Adulterated cannabis

[JoshE]

Dont smoke it Chemi, unless you want a lung infection ...That's what happened to me back in school. My doctor actually new about my smoking history and asked me if i had smoked some "off" bud recently...

 

[Verybuffed]

You can't eat it or harvest the trichomes either. As hard as it is to do, you have to bin that shit.

 

[Tripman]

Haha that shit looks raaaank man. Flush it.

 

[eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee]

Gravy...

Hi guys sorry havn't been on for a while, but glad I did. I can officially say that the gravy bud is coming from Melbourne, a very large quantity at that and it was all for the sydney market as the price is better than melbourne. I managed to get my hands on 2 pounds before it went to sydney as here in Melbourne it is very dry (scarce). The gravy laced buds did not sparkle at all, just hard to burn.

As for the sparkling I came across this back in 2006 when I was smoking prime. The sparkling weed I came across actually combusted when a flame was put under it, completely disintegrating with a big black puff of smoke which took two three days to clear out of the house.

After growing and smoking up to and more than a quater a day for over 15 years I can say I know my weed. I almost ended up in hospital due to heart pulpataions due to this sparkling weed. At the time I had never experienced such a dry spell before especially where I am in Melbourne. I was not well for a month after this experience.

Due to shit prices for weed from 2006 and onwards this has pushed many growers out of the scene as the risk is too high. This would obviously cause "gravy" lacing.



The sparkling could range from not flushing while still very immature, PH solution to insecticide. I have grown hydro many times without flushing and it never caused sparkling. Over fertilizing would not cause sparkling either as I doubt it would leech chemical fertiliser out of the pores. I have over fertilised at the last stage and I have either killed the plant or it has produced extra resin (This was done under controlled situation using other plants next to the ones I overfed, the only down side to overfertilising in this last stage is that excess resin produced only caused it to be too harsh to smoke which rendered it "crap".

Someone I know bought weed that was adulterated with a strange grey powder, on closer inspection they realised is was gravox, even mixed some up with hot water and watched it turn to gravy. Word on the street was that some poor sod had ended up with 25 'bricks' of this stuff!

You are correct,

Agreed. Hydro is by far the better option by average, most bush bud that I have purchased that has been grown for mass production has been quite low quality.

Hi Jakeperson...Some of my best were "bush buds" as you would call it...I consider my self a pro both indoors and out It's all in the strain. Sure it will look cleaner as it is in a controlled environment (hydro that is) but pending on who's growing it and the variety/strain it is....

Yeah I suppose when you look at it like that.

Although I have grown bush buds before that shat over what I usually buy.

Comes down to the strain, and health IMO.

"We mods", not "us mods"

** "We moderators", not "us moderators" ......

I think this is what my mate calls gravy weed.

There is some weed getting around the Gold Coast at the moment that is dark brown has a kind of a sandy feel to it and smokes like everyone has mentioned here, leaving an ashy residue in the cone piece almost every time.

Was talking to a mate today about it and he said it is laced with GRAVY POWDER, on closer inspection of the weed and the brown powdery residue in the bottom of the bag i now think it is either gravy powder or some sort of beef stock.

There was a fair bit of powder at the bottom of a bag so i had a taste of it.

It Tastes salty and kind of like beef.

Disolved in water the turns the it murky and smells like gravy.

And has the consitincy of beef stock or gravy powder.

You are correct, With the amount of quantity that got shipped out I can understand how it reached queensland too.

I've been told it's been dipped in potassium. Or something along those lines.

Hmmmmm....unless you are absolutely certain you would be guessing.

the old flyspray myth again .... only this time it's potassium ... always something new and exciting on the bullshit round table to pick up and imbibe if you feel the need to be special ... ...

I'de hate to disappoint you but flyspray is not a myth 8) Some of the products hydro growers use are actually carcinogenic too. I suppose it is ok to use fungicides and insecticides on weed too ? Are these products registered and tested for withholding periods as are vegetables ? The answer is NO. I am a farmer of cut flowers and these chemicals aren't even tested for flowers let alone for weed which is burned and inhaled into our lungs. You do know that most chemicals used these days are residual ? With very few systemic insecticides...

