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ALD-52? Refined, cleaner lsd?

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I'm supposed to have two hits of PRO-LAD in my possesion now so I wouldn't think it's impossible to obtain ALD-52 except it's rapid degrading back to regular LSD makes it kind of odd. You'd have to be very close to the source to get such freshly made acid.
 
Pro-LAD sounds pretty cool--definitely an ergoloid that I've always wanted to try. My bet is that it is more dopaminergic than LSD, possessing the key Dipropyl-tetralin moiety that so many D2/D3/D4 agonists have (such as 7-OH-DPAT and pergolide, see below). However, LSD is a potent D3/D4 agonist as well. The best part is that all of the compounds are likely neurogenic, triggering the release of BDNF and other neurotrophic factors in dopaminergic neurons. Might be a good anti-parkinsonian compound.

The psychedelic dose of Pro-LAD would probably be quite a bit more than that of LSD, however--like 500-750ug.
 

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I still believe that ald-52 does make its rounds.

The person who told me this was very close to the crystal.
 
For whatever it's worth, back in college I had some orange windowpane that was quite unlike any acid I had done then or since: absolutely visual with very little confusion or mind-fuck. To this day, I still wonder what it was...
 
Riemann Zeta said:
The reason that I suspect that much of the "L" out there is actually LSM is the fact that it is easier to synthesize than the 6-alkyl analogues, being a one-shot synthesis from lysergamide or lysergic acid and the fact that its short duration (4-6 hours) closely matches much of the "L" out there (LSD proper is supposed to have an 8 hour duration). Also of note is the fact that the compound diethylamine is Schedule I / Class A whereas morpholine is not. Hence while LSM is illegal in the US, the precursors might be less suspicious and thus friendlier to someone looking to avoid the psychotically draconian life-sentence for synthesis of LSD proper.
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Interesting theory.. we have all encountered doses that are in the 4-6 hour range vs. 8 hour range. I'll keep an eye on the DEA microgram publication for such an analysis.
 
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I still believe that ald-52 does make its rounds.

The person who told me this was very close to the crystal.
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Not unless it's stored in airtight containers containing some sort of dessicant as atmospheric moisture is enough to cause the degradation back to LSD via hydrolysis. It's possible that microdots coated with some sort of airtight coating could possibly do the trick, but they'd have to be prepared using a solvent other than water, which is simply too much hassle for anybody other than the likes of Nichols, Shulgin, Hoffman etc. If it's crystal & not in airtight containers with dessicant, then it's LSD, regardless of what it was originally intended to be ie ALD-52

Just as an aside, ALD-52 hydrolysis is quite unusual because as a rule, amides are fairly resistant to hydrolysis compared with esters etc. It should be fairly stable - maybe it's because of the fact that it's an aromatic nitrogen that it's an amide of...
 
^Wouldn't it still undergo hydrolysis in the stomach once the microdot had been digested? It would seem to me that even if you managed to get it into your body, it would be a fat chance of it actually making it to your brain intact.
 
i was under the impression that "clean trips" were from a lack of iso-LSD, since it apparently does not add any psychoactive effects but acts peripherally.

it seems like creating a "new" LSD would be impractical unless they were doing it to avoid existing laws, or utilize new precusors/synth methods.
 
I don't think it's the iso-LSD. I think it's just a feature of LSD that it can make you feel like you are having a "clean" trip and it can also make you feel like you are having a "dirty" trip. I don't think you have to look for any complex theories - it's just the LSD.
 
Interesting theory.. we have all encountered doses that are in the 4-6 hour range vs. 8 hour range. I'll keep an eye on the DEA microgram publication for such an analysis.
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If it does exist, I hope those evil rat bastards don't find out about it. Even the name "microgram" is an inside joke, a direct and unfair attack on LSD (and psychedelics)--makes me fucking sick.
 
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How is that an "attack on LSD and psychedelics"? I mean, its kind of a lame pun, but that is sort of the fate of all puns... I fail to see how its an attack. unless you get your panties in a bunch from them handling LSD or something, like they dirty it by checking out seized samples (as if there weren't enough to go around/it hurt the supply or something). I don't get it?

If anything, I always thought it taught smuggling methods to those who couldn't figure it out on their own, and introduced people to drugs they might not ever hear of otherwise (knowing people that work in the labs, who get excited when something other than meth shows up).
 
I love Microgram, I get excited whenever a new issue comes out.

I roflcopter at the thing about LSD being rare, though.
 
The ratio of iso-LSD & lumi-LSD / LSD-25 makes all the difference.

How fresh is it. How clean was the crystal. White crystal, white fluff (tho I believe this is no longer fresh), needlepoint, and very cleaned-up quad-silver are all flowing like water these days.

Yes is is a fact that the LSD of 2008 is almost always cleaner than the amber, silver, and lavender crystal that dominated the mid 2000s.

Some of this stuff is so clean if you're used to lower grade LSD you might think its a different trip, so much less anxiety and tension!

Maybe some people are getting LSM and ALD-52. But most people are without a doubt getting extremely clean LSD these days.
 
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i was under the impression that "clean trips" were from a lack of iso-LSD, since it apparently does not add any psychoactive effects but acts peripherally.

it seems like creating a "new" LSD would be impractical unless they were doing it to avoid existing laws, or utilize new precusors/synth methods.
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These aren't "new" analogues; most of the LSD and ergoline drugs were made by Hoffmann back in the day. It just appears that a bit of this stuff maybe flowting around. As said, to make ALD-52 one needs LSD anyhow, which is impracticle...but LSM is a different matter I guess.
 
Cloudy must be lucky. I've never encountered blotter (or any other form of LSD) that lasted 12 hours (without re-dosing).
 
If you had a strong LSD trip it's going to last 12+ hours.

That's not to say if you have been tripping a lot lately and are otherwise brain-dead you might fall asleep after 6-8 hours anyway...

But if you are getting "6 hour LSD" either you metabolize it at twice the average rate or you got a tiny dose... or as a remote possibility you got something else sold to you as LSD.
 
But define "tripping for X hours" ... do you mean "seeing shit for X hours," "being 'altered' for X hours" (how altered? Do you count being a little cracked out/stimulated, or just SPUN)? I'm sure differences in how we define "tripping" could account for some of the difference. I mean, surely, you're not immersed in psychedelia for 12 hours from a normal dose of LSD ... but equally surely, you're probably feeling some effects for up to 12 hours, and would have trouble sleeping or forgetting the fact that you took a drug
 
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