most people is a recurring phenomenon. Did this guy have previous periods of psychosis that did not co-occur with meth use?
If he really has schizophrenia it would also be interesting to know how often he smokes cannabis. If it is several times per week, he might want to consider reducing his use of cannabis. Cannabis has been shown to increase relapses and psychotic symptoms in people diagnosed with schizophrenia.
The second point i would like to make is that i have read the account of treating children with childhood schizophrenia as well, and was very impressed. But you must realize that psychology has changed a lot since the time at wich this research was done (and also other references you mention). And in the field of schizophrenia you must be wary of anyone that says there is a way to "cure"it; psychedelic enthusiasts, and drug companies as well. It is a fact that in some schizophrenia does go away. But for those stuck with it, it would be wise to really be thoughtful in their use of cannabis, amphetamines, and psychedelics.
 
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for a hell lot of schizo's (or most of the ones i have known at least) --> 1 joint a day keeps the hallucinations away , seriously the relation between cannabis & schizofrenia , hasn't been studied well , a lot of people might smoke because they are borderline psychotic , so noone knows if it's a cause or a cure.
 
Bal0n said:
Based on the facts we know about the relationship between psychedelics and mental disorders, this was quite a stupid idea. If he hadn't smoked the DMT, but was about to, I would strongly advice him not to smoke it. So I'm with subdefy on that one..

But he DID smoke it, and it turned out to be great, for now. I don't think we should draw conclusions from this one person with mild schizophrenia who smoked DMT..
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Did the original poster say it was mild schizophrenia?
Zophen
 
DMT is a natural neurotransmitter found in both man, animal and plant and it has many derivates one is the 4-ho, nmt etc. its linked with man and nature and is a link of man and nature as well as the other dimensions its a very spiritual neurotransmitter probably conected with birth, sleep, death cycle where the soul leaves the body and travels to other worldly dimensions
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Yes, DMT has been identified as a neurotransmitter in the human brain, but just because that bit's true, it doesn't follow that the rest of what you say is true (in fact I think it reads as rather confused pseudoscientic new age bollocks).

Yaesutom - I must admit that I'd have been a tad worried about anybody suffering from a psychosis taking a potent psychedelic, but in your friends case, it seems to have helped a lot. Maybe it's not to do with anything biochemical, but due to an insight into the nature of the disease gained by your friend.

Anyhow, I hope it has a long term positive effect for your friend
 
I was typing a long response before and my computer shut down god damn thing lately..

I don't think i mentioned how quite severe its been for over a year. I remember him acting wierd, real wierd, around the onset time. He would be online, talking about how his neighbors have sex 24 hours a day, and they were all "spying" on him, with camera's. When asked why he thought this well i dont remember exactly what he would say but it was wierd.

He'd go on about his psycho neighbors, ... then online eventually he would say lets not talk about this or that, I think the cops have my phone line and internet tapped. He was hearing things, major delusions, and it always somehow related to others ridiculing him or "after him" etc.

I hadn't heard from him in a couple months then he pops online. Said he had to check himself into the hospital / told me the whole story. He was going so crazy he would .. i forget the details but, put up signs on his windows telling the neighbors to stop spying on him, lock the doors in some 'crazy' way where eventually whatever else he did the landlord kicked him out.

After the ... not sure, month at least, maybe two, in the hospital, told him they diagnosed him with paranoid schizophrenia. I remember talking to him and I had to keep reminding him, that the voices don't have any control, they talk 'shit' but they can't do a damn thing about it.

For a while, (we usually just would chat online), well it seemed like he just had to still learn for months what were delusions and how to live with it all. Online, he'd bring up the shit about "we shouldn't talk about that", i'd say why? ... a couple of the voices were "psychic cops". Talking to people like me and others (um, THERAPY not just the tiny tiny bit of info they gave him! and the drugs) would get him to finally realise whats going on.

lol - he said while in the hospital, one of the janitors or someone working was talking to him and just said well tell those fucking voices to suck your dick. So eventually he got a little humorous, said there's 4 distinct voices and the female one that sounded hot he'd always ask out. He had to just.. not let 'them' get to him. Constantly saying he's worthless, and CONSTANTLY saying they are "psychic cops" after him! So yeah, towards the beginning and for months afterwards I couldnt imagine him NOT being on some major drugs for a while.. he said they 'reduced' the voices somewhat, its mainly an overall dumbing down of consciousness (what he describes), they were still there.. but he was sedated enough and shit they wouldn't bother him as much. Any white noise like a fan, etc, would often be a source for the voices.