Here is a quick link for you just to give an idea of what hydroponics shops sell...

http://www.hydroneeds.com.au/collections/insecticides-fungicides

The list goes on.....I will go by generic names : Folimat (systemic insecticide for the control of white fly and some other insect not including mites); Pyranica (for the control of mites or red spider this one is residual); Dithane or Pencazeb (Residual, for the control of certain fungi and blackspot); Maverick (residual for the control of spider mite or red spider); Confidor (systemic used for control of broad range of insects including spider mite - but really doesn't work anymore as the mite have become resistant ); Fongarid as seen on the picture (for the control of Pythium and Phytophthora fungi this one is systemic); Mortein (systemic for the control of all insects including mites easily available and cheaper than other chem's...funny when you google "spider mite insecticides" that the second result is mortein :

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=spider+mite+insecticides&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=

All these chemicals are not registered, licensed or tested for cannabis which obviously makes it UNSAFE. What makes it worse is that it doesn't get washed off if it's indoors so sprayed even early in the crop the residue will most likely be there, unless tested under controlled situations as used and done for vegetables it has to be concluded that chemicals are present for the remainder of the crop.


I am not one of these growers who use chemicals for treatment of fungis and insecticides I use chillies, onions, garlic, flour mixture very early in the crop and practice hygiene for the remainder

theres a lesson there .... don't believe everything you hear .... especially when it comes to drugs ...
there is always some twat trying to sound important by spreading bollocks about what is and isn't in certain drugs doing the rounds ...

favourite myth with weed is flyspray, favourite myth with LSD when I was younger was speed 8) ... favourite myth with E's was Cocaine ...

I mean seriously ... Good LSD (because it is active in such small quantities) can really never be cut/adulterated by common household chemicals or speed 8) because first and foremost you would be more then likely able to see it (esp on a Tab)... LSD in my experience is never adulterated by a common chemical... (although there are the DOx type chems around they are not common)... if anything it just won't actually be LSD ... it will be another chemical altogether (although anytime I have come across LSD thats exactly what it has been and nothing else) ... just my opinion %)

I too have heard this too but weed being adulterated doesn't mean that it is lsd or cocaine etc...

Yep some newcomers to the scene that come across super potent weed and then give the "lsd" and "cok"e myth routine, but you have to understand this is a regular occurrence it seems these days due to high demand and shortage...gravy and other chemicals still unknown to us as yet.

Potassium is a metal, one that has to be stored under oil to prevent oxidation, and the often explosive reaction that occurs on contact with moisture. Place a cut piece in water and it reacts very violently, often spitting and crackling as it catches fire. Group 1a metals all react in a similar way, although out of lithium, sodium and potassium, potassium is the most reactive. Anyone know why?

I suppose many of you younger BLers would have never come across it at school. Back in my day, such demonstrations were commonplace in HS chem classes, although due to the dangers associated with such demonstrations it's little wonder kids today don't get to see such cool things. I had a HS teacher who had lost an eye demonstrating the effects of lithium in water, as a piece flew off and hit him right in the eye. Yet he still got a buzz out of doing these demonstrations.

For those who haven't seen it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFG4Yr7lQzw

As for weed being laced with it...I'm afraid it's just another "where do they get this shit from" story.

Whatever it is phase_dancer it is combustible under a flame. Surely this is not normal and can't be healthy for users. Unfortunately I do not have the room to try many trials but I will however do a small experiment before I crop to see what would cause this sparkling...too many variables not enough room

hmmm... weeds not supposed to crackle and pop?
oh snap

serriously though, alot of the weed in montreal fizzes, and the weed that does fizz leaves a numb sensation in your mouth.

thx for the info

No thank you this gives us a broader perspective as it is not localised, it helps.

Hey guys, hope this is appropriate, but what do you think of this bud? Verybuffed has told me he believes it is mouldy. I wouldn't be too sure, I really don't have a *great* knowledge of cannabis, only basic.

Any input that can be provided would be great.

Thanks!

NSFW:

Yep "Verybuffed" is correct. The gravy weed I saw here in Melbourne before it got shipped out was mouldy...hope this helps. Obviously with the gravy powder poured over it never dried properly so mould...YEP for sure.

 

[Wise420]

Hi guys sorry havn't been on for a while, but glad I did. I can officially say that the gravy bud is coming from Melbourne, a very large quantity at that and it was all for the sydney market as the price is better than melbourne. I managed to get my hands on 2 pounds before it went to sydney as here in Melbourne it is very dry (scarce). The gravy laced buds did not sparkle at all, just hard to burn.

