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ALD-52? Refined, cleaner lsd?

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I mean, surely, you're not immersed in psychedelia for 12 hours from a normal dose of LSD .
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this is really nothing too too amazing, eat 10+tabs and you wont be back for 12+ too.
 
FrostyMcFailure said:
this is really nothing too too amazing, eat 10+tabs and you wont be back for 12+ too.
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we have.

when I took 2.5mg it only lasted 10 or so hours. BUT I did take some benzos to help e come down.

When I took 1.4mg it lasted ~10 hours as well, 8 of which were "tripping" then 2-3 hours of "ok Im about done with this shit please stop, its not amazing anymore" then followed by maybe an hour or two of "ok Im stimulated, nothing more, my god please allow me to get some sleep for work tomorrow".
 
Even when I took 5mg it was done within 12. Which is not to say I could sleep without some pharmacological aid afterwards, but I wouldn't call the state I was in "tripping." I was noticeably "altered" for some time thereafter though.
 
Excellent point up above.

I do typically experience light visuals and certainly very active CEVs 10-12 hours after dosing anywhere above 100ug LSD. Normally I can sleep 12 hours after dosing.

I believe people too often say, "Ok, I'm not tripping anymore" just because they've come off the peak. Even though subtle visual alterations and psychedelic body energy may last for another several hours. I consider this part of the trip.

Of course if you take a big dose and don't get any sleep you may be "tripping" well into the next day..

5mg ... hehe.. nice dose.

I do find that doses above 250ug or so begin to stretch to the 14-18 hour point for me... as in, lasting OEVs. It really depends if you can sleep it off or not.
 
ald 52 was originally created in america by the biggest producer of lsd called "the bear" (sorry i don't have his real name just the allias but easily foundable on google)
he did that when lsd was declared illegal in usa using a loophole of the law:
not the same chemical, listed as illegal
but in fact ald 52 degrade is unstable and degrade rapidly into lsd within a few days...
exept if u have no air, ultimate cold, no light... etc etc
so no one has ever had ald 52 exept those who made it and their friends
:)
 
^Augustus Owlsey Stanley, the Third nonetheless..:) The case your talking about is well known and has been discussed; Owsley still went to prison because part of his process in allegedly synthesising the ALD-52 meant LSD had to be made first....
 
swilow said:
^Augustus Owlsey Stanley, the Third nonetheless..:) The case your talking about is well known and has been discussed; Owsley still went to prison because part of his process in allegedly synthesising the ALD-52 meant LSD had to be made first....
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there are interviews in recent years where he admits to ONLY making lsd-25. as I said, the ald-52 thing was dmited to ONLY be a try at deffence.
 
I know ALD-52 supposedly degrades very quickly, and, if taken, undergoes hydrolysis to become LSD in the body, but wouldn't a tab of ALD-52 be more pure (in terms of degradation products) than a tab of LSD of the same age? Wouldn't the ALD-52 tab be "cleaner" than the LSD tab?
 
psychedelicious said:
I know ALD-52 supposedly degrades very quickly, and, if taken, undergoes hydrolysis to become LSD in the body, but wouldn't a tab of ALD-52 be more pure (in terms of degradation products) than a tab of LSD of the same age? Wouldn't the ALD-52 tab be "cleaner" than the LSD tab?
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no, I don't see how you came to this conclusion.
 
let's say on day 1, one batch of ALD-52 and one batch of LSD are synthed and laid on blotter. the day-to-day degradation of each chemical would follow a similar pattern to the pattern displayed below...

(the numbers are arbitrary here; I have no idea as to what they actually might be)

day 1
ALD-52: 100% ALD-52, 0% LSD, 0% LSD degradation products = 100% pure
LSD: 100% LSD, 0% LSD degradation products = 100% pure

day 2
ALD-52: 75% ALD-52, 25% LSD, 0% LSD degradation products = 100% pure
LSD: 99% LSD, 1% LSD degradation products = 99% pure

day 3
ALD-52: 50% ALD-52, 49.5% LSD, 0.5% LSD degradation products = 99.5% pure
LSD: 98% LSD, 2% LSD degradation products = 98% pure

day 4
ALD-52: 25% ALD-52, 74% LSD, 1% LSD degradation products = 99% pure
LSD: 97% LSD, 3% LSD degradation products = 97% pure

see what I mean?
 
circoguizmo said:
ald 52 was originally created in america by the biggest producer of lsd called "the bear" (sorry i don't have his real name just the allias but easily foundable on google)
he did that when lsd was declared illegal in usa using a loophole of the law:
not the same chemical, listed as illegal
but in fact ald 52 degrade is unstable and degrade rapidly into lsd within a few days...
exept if u have no air, ultimate cold, no light... etc etc
so no one has ever had ald 52 exept those who made it and their friends
:)
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It was originally discovered by Albert Hofmann
 
psychedelicious said:
let's say on day 1, one batch of ALD-52 and one batch of LSD are synthed and laid on blotter. the day-to-day degradation of each chemical would follow a similar pattern to the pattern displayed below...

(the numbers are arbitrary here; I have no idea as to what they actually might be)

day 1
ALD-52: 100% ALD-52, 0% LSD, 0% LSD degradation products = 100% pure
LSD: 100% LSD, 0% LSD degradation products = 100% pure

day 2
ALD-52: 75% ALD-52, 25% LSD, 0% LSD degradation products = 100% pure
LSD: 99% LSD, 1% LSD degradation products = 99% pure

day 3
ALD-52: 50% ALD-52, 49.5% LSD, 0.5% LSD degradation products = 99.5% pure
LSD: 98% LSD, 2% LSD degradation products = 98% pure

day 4
ALD-52: 25% ALD-52, 74% LSD, 1% LSD degradation products = 99% pure
LSD: 97% LSD, 3% LSD degradation products = 97% pure

see what I mean?
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I don't think that is how organic chemistry works, but you may know more then me.
 
The trial where the defence argued they were making ALD-52 was for Tim Scully, not Owsley. (Scully was at one time Owlsley's "apprentice"). Owsley was out of business by the time Scully made orange sunshine.
 
psychedelicious said:
I know ALD-52 supposedly degrades very quickly, and, if taken, undergoes hydrolysis to become LSD in the body, but wouldn't a tab of ALD-52 be more pure (in terms of degradation products) than a tab of LSD of the same age? Wouldn't the ALD-52 tab be "cleaner" than the LSD tab?
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No as the degradation of LSD to iso-LSD is due to a change in the bond orientation at position 8 (the N,N-diethylcarboxamide part of the molecule) courtesy of keto-enol tautomerization of the C=O group and these are identical in LSD & ALD-52 as the acetyl group of ALD-52 is attached at the 1 position (the indolic nitrogen), which plays no role in the keto-enol flipping going on at position 8 (see pic below)


59655LSD_keto-enol_isomerization.JPG
 
obviously everyone is affected differently by LSD, for me, i have NEVER completely come down from LSD before i have been to sleep, ever, no matter what lsd it was, as long as i took at least one entire hit. the duration of the come-up and the length of the peak may vary, but i am always still high to some extent when i go to sleep, even if that i 18-24 hours after ingestion.
 
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