Now it took some time but he did get quite back to normal, but.. never totally. I remember once him telling me he hasn't heard one voice in 3 weeks, but they'd come back. I'd talk to him about it all the time, i mentioned one night how maybe it could be parts of his own mind (before i read much about it) that got split off, and stayed split off during/after the meth binge. He said thats EXACTLY what it was like, a few small parts of brad separated/seemingly disconnected - but not really because they 'knew' everything he was thinking, doing, going to do, etc.

Really, after he got to where he could go back to work, start living life again, i mean god, i knew there were some side effects from the anti psycnotic drugs but it wasn't until i saw him i knew how horrible they are. He really has not researched this on his own since it happened, we (me and some other close friends of his) were all talking one night about the side effects - so bad, he had to leave work one day (he's actually working for a few wk's out here) just a few days ago because of the muscle rigidity.

I made sure to ask him, related to the DMT you think or no? he said no, whatever DMT did stuck with him so far (7 days now i believe), but after 2-3 days the side effects of the Geodon did come back (he really feels smoking the DMT reduced and almost eliminated all the muscle problems, for a few days, explanation anyone? thats very wierd too). There has always been that feeling in the back of his head, that all the pieces of the puzzle weren't quite in right and so the voices "could come" out, 24/7, if they wanted to i guess. Only after this DMT experience that feeling is totally gone - still the same,

I don't feel like quoting anyone really but yeah this was up to HIM, he had asked about it specifically, so i told him some stuff and printed various info (and no, not "promoting DMT" lol either, a lot of stuff really) - i certainly don't push anyone to do anything, and especially him. He asked me the other day if i had any dexedrine, really I can understand the desire for that kid of thing, going to work, no energy because its all sucked out of you from the anti-psychotic, but couldnt give it to him I mean.. amphetamines.... ya know, at least I personally think its a good idea to stay away from them.

LOL, but yeah, i 'suppose' i shouldn't have left the pipe out, but hey, um, i guess shit happens..and this time it was good shit :) maybe i left it out subconsciously and he decided to toke that motherfucker so hard people let out a "whoa" sound, subconsciously too, ..or something.

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Anyway i'm going to get him to start doing a lot more research on it when he goes back home, get more active with it, instead of pretty much trusting his doctor. I know he doesn't want to live the rest of his life zombied out on that shit.



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yaesutom said:
.. what if i had never posted about this? What if there are some other people scattered around here and there that don't post on internet forums that may have used psychedelics, whether it be DMT, mushrooms, LSD, whatever, and .. uh.. it helped them?
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i always thought hallucinogens helped me and a few other people i knew throught some tough time/problems...so im not even suprised it helped your friend. in fact im very happy you friend had made it this far...what you need to do is have him stop saying those anti-psychotics and see where that takes him...if he still has no voices even after that...well maybe youve found a cure and you need to talk to a drug company representative :D

ps. hell yea! legalized dmt! %)
 
Yes, DMT has been identified as a neurotransmitter in the human brain, but just because that bit's true, it doesn't follow that the rest of what you say is true (in fact I think it reads as rather confused pseudoscientic new age bollocks).

Yaesutom - I must admit that I'd have been a tad worried about anybody suffering from a psychosis taking a potent psychedelic, but in your friends case, it seems to have helped a lot. Maybe it's not to do with anything biochemical, but due to an insight into the nature of the disease gained by your friend.

Anyhow, I hope it has a long term positive effect for your friend
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Yeah not only because of this,
PDF on low dose DMT

(if that doesn't work, here),
PDF low dose DMT

-- but also my personal (yes i know subjective BUT) experience (a lot of) with DMT. None of whats talked about in that PDF file suprised me at all, from not just my own experience but my friends and others locally (a lot of what you'll find on the internet about DMT, experience reports and such, never seem to report much on the other qualities!) - on low doses used to "sober" you up, clear out the mental fog, improve clarity, kill anxiety immediately, etc.

