Anavar & Fatloss

[ongos]

I probably would not touch it if the risk is too great. I'm still only on my first cycle so you never know.

I looked it up, it's 500 times stronger than testosterone (must be an exaggeration?). that's crazy. I don't feel the power of Test Enanthate (I'm on my 4th week cycle) so I can imagine what Tren Acetate must be. I think I gained weight from 154 to 160 and rising. I've been eating so it's no surprise. I see the Tren Acetate come in 75 mg and 100mg per vial. Will the on cycle/post cycle be similar to a Test Enanthate, HGH, Anavar cycle or compeletely different? In case I decide to jump on using Trenbolone Acetate, what will be the change? Just for future reference.

I think I saw that there's also a Trenbolone Enanthate, not sure I see it ever for sale or if there's any difference between the two.

All of the fat loss on steroids comes from exercise and diet. If you eat like shit and train like shit you won't lose a pound of fat and might even gain some. But like said, tren can build muscle and burn fat at the same time.

I love Trenbolone Acetate as well. Fucking amazing but it will FUCK UP any steroid noobs who don't know how to handle their shit.

I also want to add, if you can't lose weight through diet and training while on Testosterone you have no fucking business whatsoever touching Tren.

 

[Voxide]

I probably would not touch it if the risk is too great. I'm still only on my first cycle so you never know.

I looked it up, it's 500 times stronger than testosterone (must be an exaggeration?). that's crazy. I don't feel the power of Test Enanthate (I'm on my 4th week cycle) so I can imagine what Tren Acetate must be. I think I gained weight from 154 to 160 and rising. I've been eating so it's no surprise. I see the Tren Acetate come in 75 mg and 100mg per vial. Will the on cycle/post cycle be similar to a Test Enanthate, HGH, Anavar cycle or compeletely different? In case I decide to jump on using Trenbolone Acetate, what will be the change? Just for future reference.

I think I saw that there's also a Trenbolone Enanthate, not sure I see it ever for sale or if there's any difference between the two.

154lbs and you took steroids? You're a fucking idiot.

 

[bigjoey]

154lbs...?! this is what i don't understand.these aren't things to be played with.in the 80's-90's we had to do our own "research" so to say on each other.now there's the net with a plethora of info.tren is not a beginners drug.nothing wrong with a basic test only cycle and proper pct.no one says nor is there a written rule that your 2nd cycle should be more,3rd cycle and so on.i know guys that have competed for years and only do test only cycles with maybe some tren towards the end,last 6-7wks to "vein up".

yes,it's 500x as strong as test but the sides are nothing like test sides.alot of people think you can't get gyno from tren because it doesn't aromatize like test but will hit you like a ton of bricks if you're prone to progesterone related sides.no one should touch gear until they've completely maxed out their attempts at gaining weight naturally,have a moderate to low b/f%,have been training no less than 5yrs straight and are in their mid to late 20's.i've broken almost every rule except the weight part.i was 20 when i first tried anadrol and it almost killed me for lack of knowledge.now 24yrs later all i've done is study what i can from medical journals,"broscience",the net and forums.

it cracks me up when guys in my gyms ask me what can they take to gain only about 10lbs but stay lean for the summer.kills me.if you're not looking to compete in BBing or PLing tournaments then there really is no need to go on gear.there is no "recreational gear use".you're either in it to win it or nothing at all.if i had a dollar for every guy 20-25 who trained off and on for a 2-3year period,ate like shit but figures gear is some magical panacea that will get them big and ripped fast as hell i'd retire tomorrow in Thailand...

 

[-Guido-]

I think I gained weight from 154 to 160 and rising.

What. The. Fuck. You were 154 pounds and decided to use not only steroids but HGH? You also mentioned how you aren't getting lean and have some belly fat... I'll deal with all this bullshit when I get back from work. Fucking unreal.

