Alcoholism discussion thread v. 5.0

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I think I'm slipping into alcoholism... or maybe I'm already there.

I don't drink a massive amount. Compared to some people here my problem is small, I admit. But I feel like it could start going downhill very soon. It's already affecting my social and work life, no question. But I can't stop. I just. Can't. Stop.

I drink beer, normally. I buy it in small bottles because I feel like that makes me not an alcoholic. But the other day while shopping, for the first time, I decided to skip the beer and get a litre of vodka. I stood in the alcohol aisle totting it up... A bottle of beer, two units, one euro thirty. Or the vodka, 34 units, eight euros. There at that moment it seemed like a logical, well thought out plan - saving money and less bloatiness. But what the fuck kind of worked out plan is that anyway? How logical is it to buy a bottle of vodka and drink it, alone, while watching House limp around and insult people?

I don't remember the end of the bottle. But the next night, after a staggeringly difficult and awkward day at work, in which I was secreting alcohol from every pore, I got home and lay down in bed. There next to me was a third of a tube of pringles left from the night before. (Rosemary and Thyme flavour, they have strange varieties here in Italy). I sat slowly munching away, the taste degraded by my hungover mouth. Finally I came to the dregs of the tube and up ended it, letting the pieces slide into my mouth. After a few seconds of chewing there was suddenly the most awful, grinding, grating, tearing sound/sensation in my mouth. The pain and blood arrived a few seconds later.

And I remembered. I'd broken a glass the night before. Accidentally or in a fit of drink induced fuck-it-all blase, I don't know. But during the drunken clean up (which was not a great success, I've been finding shards for weeks now) I had decided to put one fairly largish piece of glass into the pringles tube. A joke for my boring, sensible, sober self.

And just what the fuck is up with that?
 
What has given me the power to not drink. Is I look back at all the terrible stuff that happened and how anxious I felt when I was drinking. All the weird crap and energy that followed me around. I couldn't fathom relapsing and detoxing over and over. It will usually take a few attempts to quit.

If your drinking to replace your opiate habit or to kill the pain that's a very bad idea. I found my self doing that also when I first started drinking. I thought it helped manage my anxiety and pain.

The good thing about 1 month sober is it gives you a time frame. It sort of makes it easier to keep going onto the next month. Then eventually you can make it a year and be free. It's still going to be challenging. But it gets easier the more time you go on. I dont buy into those sayings that once your an alcoholic your always an alcoholic. It really just depends on your personality and your self control. You can choose how much of that you want to believe. Whatever helps you in your recovery.

I would suggest finding a hobby or something your interested in to pass time. Also alot of exercising and eating healthy. When you get that bad anxious thought in your head that triggers you to drink. Take a deep breath and wait for it to pass. Do not give into it.

Another good thing about not drinking is your mind remains clear. You can actually make clear decisions. When your drinking your mind is so foggy. Once your sober you might look back and be like what was I thinking....
 
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And I remembered. I'd broken a glass the night before. Accidentally or in a fit of drink induced fuck-it-all blase, I don't know. But during the drunken clean up (which was not a great success, I've been finding shards for weeks now) I had decided to put one fairly largish piece of glass into the pringles tube. A joke for my boring, sensible, sober self.

And just what the fuck is up with that?

Oh my god. That sent a cringe down my spine.
 
IMO it's easy to slip from opiate use into alcoholism. The area I grew up in wasn't cool to drink mainly because we were rebelling against our parents usage by smoking pot. I've always liked alcohol but never had a habit of drinking everyday. I could go months without it or even drink a couple of days a month. This was as long as I had my drug of choice. Now I keep back WD's with 1mg of subs and alcohol has pretty much taken over my early evening and night life. Can't tell dr nor any of my family but they must know, even though I live alone. Booze is not the best drug to be dependent on....
 
Thick_as_a_Planck that totally made me cringe as well dude :(
I think it's great that you're acknowledging that you may have a problem, so please give yourself praise for that. I lot of people don't admit it to themself until they are wayyy further down the track. I think you are right to be concerned, especially if you've recently switched from beer to vodka. That is the beginning of a very slippery slope man. I have a few questions for you: Why do you drink? Has anything happened in your life recently to make you want to drink every day? And what else could you be doing with your time instead of drinking?
It would be a great idea for you to try and stop this habit from getting any worse NOW, before your job and your health and social life begin to suffer any more. Do you think it's likely that you can stop drinking?