One thing I find real strange, because i've NEVER seen it talked about on the internet, is how DMT enhances SEX so well. Lowish doses orally (or smoked i suppose/intramuscular would last a lot longer though) .. oh god oh god! hehe. I used to think it was just me, whenever DMT would start to kick in taken orally its like i'd be at "half staff" down there, I didn't have to think about sex at all for this to happen , but, as it starts to come on (LOWISH doses..) i'd very often start thinking something sexual.

Even smoked - i'd take a small puff and its like immediately my brain becomes a radar for any cute/sexy girlies anywhere near me. Anyway - people have smoked it for the first time, and said things like "huh, this stuff is horny stuff", or really especially after people smoke it I like to ask things like .. so you think it would be good for sex etc. - overwhelmingly the answers (if not 100%!) are always YES YES! If (usually) I don't ask, sometimes its just not consciously noticed.
//end dmt love rant

His experience, strange, a quick 5-10 minute trip (big toke) almost overwhelming, he just said it felt like all the pieces of his mind (he knows the voices etc are parts of his own mind, sorta separated) fit back together for the first time. Things he never mentioned like the feeling in the back of his head all the time, that the voices "could" always come back, is gone now (been what.. 7..8 days now).

Also, I don't necessarily think it was specifically the DMT alone, but this is the first time he's been back here since it happened, around old friends, etc. Maybe it took a whoop ass from the DMT to click everything back to normal again. I see what that anti-psychotic is doing though, I don't know what dose he's on but its horrible shit.

Therapy, talking, on a regular basis, and weaning off that stuff at the same time hopefully he can do someday.. somehow (he just assumed the doctors knew how to 'treat' this and they.. don't).

So far so good though, although the side effects from the anti-psychotic came back after a couple days (i'd think they'd be reduced for a very short time / 30 mins but not two days). He had to leave work early one day because of becoming too rigid, he said its the drug he's on that does this shit, and nothign to do with the DMT, I guess some days are OK but some are worse / varies a lot..
 
Felt like i'd update this thread,

My friend who toked the DMT pipe is doing great and has been back at home for a coupel months now. I talked to him on the phone recently and he said there are still no voices, there's.. nothing, since that one toke of DMT.
 
thats unreal..

good for your friend though...is he still on anything medication wise?
 
This thread is simply amazing. The amount of synchronicity I experience while reading it is alone enough to indicate that it "flows" with reality big-time.

For example, I just wrote a post now and it got erased because I went "back" in Firefox. Earlier on this thread people were talking about writing posts and having them suddenly disappear. Also, the drug that yaesutoh mentioned his friend was taking is called "cogentin" or something of the sort, and I had been researching that drug earlier tonight. Also, the study he repeatedly mentioned on the 60s experimentatation with LSD on schizophrenic children by Gary Fisher was something I have researched exentively not only VERY recently but throughout the past. I have listened to an interview with Gary Fisher by Psychedelic Salon and the general tone of yaesutoh's posts and his admiration for Baba Ram Dass had me peaked instantly. Finally, the fact that this thread is about amphetamine-induced psychosis (which I had been also researching prior to finding this thread) and that Brad hears "voices" (something I'll get to later) add to the potential for information that this thread has generated.

Enough random banter. I have had a "voice problem" earlier; specifically, at the exact time that my direct, hands-on experimentation with the supernatural peaked in intensity. I conversed with a demon-voice during this time, and since my "personal voice" or my internal self has been plagued with the absolute RIGIDITY of the reality which has been imposed on it. I have often felt the need to kill myself simply due to the horrible inanity that is imposed upon my far-too-creative mind by all these chatterboxes; needless to say, I am probably much more similar to Brad than to most people who dedicated most of their mental power to figuring how to act and behave in a situation in such a way that will best further the goals implemented by the self-satisfying system of society.

This thread has helped to lay to rest many of my personal anxieties. I now really want to fucking try DMT! There's no CHANCE of my finding any around here (maritimes, Canada - wonderland :( ) I've also wanted to - especially because (you know it's been coming) Terence McKenna is one of my favourite fellas. Anyhoo, since it's 3:33 AM here (GOD, why are you so clever?) I'm kind of hazy and I think I'm going to rest my.........confused....little ..reality....thing....forget it. Laziness..