 

[ongos]

Bro, in high school I weighed close to 200 pounds, benched 285 pounds. At my current weight, I think I'm just as strong. My shoulder shrug is at 275 pounds, I can do this 15 reps at 5-8 sets. I've been lifting weights for over 10 years I'm no stranger to bodybuilding, just new to the "gear". What's wrong with being 154 pounds? When I said I was close to 200 pounds in high school, I lost all that weight in about 3 years. It was gradual. My anxiety/panic attack in my late teens/early 20's made me lose track and confidence in lifting weight and or gaining weight so I wanted to see how I'd feel at a lower weight class (like a boxer can jump from various weight class). I'm missing something here. Why the shock? I feel great but you're starting to scare me.

What. The. Fuck. You were 154 pounds and decided to use not only steroids but HGH? You also mentioned how you aren't getting lean and have some belly fat... I'll deal with all this bullshit when I get back from work. Fucking unreal.

 

[ongos]

Bro, I'm 28. What do you mean by gaining weight naturally? I thought everyone had to eat to gain weight? Now to drop weight there's various procedures. If you're a boxer you can drop weight quick if you go into a sauna and drop all that water weight. How did Anadrol almost kill you?

154lbs...?! this is what i don't understand.these aren't things to be played with.in the 80's-90's we had to do our own "research" so to say on each other.now there's the net with a plethora of info.tren is not a beginners drug.nothing wrong with a basic test only cycle and proper pct.no one says nor is there a written rule that your 2nd cycle should be more,3rd cycle and so on.i know guys that have competed for years and only do test only cycles with maybe some tren towards the end,last 6-7wks to "vein up".

yes,it's 500x as strong as test but the sides are nothing like test sides.alot of people think you can't get gyno from tren because it doesn't aromatize like test but will hit you like a ton of bricks if you're prone to progesterone related sides.no one should touch gear until they've completely maxed out their attempts at gaining weight naturally,have a moderate to low b/f%,have been training no less than 5yrs straight and are in their mid to late 20's.i've broken almost every rule except the weight part.i was 20 when i first tried anadrol and it almost killed me for lack of knowledge.now 24yrs later all i've done is study what i can from medical journals,"broscience",the net and forums.

it cracks me up when guys in my gyms ask me what can they take to gain only about 10lbs but stay lean for the summer.kills me.if you're not looking to compete in BBing or PLing tournaments then there really is no need to go on gear.there is no "recreational gear use".you're either in it to win it or nothing at all.if i had a dollar for every guy 20-25 who trained off and on for a 2-3year period,ate like shit but figures gear is some magical panacea that will get them big and ripped fast as hell i'd retire tomorrow in Thailand...

 

[ongos]

is there a rule as to how much you have to weigh before taking steroids? you do know a lot of cyclist or sprinter or any of those small weight athletes that took steroids are not all 230 pounder bodybuilders, right? Why the shock without an explanation? This is bizarre.

154lbs and you took steroids? You're a fucking idiot.

 

[-Guido-]

Bro, in high school I weighed close to 200 pounds, benched 285 pounds. At my current weight, I think I'm just as strong. My shoulder shrug is at 275 pounds, I can do this 15 reps at 5-8 sets. I've been lifting weights for over 10 years I'm no stranger to bodybuilding, just new to the "gear". What's wrong with being 154 pounds? When I said I was close to 200 pounds in high school, I lost all that weight in about 3 years. It was gradual. My anxiety/panic attack in my late teens/early 20's made me lose track and confidence in lifting weight and or gaining weight so I wanted to see how I'd feel at a lower weight class (like a boxer can jump from various weight class). I'm missing something here. Why the shock? I feel great but you're starting to scare me.

Because you could easily gain muscles and lean out naturally at that weight. You are supposed to juice when you max out and have your diet and routine in order. You are making average at best gains. If you lifted for a year and then got on gear you could of made tremendous gains.

Its fucking foolish to run steroids at 154 pounds, absolutely foolish.

 

[-Guido-]

Bro, I'm 28. What do you mean by gaining weight naturally? I thought everyone had to eat to gain weight? Now to drop weight there's various procedures. If you're a boxer you can drop weight quick if you go into a sauna and drop all that water weight. How did Anadrol almost kill you?

