Anavar & Fatloss

[bigjoey]

any and all aas will at some point or another fuck with your HPTA.it has to.you're shutting down your own production of test whether you're using exogenous test,test derived aas,DHT derived aas or progesterones/nandrolones.some may aromatize faster/slower or not at all but all will supress it at one point.depending on the length and dosage of the cycle is what will determine how bad you're shut down.

this is the best book i've ever read: CLINICAL CHEMISTRY IN DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT by Joan F. Zilva/P.R. Pannall 4th edition isbn # 0-8151-9870-1

published by Lloyd-Duke,LTD.1984

i found this in an old bookstore in the medical section.i still go to the Rutgers Medical Library from time to time to read up on medical journals as opposed to getting stuff right off of the forums.i suggest anyone who is serious about learning how and why we function go try to find this book.i've only seen it in one other library so i know it's out there.medical journals and reference books are far more helpful than some or most of the sites that offer information on what we're trying to accomplish.

 

[ongos]

regarding the Schwarzenneger days; there was a handbook on steroids that old school bodybuilders got their "bro science" from. I'm not sure what they called it but something like "underground handbook on steroids". Is it just me or Arnold didn't really look as monstrous as the modern bodybuilders these days?

any and all aas will at some point or another fuck with your HPTA.it has to.you're shutting down your own production of test whether you're using exogenous test,test derived aas,DHT derived aas or progesterones/nandrolones.some may aromatize faster/slower or not at all but all will supress it at one point.depending on the length and dosage of the cycle is what will determine how bad you're shut down.

this is the best book i've ever read: CLINICAL CHEMISTRY IN DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT by Joan F. Zilva/P.R. Pannall 4th edition isbn # 0-8151-9870-1

published by Lloyd-Duke,LTD.1984

i found this in an old bookstore in the medical section.i still go to the Rutgers Medical Library from time to time to read up on medical journals as opposed to getting stuff right off of the forums.i suggest anyone who is serious about learning how and why we function go try to find this book.i've only seen it in one other library so i know it's out there.medical journals and reference books are far more helpful than some or most of the sites that offer information on what we're trying to accomplish.

 

[ongos]

the HGH I have came with an instruction and dosing (it's pharmaceutical grade, not blue tops or unlabeled). I relied on bro science regarding taking my Anavar and Test Enanthate since both didn't come with any instructions or dosing.

when it is about steroids broscience is often only what we have in hands. official research in steroids are very stagnant once in a 10 year good review in reputed journal. I'm against BS by all mean, but when amount of BS in official journals quite huge too, what would you expect form street scientists.

so, after cerefuly considering amount of BS everywhere I would not buy into bushing of good valuable steroid like oxandrolone also.

most important index in evaluation of effect of AAS on muscle is myotropic index and oxandrolone myotropic index is 3.2 and because oxandrolone has low androgenic activity index of 0.2. it is not a strong androgen and therefor relatively not suppressive on HTPA.

good read on that subject would be review Pharmacology of anabolic steroids AT Kicman British Journal of Pharmacology 2008

respect

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max..

 

[ongos]

you got a magic pill bro? I knew a guy who took ma huang (ephedra) he has no fat on him by looking at him. Not really sure about it yet till I hear from people here. I read that a 4 week cycle on ephedra is max. I guess the people who had negative side effects while taking it stayed on it too long or was just too fat/too sick to be on it to begin with to see any real results.

Interesting.

I'm lean/fit everywhere including my belly.

Are you living a stressful/stress-filled life? Cortisol encourages fat to be stored in the belly area; and cortisol is released when you are living a stress-filled life.