As for the sparkling I came across this back in 2006 when I was smoking prime. The sparkling weed I came across actually combusted when a flame was put under it, completely disintegrating with a big black puff of smoke which took two three days to clear out of the house.

After growing and smoking up to and more than a quater a day for over 15 years I can say I know my weed. I almost ended up in hospital due to heart pulpataions due to this sparkling weed. At the time I had never experienced such a dry spell before especially where I am in Melbourne. I was not well for a month after this experience.

Due to shit prices for weed from 2006 and onwards this has pushed many growers out of the scene as the risk is too high. This would obviously cause "gravy" lacing.



The sparkling could range from not flushing while still very immature, PH solution to insecticide. I have grown hydro many times without flushing and it never caused sparkling. Over fertilizing would not cause sparkling either as I doubt it would leech chemical fertiliser out of the pores. I have over fertilised at the last stage and I have either killed the plant or it has produced extra resin (This was done under controlled situation using other plants next to the ones I overfed, the only down side to overfertilising in this last stage is that excess resin produced only caused it to be too harsh to smoke which rendered it "crap".





You are correct,



Hi Jakeperson...Some of my best were "bush buds" as you would call it...I consider my self a pro both indoors and out It's all in the strain. Sure it will look cleaner as it is in a controlled environment (hydro that is) but pending on who's growing it and the variety/strain it is....








** "We moderators", not "us moderators" ......




You are correct, With the amount of quantity that got shipped out I can understand how it reached queensland too.



Hmmmmm....unless you are absolutely certain you would be guessing.



I'de hate to disappoint you but flyspray is not a myth 8) Some of the products hydro growers use are actually carcinogenic too. I suppose it is ok to use fungicides and insecticides on weed too ? Are these products registered and tested for withholding periods as are vegetables ? The answer is NO. I am a farmer of cut flowers and these chemicals aren't even tested for flowers let alone for weed which is burned and inhaled into our lungs. You do know that most chemicals used these days are residual ? With very few systemic insecticides...

Here is a quick link for you just to give an idea of what hydroponics shops sell...

http://www.hydroneeds.com.au/collections/insecticides-fungicides

The list goes on.....I will go by generic names : Folimat (systemic insecticide for the control of white fly and some other insect not including mites); Pyranica (for the control of mites or red spider this one is residual); Dithane or Pencazeb (Residual, for the control of certain fungi and blackspot); Maverick (residual for the control of spider mite or red spider); Confidor (systemic used for control of broad range of insects including spider mite - but really doesn't work anymore as the mite have become resistant ); Fongarid as seen on the picture (for the control of Pythium and Phytophthora fungi this one is systemic); Mortein (systemic for the control of all insects including mites easily available and cheaper than other chem's...funny when you google "spider mite insecticides" that the second result is mortein :

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=spider+mite+insecticides&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=

All these chemicals are not registered, licensed or tested for cannabis which obviously makes it UNSAFE. What makes it worse is that it doesn't get washed off if it's indoors so sprayed even early in the crop the residue will most likely be there, unless tested under controlled situations as used and done for vegetables it has to be concluded that chemicals are present for the remainder of the crop.


I am not one of these growers who use chemicals for treatment of fungis and insecticides I use chillies, onions, garlic, flour mixture very early in the crop and practice hygiene for the remainder



I too have heard this too but weed being adulterated doesn't mean that it is lsd or cocaine etc...

Yep some newcomers to the scene that come across super potent weed and then give the "lsd" and "cok"e myth routine, but you have to understand this is a regular occurrence it seems these days due to high demand and shortage...gravy and other chemicals still unknown to us as yet.



Whatever it is phase_dancer it is combustible under a flame. Surely this is not normal and can't be healthy for users. Unfortunately I do not have the room to try many trials but I will however do a small experiment before I crop to see what would cause this sparkling...too many variables not enough room




No thank you this gives us a broader perspective as it is not localised, it helps.



Yep "Verybuffed" is correct. The gravy weed I saw here in Melbourne before it got shipped out was mouldy...hope this helps. Obviously with the gravy powder poured over it never dried properly so mould...YEP for sure.

Cool post e.

The other day I bought more of the stuff I labeled as "laced" a while back.