I mean working out without gear instead of taking a needless shortcut.

 

[-Guido-]

is there a rule as to how much you have to weigh before taking steroids? you do know a lot of cyclist or sprinter or any of those small weight athletes that took steroids are not all 230 pounder bodybuilders, right? Why the shock without an explanation? This is bizarre.

Your argument is moot. We aren't talking athletes and professionals. The rule before you take steroids is to go as far as you naturally. You should be at least 170-190 at a very lean sigle digit bodyfat before steroids.

 

[ongos]

at 5'7" wouldn't you think my natural weight class would be around 160 or so? I watch boxing I'm just going by this and it's mostly accurate. Anyone that's 5'11" should be around 190 pounds. You get the point. Voxide made it sound dangerous that I took steroids at 154 pounds. I guess he didn't know my height.

Your argument is moot. We aren't talking athletes and professionals. The rule before you take steroids is to go as far as you naturally. You should be at least 170-190 at a very lean sigle digit bodyfat before steroids.

 

[ongos]

I'll take foolish. It's my first cycle. But you all scared me. I thought I had to go to an ER. LOL. Anyway, I never did stop lifting. Over 10 years now like I already mentioned. I'm lean except the belly fat when sitting down that's why I opened this thread. Someone told me about this stress hormone called cortisol. How do I combat this? Now I know Anavar is not really that powerful for much fat loss. Have you tried ephedra?

Also, are you saying that steroids wouldn't work its full potential when a person is not lean, meaning if a person has some fat on him, it's the enemy of AAS?

Because you could easily gain muscles and lean out naturally at that weight. You are supposed to juice when you max out and have your diet and routine in order. You are making average at best gains. If you lifted for a year and then got on gear you could of made tremendous gains.

Its fucking foolish to run steroids at 154 pounds, absolutely foolish.

 

[-Guido-]

I'll take foolish. It's my first cycle. But you all scared me. I thought I had to go to an ER. LOL. Anyway, I never did stop lifting. Over 10 years now like I already mentioned. I'm lean except the belly fat when sitting down that's why I opened this thread. Someone told me about this stress hormone called cortisol. How do I combat this? Now I know Anavar is not really that powerful for much fat loss. Have you tried ephedra?

Also, are you saying that steroids wouldn't work its full potential when a person is not lean, meaning if a person has some fat on him, it's the enemy of AAS?

Oh fuck. Are you serious? Shit now I feel bad. Nah dude you are fine, don't worry. You don't need the hospital or anything. I assure you that so need to get anxious. Fuck. Sorry about that.

Shit you have been lifting for 10 years eh? Him sounds like you need to work on your routine or something which is something EVERYONE has to do every so often.

Cortosol is a bitch. When my girlfriend left me in September I actually lost muscles for month and gained some fat, all from fucking cortisol and the stress. I'm doing better now because I stay stress free.

Ephedra is damn good at getting rid of fat. Lot of people run an ECA stack (Epehdra, caffeine and Aspirin; they have a synergy) and lose lots of fat. To be successful it needs to be run with a strict diet. You could give that a shot and it might be just what you need.

If you are higher than 10% body fat, AAS won't work as efficiently and the effects wont be as pronounced.

 

[ongos]

Yeah some people here don't know my facts straight up so I had to put it up. I may have told you this before but you can't remember everything. I'm not just some 154-160 pound scrawny 28 year old who woke up one day and decided to get on a steroid cycle. I never even thought of getting on it. I started out with HGH this past December but decided to run a full cycle with Test Enanthate and Anavar instead. After over 10 years of weight lifting I thought it was time to see what' the fuss is about. I could easily eat like a pig and blow up to 180 if I want to get careless. I watch what I eat. It's my first cycle and I'm in no rush to flex.

Regarding the caffeine and aspirin thing I think Excedrin is a combo of both. I notice my muscles hardened when I took it for pain killer, but it's non steroidal so I'm not sure if the gains will even be kept.