Renz Envy said:
A month is not a lot.
Did you mean to say that a month is NOT a lot, or IS a lot?? Cos man, a month of no drinking is HUGE!!! That is definitely something to be proud of <3
At this stage I cannot imagine going a whole month without a drink. Sheesh!
 
I don't know what's going on with me. I can't even have 2 or 3 beers without needing to lay down, and I fall asleep. I can't even enjoy alcohol anymore. But I need it.

I hear that - I am on the wagon guys.. 4 days going strong.. I already feel so clear headed.

Alcohol has robbed me of enough.. I won't have another drink except for celebrations, and even then I will think twice - I'm inspired to go 1 month, evaluate and continue
 
"Why do you drink?"

To fill the days, to fill the hole in my life. To get a glimpse of happiness, false as it is.

"Has anything happened in your life recently to make you want to drink every day?"

Yeah, though it's stupid. Two months ago my brother got a promotion.. of sorts. I won't say what exactly for privacy fears but he's in a very good place now, a lot of opportunities, a lot more money, a fucking lot of responsibility. It made me realise where I am... which is nowhere. Going nowhere, alone.

"What else could you be doing with your time instead of drinking?"

I tell myself a lot. Improve my Italian, keep up the Japanese, socialise, go skiing, write a book... a lot of stuff. But then I ask myself: would I really do all that shit if I stopped drinking? Or would I just carry on not doing it, and worry about not doing it more? IDK.

"Do you think it's likely that you can stop drinking?"

I'm drunk as I write this, so... no, not really. But fuck it, right? It's only my life. As long as no-one sees, no-one cares. That's just how it is.

Cheers.
 
whiskey

Having to take drug tests the last 6 months, I have started drinking. For most of this time, I have been in a growing love-relationship with "good" beer. Living with my ex-boyfriend, we enable each other. We are drinking almost every day.

The last 3 weeks I have cut back on the beer, staying sober 2 nights/week or so. The motivation for this is Sunday nights at this hipster bar is Jameson $2 singles/$4 doubles...generous. The allure of Sunday nights is of course 98% the whiskey high, but the social scene makes it also closes 1% gap of dissonance. This leaves a heavy 1% feeling that this is extremely high risk behavior.

The last 2 Sundays some wild stuff has ended up happening including but not limited to...

-Breaking a (thinly constructed) glass at a bar (not the main place I drink) while taking part in a too-aggressive "toast". This happened twice in 20 minutes' time.
-Intentionally kicking a guy with the back of my boot as he walked behind me; subsequently I was kicked out & the 5 who were with me, also kicked out.
-I have a swollen, very stiff hand today from backhanding/punching my ex for being really loud and drawing attention to us in the supermarket.

I looove giving myself permission to get drunk this one night per week - beer the rest of the week and never more than 3 or 4, tops. However it seems like I am really looking for some "wacky" things to happen because something goes over the top at some point in the night. I don't know whether I can exert some self control and have a peaceful drunk night, or if I just need to call it quits on the Jameson.

The bottom line concern: My intelligence is severely diminished the next day! I feel like whiskey destroys my mind in wholly new ways than beer. Even the way I've constructed this post is not representative of how I prefer to communicate! Whiskey truly is a unique demon and I'd like to get some confirmation from others that they have also experienced this.
 
My friend's mom is an alcoholic and he started drinking and has a problem. I'm glad he's in military school right now but he really can't control himself with drinking.
 
Whiskey truly is a unique demon and I'd like to get some confirmation from others that they have also experienced this.

I can vouch for this - I have had issues drinking in the past, and I thought they were over.. I figured, hey I'm doing OK, I just drink beer.. then the festive season started. I began to take an interest in gin for a while, got a taste for it - then bought a bottle of jameson. Whisky is an evil drink imo.. it totally anhilates the inhibitions and results in a sway to violent/out of character behaviour. So then I tried rum.. rum makes me loose lipped and blackout.. totally different person on any dark spirits I've learned. I can't limit myself on them either.. and the hangovers are NOT worth it. Last time I consumed a large portion of whisky, I was debilitated with deep depression for 2 whole days.. I hated myself deeply..