 

[ongos]

I read 10 mg for women is max. For guys minimum is 50mg. I started with 50mg daily for 3 weeks then on the 4th week I stepped it up to 100mg daily (50mg morning/50mg evening). I'm going into my 6th week now. Not sure if I sprained something on my lower left back or lower left abdominal area (it feels like it's my liver?). Am I doing too much dose of this for too long? I was told 6 weeks is good but others say 8 weeks is still ok. I'd like to go to 8 weeks. I'm not sure if me taking a dietary supplement Milk Thistle has anything to do with this? Guido recommended it to me. It's supposed to cleanse out the liver amongst other things (I looked it up before taking it as well). Anavar (Oxandrolone) should not be "bad" for the liver as you claimed it treats alcoholic hepatitis (meaning it can't be that bad for the liver?). Last year I had my Hep B immunizations, so I think my liver should be in good health. Not really sure what's this I'm feeling. I think it started when I did some sit ups or might have sprained my back doing shoulder shrugs and or when I started taking the Milk Thistle supplement. Could be because I stepped up my dose of HGH from 5 IUs daily to 7 IUs daily? I'm regular. I shit and pee right. Just making sure I'm ok. What signs to look for if my liver might be starting to get affected by all this drugs I'm taking?

anavar still quite useful. it is good for girls - do not cause musculisation. good between cycles too, cause do not suppressive on HTPA. one thing is that any synthetic steroids much better used in stack with some form of testosterone. same quite a true about tren too.

I have done quite a bit of research in the past related to AAS, here is what I found in my archive:

Oxandrolone has an excellent myotrophic activity index of 3.2 and a low androgenic activity index of 0.2. At low doses, oxandrolone will not cause suppression of endogenous testosterone production and does not aromatize to estrogens.

Oxandrolone was approved for treating alcoholic hepatitis, Turner's syndrome, and weight loss caused by HIV. In addition, the drug has shown positive results in treating anemia and hereditary angioedema and for preserving muscle mass in burns patients. Oxandronolne also has been used with good success for idiopathic muscle mass loss and osteoporosis. At low dose (5-10mg), oxandrolone binds weakly to androgen receptors and therefore can be used by woman and does not cause virilisation. Oxandrolone has a half life 10-13 hours.

 

[ongos]

OK. Tren is supposed to raise heart rates. Could that be the reason for the fat loss? Faster the heart beats, faster you burn fat, kinda like running? Anyway, before I started shooting up HGH, I was told by a guy who was told by his doctor that HGH will cause a person to lose weight first then the "gains" will come on the 5th month (out of a 6 month cycle). I'm on my 4th month. Could the reason for my lack of tremendous gains be that I'm losing weight first then the gains will come later? I'm not eating 3000 calories daily. I'd say about 2500 (4-5 meals daily, some snack if that counts). I'm about 162 now, from 160.

Considering you are making little gains on Test and HGH Tren is NOT the gear you are looking for. Once again, it doesn't magically cause muscle to be gained and fat to be lost.

 

[-Guido-]

I read 10 mg for women is max. For guys minimum is 50mg. I started with 50mg daily for 3 weeks then on the 4th week I stepped it up to 100mg daily (50mg morning/50mg evening). I'm going into my 6th week now. Not sure if I sprained something on my lower left back or lower left abdominal area (it feels like it's my liver?). Am I doing too much dose of this for too long? I was told 6 weeks is good but others say 8 weeks is still ok. I'd like to go to 8 weeks. I'm not sure if me taking a dietary supplement Milk Thistle has anything to do with this? Guido recommended it to me. It's supposed to cleanse out the liver amongst other things (I looked it up before taking it as well). Anavar (Oxandrolone) should not be "bad" for the liver as you claimed it treats alcoholic hepatitis (meaning it can't be that bad for the liver?). Last year I had my Hep B immunizations, so I think my liver should be in good health. Not really sure what's this I'm feeling. I think it started when I did some sit ups or might have sprained my back doing shoulder shrugs and or when I started taking the Milk Thistle supplement. Could be because I stepped up my dose of HGH from 5 IUs daily to 7 IUs daily? I'm regular. I shit and pee right. Just making sure I'm ok. What signs to look for if my liver might be starting to get affected by all this drugs I'm taking?

Any 17a oral steroid is bad for the liver. Pain in the abdomen, light colored stool, and dark urine is a sign of liver problems. Also itching of the palms and yellowing of the eyes and skin. Any of those symptoms requires a trip to the hospital.

You probably are just sore.