About the voices: I don't have them anymore. They actually stopped a couple weeks ago -they wre "Shadow voices" or whispers, but it took me quite a while to recognize them as very much my own! This was because these whispers would intrude into my consciousness, and they would tell me what I was about to do before I would do it, and they would know exactly what I was always trying to do. For example, if I was ignoring them, they would say "reality nerd" or some shit. Or if I started to just play computer to keep myself busy, they would say "lock-down" or something like that, Basically, my subconscious was speaking to me. It's really nothing to be alarmed about and that's why I didn't scurry off to the medicinist like some Freaked jack-rabbit.

It also happens that these voices arose AFTER I started really putting my energies towards psychic tunnel reality. I think now, with all of my soul and mind and body, that we create EVERY facet of reality and NOW is the time to harness the right that has been deprived of us by a god hell-bent on material creation. I.e...the Archon of Gnostic Christianity. We have a token of the spirit within us and we can use it. We're not just tool-monkeys. It's all a dream. Realistically, constantly reminding yourself that waking life is a dream helps you to experience your dreams more vividly.

A book that relates quite nicely to all of this is The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, by Julian Jaynes. I won't actually say anything about it - search it on Wikipedia if you want - but it's quite good and yaesutoh, maybe your friend Brad should read it to give him a LOT of insight into voices, written by one of those "quacks" who has the gall to not only combine rationalistic and hallucinatory grasps of reality, but also to come up with "theories" that are unlike those that preceded them. Wow. I can't believe some Assholes who are yelling at us hardworkers that the Moon is Real are actually trying to dig something out of the earth.

OK I'll really stop now.

Thanks.
 
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A word of caution

I believe psychedelics can be many things, from useful therapeutic and mind expanding tools, to simply providing the medium for a mind-blowing good time (ie: hedonistic indulgence). But one must also be aware of the risks. Unless you are a trained Doctor and are administering the compound in a controlled clinical setting, than you are quite frankly foolish for treating someone suffering a psychosis with a psychedelic drug (and a very potent one at that). I'm happy the results turned out so seemingly well, but they just as easily could have been devastating.

Psychedelics, even relatively mild ones, can have serious and long lasting side-effects for a small percentage of the population. From my experience the most at risk are those who:

>have a history of mental illness in their family
>are exceptionally bright or exceptionally dim (genius does border on insanity does it not?) and weak minds cannot handle true psychedelics
>have a pre-existing mental disorder, especially schizophrenia or other states of psychosis.
>have a pre-existing brain injury

To illustrate my point I'll tell you about a member of a forum I frequent. Not this site obviously, but one in my hometown that shall remain anonymous. I learned he recently suffered a total mental collapse and nervous breakdown that lasted for several months after consuming one normal dose of LSD. This person has little to no drug history, only nicotine and caffeine with some occasional alcohol. This person is quite frankly a genius, as a quick review of his posts will quickly illustrate. Before age 19 he was fluent in advanced calculous, multiple programming languages, etc. Right after the incident, his posts went from razor sharp wit, cutting commentary, and massive amounts of general and esoteric knowledge to barely coherent run-on sentences. An acquaintance of mine who is a good friend of the person in question was really shook up about it (they dosed together from the same batch--everyone else had a normal trip), saying how he had lost a friend, how he just stares into space and is barely conscious most of time, and so on.

Thankfully, the person in question's intellect seems to be on the mend, and his sharp and cynical humor is showing its face again in his current postings (getting off the meds precsribed him I'm sure has helped his ability to think again).

Encouraging evidence that the mind can heal itself as well, but a fair warning nonetheless.
 
Fwoosh said:
my thoughts exactly... schizophrenia cured by one hit of DMT?

not likely.
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hey, i wasnt saying it couldnt happen..just that its crazy that it did. i wholeheartedly believe him and his friend and hope this might beable to help others in the future. and they said psychadelics wouldnt ever have a place in the mental health feild lol =D
 
I wonder if we tried out smoking a nice fat hit of DMT while ontop of a 7 day methamphetamine psychosis. I wonder if it would clear out the voices and hallucinations.

Anyone up for an experiment? The downside is you could have a psychotic break and loose touch of reality and think of all sorts of fun delusions.
 
I think that some of these psychedelics can do pretty much anything.

as can we
 
A schizophrenic cured? Sounds pretty newsworthy to me. I'd be interested to hear what his doctor has to say about all this.
 
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