So that slip in old ways has resulted in my dedication to getting sober now. I think it will be quite noble to shun alcohol.. with its availability and social 'norm', its nice to say 'sorry I don't drink' and watch everyone else make a fool out of themselves while I still have a good time and wake up clear headed! Alcohol is a con like cigarettes.. you think you are drowning away the problems, when in fact you are creating more! In the same sense, people say smoking decreases anxiety, when in fact it is a stimulant which increases anxiousness and causes all kinds of physical harm... go figure.

So far I've been 5 days without.. Feel much clear headed, wake up earlier.. went for a huge walk today and am feeling good. The only bad time is when the day finishes and the sun sets.. there is nothing like a nice cold beer at that time 8(

Another thing which disappears when I don't drink is reflux indegestion - I usually suffer from this, but it disappears when I remove alcohol consumption. So thats another bonus - anyone else get this?
 
badfish45 said:
My friend's mom is an alcoholic and he started drinking and has a problem. I'm glad he's in military school right now but he really can't control himself with drinking.
Damn, that sucks to hear he's developing a problem badfish :( Is there anything your mum can do? Talk to him about it, perhaps?


I hear that - I am on the wagon guys.. 4 days going strong.. I already feel so clear headed.

Alcohol has robbed me of enough.. I won't have another drink except for celebrations, and even then I will think twice - I'm inspired to go 1 month, evaluate and continue
4 days is awesome dude!! Keep it up! Yeah I can imagine that you feel heaps better already, that must be a really good incentive to stay sober :) <3

Dark Ambience said:
Another thing which disappears when I don't drink is reflux indegestion - I usually suffer from this, but it disappears when I remove alcohol consumption. So thats another bonus - anyone else get this?
Yep, I've had reflux for the last 5 years (have been an alcoholic for 8 years). My reflux began when I was bulimic for a few years, but I'm certain that the alcohol has something to do with it too. Sucks. That's great you get relief from your reflux when you're sober!


"Has anything happened in your life recently to make you want to drink every day?"

Yeah, though it's stupid. Two months ago my brother got a promotion.. of sorts. I won't say what exactly for privacy fears but he's in a very good place now, a lot of opportunities, a lot more money, a fucking lot of responsibility. It made me realise where I am... which is nowhere. Going nowhere, alone.
That's not stupid at all man, I can really relate to that. My whole family (both my parents and my 4 siblings) are all acedemic over-achievers, and I don't live up to them at all. It really gets me down and can be pretty harsh on my self-esteem sometimes, but then I remember that I can't compare myself to them because, well, simply put, I'm NOT them. I'm me, and I'm living my life the way I want. I know it sucks when your siblings are doing better than you but just remind yourself that you're doing things at your own pace. Even though you might not be "going" the same places as your brother, or getting there at the same pace, you're still achieving things and you're still a good person. Remember that.

"What else could you be doing with your time instead of drinking?"

I tell myself a lot. Improve my Italian, keep up the Japanese, socialise, go skiing, write a book... a lot of stuff. But then I ask myself: would I really do all that shit if I stopped drinking? Or would I just carry on not doing it, and worry about not doing it more? IDK.
Those are all fantastic ideas of activities you could do other than drinking. I know from personal experience though, it's hard to BEGIN doing those other activities when drinking is the much more attractive option. Really fucking hard. Maybe start with doing a litle bit of Italian or Japanese study each day before your first drink, so that each day you're getting a little bit closer to one of your goals. Then at least you can go to bed each night knowing that you've achieved something that day. What do you think?


The last 2 Sundays some wild stuff has ended up happening including but not limited to...

-Breaking a (thinly constructed) glass at a bar (not the main place I drink) while taking part in a too-aggressive "toast". This happened twice in 20 minutes' time.
-Intentionally kicking a guy with the back of my boot as he walked behind me; subsequently I was kicked out & the 5 who were with me, also kicked out.
-I have a swollen, very stiff hand today from backhanding/punching my ex for being really loud and drawing attention to us in the supermarket.
Hey mami, firstly, yep I can totally relate to the feeling of diminished intelligence after a big night of drinking. Not cool at all. Are you currently studying or anything? If so, maybe try to use that as an incentive to not drink when you need to study or do assignments etc.
Also, as per the part of your post I've quoted above, sorry if this sounds blunt but to me this doesn't actually sound like you're having much fun when you get that drunk...? Being aggressive and getting kicked out of places doesn't really sound likea good night to me. Do you think that part of your drinking behaviour is a problem? Cos if you think it is, again, you could use that as an incentive to not drink...or to not drink as much...or to not drink whatever liquors make you behave that way e.g. whiskey. What do you think hun?
 