 

[-Guido-]

OK. Tren is supposed to raise heart rates. Could that be the reason for the fat loss? Faster the heart beats, faster you burn fat, kinda like running? Anyway, before I started shooting up HGH, I was told by a guy who was told by his doctor that HGH will cause a person to lose weight first then the "gains" will come on the 5th month (out of a 6 month cycle). I'm on my 4th month. Could the reason for my lack of tremendous gains be that I'm losing weight first then the gains will come later? I'm not eating 3000 calories daily. I'd say about 2500 (4-5 meals daily, some snack if that counts). I'm about 162 now, from 160.

I think it it has something to do with elevating body temperature and raising IGF-1 levels.

HGH will lean you out on doses under 10iu's. You need to inject 15-20ius to see mass gains from HGH.

You just stated your reason for your lack of tremendous gains- You are only eating 2500 calories. That's not enough calories to gain muscle. You need to eat 3500-4000 calories a day. Some people require more if they are hard gainers.

You got to eat big if you want to put on mass. If I want cereal for breakfast, I eat a whole box. If I want chicken, I eat a whole roasted one. If I want eggs, I crack open 8-10 eggs and cook them up with some ham and cheese. If I want fruit, I eat a bag of apples or a bag of grapes. If I want yogurt, I eat 6 containers.

Gaining two pounds is fucked up on HGH and Testosterone. Start eating more bro. If you have trouble getting calories in get a coffee grinder and grind up steel cut oats into a powder. Add a shitload of it to a few protien shakes during the course of the day.

You need carbs. And you need protien. You bulk now and you can cut later.

 

[bigjoey]

I think it it has something to do with elevating body temperature and raising IGF-1 levels.

HGH will lean you out on doses under 10iu's. You need to inject 15-20ius to see mass gains from HGH.

You just stated your reason for your lack of tremendous gains- You are only eating 2500 calories. That's not enough calories to gain muscle. You need to eat 3500-4000 calories a day. Some people require more if they are hard gainers.

You got to eat big if you want to put on mass. If I want cereal for breakfast, I eat a whole box. If I want chicken, I eat a whole roasted one. If I want eggs, I crack open 8-10 eggs and cook them up with some ham and cheese. If I want fruit, I eat a bag of apples or a bag of grapes. If I want yogurt, I eat 6 containers.

Gaining two pounds is fucked up on HGH and Testosterone. Start eating more bro. If you have trouble getting calories in get a coffee grinder and grind up steel cut oats into a powder. Add a shitload of it to a few protien shakes during the course of the day.

You need carbs. And you need protien. You bulk now and you can cut later.

yes,this is what causes fat loss while on tren.only aas i can take and still eat dirty and stay lean.i can stay the same bodyweight yet drop 2-3% b/f in an 8-10wk period without even trying for it on tren.no cardio,no heavy dieting but it is a harsh and bumby ride for a first timer.just the pinning of it itself will be a shock to yuor system.i still get crazy hot flashes,tightness in the chest and the dreaded tren cough,esp if i happen to knick a nerve or blood supply.it's great but you really gotta be prepared for it.

 

[-Guido-]

yes,this is what causes fat loss while on tren.only aas i can take and still eat dirty and stay lean.i can stay the same bodyweight yet drop 2-3% b/f in an 8-10wk period without even trying for it on tren.no cardio,no heavy dieting but it is a harsh and bumby ride for a first timer.just the pinning of it itself will be a shock to yuor system.i still get crazy hot flashes,tightness in the chest and the dreaded tren cough,esp if i happen to knick a nerve or blood supply.it's great but you really gotta be prepared for it.

Tren is a beast. It makes me sweat pools day and night and the restlessness, anxiety, and rage is sometimes a lot for me to deal with.

 

[MaxTTR]

HGH from 5 IUs daily to 7 IUs daily?

never use GH every day, you just overlapping effect after each single inection. single GH injection will elevate IGF1 for few days. once in 3 day GH is optimal

 

[MaxTTR]

Tren is a beast. It makes me sweat pools day and night and the restlessness, anxiety, and rage is sometimes a lot for me to deal with.