Well the other day, I smoked a few extra bongs of this shit, then what I would usually. I was fucked up, started to stare, and zone out at my floor when I saw mini fractals(the same you/i see on a strong dose of LSD) it blew my mind for that second, that I had actually hallucinated this hard of straight weed.For those who arnt sure of what fractals are, to me they are a small circle spinning usually a massive group of them.

I looked at my computer screen after seeing this and focused, and funnily enough there they were again.The whole day after this happended all I had to do was focus on an object and I would see 10,50, 200 of these fractals.

Ive been smoking everyday for the past 2 years, and ive never smoked weed that's done this to me. I also experience a bit of ego loss, id look at my arms, legs or feet and couldnt relate em back to myself.

Thinking this stuff is probably sprayed after reading some posts. Plenty of crackles, pop's and sparks and always leaves ash behind in the cone, and after a while that ash will turn into a bit of residue.I took pics of this bud the other day will get it up on the pc soon.

 

[chemi]

Dont smoke it Chemi, unless you want a lung infection ...That's what happened to me back in school. My doctor actually new about my smoking history and asked me if i had smoked some "off" bud recently...

You can't eat it or harvest the trichomes either. As hard as it is to do, you have to bin that shit.

Haha that shit looks raaaank man. Flush it.

Yep "Verybuffed" is correct. The gravy weed I saw here in Melbourne before it got shipped out was mouldy...hope this helps. Obviously with the gravy powder poured over it never dried properly so mould...YEP for sure.

fuck sake... I'd have never guessed you know. At least now I have a better idea of what to look for.

I paid above normal price for this too as my area is dry...

 

[Tripman]

Is your relationship with your dealer good enough to take it back? Because most of mine would refund that shit, although i'd probably chuck it straight back in their face if it looked like that. It's a lesson learnt though. Hope you didn't spend too much.

 

[Verybuffed]

Is your relationship with your dealer good enough to take it back? Because most of mine would refund that shit, although i'd probably chuck it straight back in their face if it looked like that. It's a lesson learnt though. Hope you didn't spend too much.

I'd say that he bought it a while ago and stored it incorrectly. The weed was probably probably misted before sale to add weight and Chemi kept it sealed in the baggie the whole time he had it. That's the usual story.

 

[Tripman]

I'd say that he bought it a while ago and stored it incorrectly. The weed was probably probably misted before sale to add weight and Chemi kept it sealed in the baggie the whole time he had it. That's the usual story.

Ahhh yeah I didn't really think of this. Too true. I can't imagine a dealer getting away with selling that.

 

[TripppAR]

""i git these buds the other day full buds."

"obviously i chopped and mixed with tobacco"


Each to their own i guess...but tobacco. Come on man...

This IS a harm reduction site after all. So don't smoke tobacco. lol..

 

[chemi]

Is your relationship with your dealer good enough to take it back? Because most of mine would refund that shit, although i'd probably chuck it straight back in their face if it looked like that. It's a lesson learnt though. Hope you didn't spend too much.

Unfortunately the relationship isn't really good enough, but I'm sick of him anyway I won't go back to him. I just flushed it. Fortunately the bag came with a couple different strains in it so I didn't lose all that much.

I'd say that he bought it a while ago and stored it incorrectly. The weed was probably probably misted before sale to add weight and Chemi kept it sealed in the baggie the whole time he had it. That's the usual story.

I only bought it 8 days prior to taking that picture. It was kept in the baggie in a sealed jar. I've always kept weed in this way and never had issue before. How do you guys store?

 

[Verybuffed]

Unfortunately the relationship isn't really good enough, but I'm sick of him anyway I won't go back to him. I just flushed it. Fortunately the bag came with a couple different strains in it so I didn't lose all that much.

If they were all stored together the whole time they will all be mouldy. Some of it may not be visible but it will be there and will still he harmful to ingest. The particular strain that exhibited more mould growth may have contained more moisture than the others or may have been more susceptible to growing or displaying visible mould spores. Needless to say you need to flush it all.

I only bought it 8 days prior to taking that picture. It was kept in the baggie in a sealed jar. I've always kept weed in this way and never had issue before. How do you guys store?

Good question.

If you can tell that the weed you just bought is a little bit moist from misting then you need to dry it out properly before you can start to cure it. Once it is dry store the buds alone inside a sealed glass jar in a dark place and open the jar once a day and allow new air into the jar. Also check that it is not growing visible mould or smelling mouldy; smells like ammonia.