Oh fuck. Are you serious? Shit now I feel bad. Nah dude you are fine, don't worry. You don't need the hospital or anything. I assure you that so need to get anxious. Fuck. Sorry about that.

Shit you have been lifting for 10 years eh? Him sounds like you need to work on your routine or something which is something EVERYONE has to do every so often.

Cortosol is a bitch. When my girlfriend left me in September I actually lost muscles for month and gained some fat, all from fucking cortisol and the stress. I'm doing better now because I stay stress free.

Ephedra is damn good at getting rid of fat. Lot of people run an ECA stack (Epehdra, caffeine and Aspirin; they have a synergy) and lose lots of fat. To be successful it needs to be run with a strict diet. You could give that a shot and it might be just what you need.

If you are higher than 10% body fat, AAS won't work as efficiently and the effects wont be as pronounced.

 

[-Guido-]

You still shouldn't have got on HGH and gear while being 154 pounds bro lol... You should of worked your way up to 170-180lbs with a body fat of 10% or so.

 

[bigjoey]

how,lol...cause back in 90 we didn't have all this info floating about.if a big dude in the gym said he was taking this ir that we took this ir that.i got my 1st batch of hg drol in.dude i got it from said take 2-3 a day until you run out.at 23 and 215lbs i was desperate and stupid.by my 3rd week i couldn't stand up without blood pouring from my nose and my piss was black.got to the doctor and he wanted to admit me a.s.a.p but i couldn't because of the title i held at work.told him what i was on.i was only a few days from full renal failure,total hepatic shutdown,rbc count was so friggin high they beled me 2x that month.blood was literally like motor oil.maybe thicker.had to go on bp meds for 6 mnths just to get my bp back to a normal range.

gaining and losing all takes diet.there is no steroid that will burn fat to make you lose weight.some just won't aromatize therefore you won't hold water giving the impression of leaning out.it's all about yuor routine and diet.gear is just the finishing touches.using gear without a solid foundation is like trying to put the icing on a cake that's not even baked yet.

 

[HYDRO_CHRONIC]

hg drol ? H drol? how many were u supposed too take?

 

[ongos]

It probably wasn't what you thought it was. It was probably not h drol or whatever it is. Was there unusual symptoms on the first week? It was probably some guy that didn't like you who sold you poison.

how,lol...cause back in 90 we didn't have all this info floating about.if a big dude in the gym said he was taking this ir that we took this ir that.i got my 1st batch of hg drol in.dude i got it from said take 2-3 a day until you run out.at 23 and 215lbs i was desperate and stupid.by my 3rd week i couldn't stand up without blood pouring from my nose and my piss was black.got to the doctor and he wanted to admit me a.s.a.p but i couldn't because of the title i held at work.told him what i was on.i was only a few days from full renal failure,total hepatic shutdown,rbc count was so friggin high they beled me 2x that month.blood was literally like motor oil.maybe thicker.had to go on bp meds for 6 mnths just to get my bp back to a normal range.

gaining and losing all takes diet.there is no steroid that will burn fat to make you lose weight.some just won't aromatize therefore you won't hold water giving the impression of leaning out.it's all about yuor routine and diet.gear is just the finishing touches.using gear without a solid foundation is like trying to put the icing on a cake that's not even baked yet.

 

[ongos]

HGH is supposed to give you mass and burn fat. I think my 6 pound gain came from it. LOL. I'm still 160 strong now. Going up.

You still shouldn't have got on HGH and gear while being 154 pounds bro lol... You should of worked your way up to 170-180lbs with a body fat of 10% or so.

 

[ongos]

regarding anavar use; i meant to use this at the final 6 weeks of my cycle to harden my gains but I ended up using it at the beginning of my cycle instead. I hope this is no big deal. I'm on my 4th week of anavar. I might go for 2 more weeks of this for a total of 6 weeks (first 3 weeks was at 50mg daily, last 3 weeks will be 100mg daily, 50mg morning, 50mg evening).