That was the same with me when I first tried tren. then I decided that tren is not for me. I cant take deca for example too. but later I found the way to use tren and it is my favorite for last two years. I mixed it 1:1 with test enath and reduced daily dose. tren mixed with test enanth is totally different kind.

 

[-Guido-]

It's not bad for a first cycle.

It actually is. You shouldn't be dabbling with HGH until you know how to eat and train right. Your gains have been sub par, you wasted a lot of money. Test and an oral is great for a first cycle.

 

[-Guido-]

Regarding EC and ECA stack; which one have you all tried for fat loss? EC stands for ephedra and caffeine. ECA stands for ephedra, caffeine, and aspirin. These are being sold as dietary supplements online. I was told the aspirin is not needed but for heart attack prevention with the use of ephedra, is it best to use ECA then? Aspirin is there for a reason you know?

Get your diet in check before you start using anything to lose fat. Stop taking shorcuts.

 

[ongos]

I always knew of HGH as a daily injectable. Your bro science is confusing me. I was already in it for the past 3-4 months daily so I can't back out now till I finish my cycle. I know for women 8 IUs weekly is supposed to be ok. It's not for bulking with them, it's for health benefits stuff.

never use GH every day, you just overlapping effect after each single inection. single GH injection will elevate IGF1 for few days. once in 3 day GH is optimal

 

[ongos]

not sure if I could handle tren considering that I have anxiety issues already that I've been able to manage. How's your dosage weekly? I know tren comes in either 75mg or 100mg. Is 75mg weekly too low?

Is Test Enanthate, Tren, and Anavar a good stack? I thought no one should use/mix 2 injectables, or I'm confusing it with 2 orals at the same time?

That was the same with me when I first tried tren. then I decided that tren is not for me. I cant take deca for example too. but later I found the way to use tren and it is my favorite for last two years. I mixed it 1:1 with test enath and reduced daily dose. tren mixed with test enanth is totally different kind.

 

[ongos]

I don't have these symptoms, but anavar is supposed to be the safest of all oral 17a steroids.

Any 17a oral steroid is bad for the liver. Pain in the abdomen, light colored stool, and dark urine is a sign of liver problems. Also itching of the palms and yellowing of the eyes and skin. Any of those symptoms requires a trip to the hospital.

You probably are just sore.

 

[ongos]

tren sounds dangerous. lol. what's the weekly dosing like? none of you ever mentioned your doses.

yes,this is what causes fat loss while on tren.only aas i can take and still eat dirty and stay lean.i can stay the same bodyweight yet drop 2-3% b/f in an 8-10wk period without even trying for it on tren.no cardio,no heavy dieting but it is a harsh and bumby ride for a first timer.just the pinning of it itself will be a shock to yuor system.i still get crazy hot flashes,tightness in the chest and the dreaded tren cough,esp if i happen to knick a nerve or blood supply.it's great but you really gotta be prepared for it.

 

[MaxTTR]

not sure if I could handle tren considering that I have anxiety issues already that I've been able to manage. How's your dosage weekly? I know tren comes in either 75mg or 100mg. Is 75mg weekly too low?

Is Test Enanthate, Tren, and Anavar a good stack? I thought no one should use/mix 2 injectables, or I'm confusing it with 2 orals at the same time?

dont take it so direct and personal it is just FYI that tren and test are good combination, even seems like there is no scientific explanation why it is so.

my personal situation looks like very far from what you are pursuing, I do not have regular schedule for tren+test mix, when I like I inject, I cant say how much MGs in there, because I mixed it my self about one year ago and I forget now, what was MGs there. it is very small amount I'm sure total about 50mg of mix per injection. that is when tren really good it is strong steroid and I personally can get a good boost even from small dose.

 

[-Guido-]

I always knew of HGH as a daily injectable. Your bro science is confusing me. I was already in it for the past 3-4 months daily so I can't back out now till I finish my cycle. I know for women 8 IUs weekly is supposed to be ok. It's not for bulking with them, it's for health benefits stuff.

It ain't bro science. You can actually inject HGH a few times a week if you want and still get the benefits.