After a few day of doing this it will dry out properly and you can store it without worrying about mould. You can then deep cure the bud where you leave it in the jar for many months to years.

 

[Tripman]

Well 8 days is enough for it to go mouldy. The thing is that when stored in a baggie, if there is any moisture what so ever in your weed and it is in a baggie there is potential for it to sweat, especially when it comes into contact with sun/heat. I always found that you need to check your weed once you pick up, perhaps cure it/dry it out some more and then stick it in an airtight container. Tupperwear containers aren't good enough, get a glass jar that seals completely airtight. Then put it in a cool dark place.

And keeping your weed in a baggie well, i'm pretty sure baggies conduct static electricity and this pulls Trichromes off your weed. Don't quote me on that but I have heard it somewhere and it does make sense cause look at the baggie after its had weed in it. Looks very "dirty"

 

[Verybuffed]

Unfortunately the relationship isn't really good enough, but I'm sick of him anyway I won't go back to him. I just flushed it.

It looks above average weed under the mould. I wouldn't write the guy off if I was you, I would smoke that any day of the week if it wasn't mouldy.

Clean out your mouldy jar and have another go at storing a fresh lot properly

 

[Jakeperson]

Sorry, eeeeeee but I found that post very hard to believe all aspects of it as both my posts you replied too, you completely missed the point of.

The flyspray, gravy bud or whatever you want to call it has been circulating Adelaide long before this thread was even created, I find it hard to believe that, that batch would still exist any where, especially in large amounts due to how dry it has been.

 

[chemi]

Great tips guys, thanks very much.

I did flush it all as I have no intention to make my cannabis use any more harmful than it already is. It's a shame because it wasn't moudly when I first got it, the mould seems to have developed very quickly. I should have given it air as soon as I got it home.

Ah well, I'll know for next time. Thanks for your input Verybuffed and others

 

[Verybuffed]

It's a shame because it wasn't moudly when I first got it, the mould seems to have developed very quickly. I should have given it air as soon as I got it home.

It can happen really fast. Easily over night and especially in summer. There are lots of ways to dry it but just try sticking it in a dry paper bag in a dry dark place that's not too hot for the first day or two that you have it to be sure. Then into the jar.

Learn to look for the misted pot though, that is the important part. Not everyone steams their weed before they sell it.

If you have any problems we can always help you out on here

Plus once you learn how to dry and cure properly you can submit some juicy pics to Pot or Not.

 

[chemi]

It can happen really fast. Easily over night and especially in summer. There are lots of ways to dry it but just try sticking it in a dry paper bag in a dry dark place that's not too hot for the first day or two that you have it to be sure. Then into the jar. Learn to look for the misted pot though, that is the important part. Not everyone steams their weed before they sell it.

If you have any problems we can always help you out on here

Plus once you learn how to dry and cure properly you can submit some juicy pics to Pot or Not.

Yep, that seems like a good idea. You know I had noticed it was getting "softer" and much easier to break apart. By the time I flushed it away, it would fall apart if you tried to pick it up. Pretty tell-tale signs for others that might not be sure if theirs is mouldy or not.

 

[Wise420]

Thats fucked about the mold dude, soz to hear.

Ive never bought any moldy buds, although ive bought alot of buds that were wet/damp.

The only time ive ever seen mold on buds, was from my own grow earlier last year outdoors when my plants got attacked by mold after rains, and within less than a week the plants were dead/chopped because of the damage

Ive smoked alot of dirty buds before, but moldy buds are definatly a no go when it comes to it.

 

[bENtle]

yea was crazy stumblin across this thread and reading the first few pages of it... we call it fizzlecrack,,, its like sumone has sparked a lighter in yor cone wen u burnin it and it crackles,,, and is sooooooooooo harsh on yor throat,,, gave me a sore throat jus from smokin a few cones at a mates one nite,,
its usually that darker dank looking stuff, with sum darker orangy hairs... only kno one guy in brisbane that gets it tho....
i was fully jokin to me mates sayin sum prik has proly jus got a lead bar and filed a heap of shavings over a coupla p's... make a bit extra,, then read it in this thread... yikes...
but defo agree the smaller buds seem to have more of it than the larger ones...