Hey mami, firstly, yep I can totally relate to the feeling of diminished intelligence after a big night of drinking. Not cool at all. Are you currently studying or anything? If so, maybe try to use that as an incentive to not drink when you need to study or do assignments etc.
Also, as per the part of your post I've quoted above, sorry if this sounds blunt but to me this doesn't actually sound like you're having much fun when you get that drunk...? Being aggressive and getting kicked out of places doesn't really sound likea good night to me. Do you think that part of your drinking behaviour is a problem? Cos if you think it is, again, you could use that as an incentive to not drink...or to not drink as much...or to not drink whatever liquors make you behave that way e.g. whiskey. What do you think hun?

Thanks for responding <3

I'm not studying, but there are things in my life I need to do that require brain-power. Still 2 days later I am feeling so, so dull. Perhaps picking up meditation (I stopped 6 weeks ago) will repair the connections more swiftly than, say, AA or simply abstaining.

It is true that it doesn't sound like a good time. In fact I enjoy the violence and risk of it all... not a good thing to "enjoy". I'm truly reconsidering this whole Sunday bar night thing. What's going to be difficult to turn down is that my ex (currently still my roommate) is alcoholic. Until I get my own place I feel trapped, though like you mentioned I can always drink less.

In a sea of unconsciousness :|
 
Yep, I definitley know that feeling of being trapped. My boyfriend is an alcoholic too, and we've both been alcoholics and drinking buddies since we started seeing each other 8 years ago. I've been wanting/trying to quit for about 18-24 months, and he's only just starting to come around to the idea of being sober. So all this time that I've been wanting to quit has been utterly futile because if he's drinking, I will drink. There are no two ways about it.

So yep, trapped.

mami I think starting regular meditation again is a fantastic idea! <3
 
I just woke up, I feel extremely sick.

I drank 2 bottles of white wine last night... I feel like shit.

I wouldn't drink, but there are days where I get extremely depressed... I'm sick of doing this.
 
^ pk., would you rather be extremely sick or extremely depressed?

I know it's not that simple, but seriously why do drinkers believe that alcohol is going to make the depression go away? Sure, that first stiff drink does make things a lot better for a bit. But the other 10 drinks, the ones that cause the hangover and the addiction, tend to just make a person cry, start the "why me"s and just feel even worse.

If you are sick of it, there's really only one way to not let it continue. You gotta stand up to the alcohol. How long have you been drinking heavily?

It is true that it doesn't sound like a good time. In fact I enjoy the violence and risk of it all... not a good thing to "enjoy". I'm truly reconsidering this whole Sunday bar night thing. What's going to be difficult to turn down is that my ex (currently still my roommate) is alcoholic. Until I get my own place I feel trapped, though like you mentioned I can always drink less.

Risky, violent behaviour while intoxicated can easily lead you into trouble you do not want - be it a fight with a psycho not afraid to play dirty or an incident that gets you locked up. I understand how things that feel "wrong" to enjoy sober no longer feel so taboo while intoxicated, though. I was like this with sexuality for a long time. So I'm not exactly going to try and talk you into further suppressing your hidden desires like this.

Instead, you gotta look at why you feel like you can only do these things while drunk. Sure, it probably feels like you need the liquid courage to act out, but it's also probably because drinking environments are places where you can (usually) get away with things like these without any major trouble. You couldn't kick some guy in the grocery store and not expect consequences, but bars would just throw you out at worst, right?

Drinking places aren't the only ones that (somewhat) condone aggressive behaviour, though. Join a martial arts studio or take up ultimate fighting. Not only will you be able to beat the crap out of other people and not go to jail (well, to a degree ;)), but it will whip you into the best shape of your life, as opposed to all of the physical negatives that alcohol puts one through. Have you ever thought about this?
 
I would definitely prefer not to drink at all. It has gotten to a point where once I start I cannot stop. It's not a daily addiction, I drink once a week but when I do, I do so heavily.

I started drinking alcohol regularly from about the age of 18, I'm 24 now... I'm actually glad I found this post, it has made me realise that I am addicted, I have been ignoring it for too long and need to stop drinking entirely as I cannot control my consumption at all.
 
It has gotten to a point where once I start I cannot stop . . . I cannot control my consumption at all.

Hey PK. My definition of an alcoholic is someone who can't stop once they start, but can't stop wanting to start. It's a broad definition, but a correct one in my view. You can be a world away from the stereotypical drunk on a park bench, not even drinking every day and still be an alcoholic. Another general definition would be: if you think you might have a problem, then you probably have.

Recognition is the first step. It takes some of us years before we even admit we might have a problem to ourselves, but all else follows from that. Welcome aboard is probably the wrong choice of words entirely, but you know what I mean! ;)
 
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There is something about alcohol particularly, as a drug, that makes its users/addicts continue along in the state of denial. I never wanted to admit that I had a drinking problem, however I wasn't nearly as uncomfortable being open and honest (with discretion, but still) about my heroin addiction, or my benzo habit. There's also something to be said about how much you end up hating yourself while an alcoholic. You don't necessarily get the "walling in your own pity" with other drugs because they either numb the (emotional, maybe not physical) pain away and/or you're too preoccupied with keeping the habit going that you don't have as much free time to mope.

As for the denial, though, remember that you can always admit/accept this to yourself without telling anybody else. It's a heck of a lot easier to admit that you have a problem when you aren't necessarily admitting it to a doctor, a family member or people sitting in a circle. Ultimately it was this that worked for me. I stopped denying it to myself, and after I did that it all fell into place.

One thing I cannot emphasize enough to people struggling in this thread is that while it may get harder before it gets easier, it DOES get easier after you've been off for a while. For me, most of my cravings went away in a month or so. I quit last April. Had 4 drinks one night in June. Had 1 pint at the end of August. And then had ~3 drinks per day for 3 consecutive days the first 3 days of November. As of now, I haven't had a drink in three months. So I've had around 15 drinks in the past 10 months. Mind you, I was drinking up to 15 drinks in one night a year ago!

Each time I went back and had a few I realised that when I wasn't in the middle of an alcoholic run, alcohol was an absolutely disgusting substance - both in how it tasted and how it, aside from those few moments after consumption, affects a person's body. When I was in rehab at the end of last year, there was a group of people smuggling alcohol into the facility and I didn't even think about taking a drink when it was offered to me (if I had ever been forced into rehab during my alcoholism days, this would have been a different story). I honestly think I'm done with alcohol forever, which still kinda surprises me when it comes out of my mouth. But in a good way.

Then again, I do drink Nyquil and the like to help me sleep, so I'm actually consuming its 10% of alcohol. I don't consider this a relapse, though. Nothing about that is dangerous or triggering to me.

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Another thing to remember, and possibly easier to take up by those in denial, is that you don't have to be an alcoholic to think that it would be a good thing to cut down on your drinking. People do this all the time, and many of those people don't have problems. They're just removing a toxic substance from their lives. Athletes are a prime example. Others remove it to satisfy terms of their jobs. People stop drinking in the military. People stop drinking if they relocate to a nation where alcohol is illegal. Point is, if you are hesitant to quit because you have a problem, maybe find a secondary reason to slow down.
 
It's a heck of a lot easier to admit that you have a problem when you aren't necessarily admitting it to a doctor, a family member or people sitting in a circle. Ultimately it was this that worked for me. I stopped denying it to myself, and after I did that it all fell into place.

But of course, family and loved ones in particular have often known we were alcoholic before we ourselves did, and were telling us for a long time we had a problem, to our rage and resentment: 'WhoTF are these people to be telling me shit like this when they don't even know a, b, or c about what's happening in my life', long before we came to admit it to ourselves. And then having finally admitted it, we have to creep back with our tail between our legs and say: 'OK, you were right. I need help. Now please help me.' Not an easy thing to do by any stretch!

The first time I spoke up in AA with the 'Hi, my names Neil, and I'm an alcoholic' I broke down completely and couldn't continue. That was all I could manage, but it was strangely enough, the relief I felt finally saying it out loud being overwhelming. It was much easier the second time round. It's that first admission that's the hardest, whether to ourselves, or others.
 
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Lots of very truthful information in this thread.

Well after my last post, I promised myself not to drink, because I clearly have a problem.

I'll keep you guys posted on my progress =)
 
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