Benzos A SERIOUS Etizolam(Etilaam) warning (Blepharospasms, possibly permanent)

[oltotlo]

+1 here on etizolam-induced blepharospasm. I was not able to determine if it was to to overconsumption or WD after finishing my PG solutions, so I am tapering off slowly until I can quit entirely. My spasms have reduced in frequency to about 1 fit in my right underside eyelid every 30 mins or so. It's minor but noticeable.

A side to anyone who was uncertain, benzo WD can seem a LOT like flared-up ADD so make sure you take care to ID your health problems correctly and if needed please seek professional help.

Be safe everyone

 

[stilllost]

^--- Please detail more about your eyelid spasms, PLEASE

 

[oltotlo]

They began weeks before I noticed them. I thought it was just a tic. I had recently been abusing my PG etizolam solution prolly pushing 10-20mg a day before eye twitches became noticeable. They are light tugs on my lower right eyelid. Can't tell if its a tug towards my nose or away. I ceased entirely and then learned that it takes more than hair on your balls to get through benzo WD so, I got more etizolam and overdiluted it. I'm titrating down to 1mg a day so I can quit. My eye jumps have been improving steadily.

Seems like the body wishes to come home slowly when you launch it into orbit.

My spasms have never impeded my life and I have no intent for them to do so. If I can help it. catch them early and everyonce in a while on etizolam, stare at your eyes in the mirror for a few minutes, especially after stress or exercise.

 

[stilllost]

Same here. Right eyelid. Light tugs that are sometimes noticable in the mirror.

10 weeks now. 8 weeks post-cessation. Sigh. You think these are permanment? I was taking less than you, around 2-8mg (8mg is on the UPPER END, rarely) of Etilaam/Etilaam MD per night

SIGH

Thank you. How long have you had them?

 

[stilllost]

Also do you think abruptly quitting pushed my twitches from "you're taking too much" to "this is a wd symptom"

 

[oltotlo]

Also do you think abruptly quitting pushed my twitches from "you're taking too much" to "this is a wd symptom"

Elaborate please? Im sorry I wasn't making a judgement about your experience only mine. that judgement was, (im taking etizolam, eye twitch, im stopping) -> (eye still twitching, im also WD, now I read WD can cause eye twitch) -> buys diluted product to do a proper titration off the drug.

Hope that cleared it up, and best of luck

 

[stilllost]

Elaborate please? Im sorry I wasn't making a judgement about your experience only mine. that judgement was, (im taking etizolam, eye twitch, im stopping) -> (eye still twitching, im also WD, now I read WD can cause eye twitch) -> buys diluted product to do a proper titration off the drug.

Hope that cleared it up, and best of luck

What I meant was is it a plausible theory that the twitches started as abuse then continued because I abruptly quit. I quit in two days. No seizures, few panic attacks but I'm good now -- except for the eye

 

[stilllost]

I saw the opthomologist today

Said it's not blepharo. Said that's much more serious. Said it's myokmia, transient eyelid twitch.

Said rest, don't work, chill out, don't drink caffeine, etc.


Went to the GP for seocnd opinion. GP backed it up and gave me 40 klonopin 1mg WTFFFFFFFFF

 

[blotterjam]

Eyelid twitching is extremely common. I would say more people have experienced it in their life than have not. Ask a few people, and you will see what I mean. I am not trivializing your issue at all as I don't know the deeper circumstances... but in general, it's almost always benign, and primary. Meaning harmless and not caused by any other ominous condition. As drug users we can be quick to attribute any physical condition we have to the lifestyle choices we make, however drugs are not always the cause. I can tell you personally because I've gone through periods of not using any drugs at all and still had the occasional eyelid twitch here and there.

I think the underlying reason we attribute things to drugs is the worry we may feel about doing them and also fear mongering about the health effects of drugs. Often the sociological, lifestyle choices and contamination of drugs are the main cause of harm, not the side effects of the substance. You should look at professor Nut's chart of harm that got him fired from the UK government for telling the truth, interesting stuff. Again, you may not like reading this and I really don't want to trivialize your problem, but hopefully give you some assurance that it an extremely common annoyance to have twitching eyelid in all sections of society and not something to be terribly worried about.

 

[Machete]

^
im inclined to agree here.
You cant separate medication, drugs and alcohol. This is a counter-productive view thats fairly out-dated and only works to down play the risks of medications and alcohol.

Or play up the risks of recreational drugs, as is often the case!

 

[missmeyet?]

I saw the opthomologist today

Said it's not blepharo. Said that's much more serious. Said it's myokmia, transient eyelid twitch.

Said rest, don't work, chill out, don't drink caffeine, etc.


Went to the GP for seocnd opinion. GP backed it up and gave me 40 klonopin 1mg WTFFFFFFFFF

Not trying to upset you but honey calm down. I know that this is bugging you to death but in no way is this considered a serious medical issue.

It is very common and is just a little spasm of the muscle in the eyelid that is commonly caused by fatigue, eye strain, caffeine, smoke or even seasonl allergies. It usually resolves on its own. The klonopin will help and will chill out your anxiety over it a little bit.

 

[stilllost]

I don't want to jump the gun here, I may feel silly in two days when I'm in the middle of a spasm attack but get this.

Optho told me to purchase artifical tears, they have something in them, not sure what. I've doused my eyes with this stuff, they're single use containers like the Forensic Source test kits (lol) and uhh.. since 5PM (it's 1:30AM) I've really had nary a twitch. Putting together the pieces:

- Started wearing contacts, they bugged the fuck out of my eyes
- Started wearing sunglasses, they bugged the fuck out of my eyes

This was all January-May

I bought the sunglasses about 2 weeks before this started and they gave me HELL, add that to Southern USA humidity in the summer and I think we found the problem and solution.

I'm going to feel like a PANZY if dry eye was it but I'll be so happy. I've only wasted about $400 on doctor visits and Botox


I've intentionally tried to provoke my eye to twitch, rubbing, touching, pushing and nada. I had a couple in the shower (humidity) and a couple here and there but HOLY SHIT I ALMOST FEEL I HAVE MY LIFE BACK

 

[crOOk]

To determine whether benzodiazepine or thienodiazepine derivatives can induce blepharospasm, the medication history of 254 consecutive patients (67 men, 157 women) with blepharospasm were examined retrospectively. There were 35 patients (13.8%) who had used etizolam before onset of blepharospasm, and this incidence was significantly higher than the two cases (3.3%) in the control group of 61 patients that had used etizolam (p,0.05) before onset of hemifacial spasms. Other psychotropics were used in 53 patients (20.9%) prior to development of blepharospasm, and this was significantly higher than those who had used other psychotropics (6.5%) in the control patients (p,0.01).

Source: J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry. 2004 March; 75(3): 506–507.

 

[THCified]

Blepharospasms are a well-known side-effect of Etizolam. And regarding the fact you took way more (2.0mg - 8.0mg) than it's clinically advised (0.25mg - 1.0mg), i think it's absolutely no wonder that this happened. It's also known that this can persist even after totally ceasing taking the Etizolam, so just be happy if it goes away and think about what and how much you take BEFORE serious stuff like this happens.

That said, i'm occasionally taking Etizolam for nearly 2 years now and i never built up tolerance nor did i experience any other withdrawal symptoms or side effects i could relate to my Etizolam intake.

I say, if threated respectfully, this substance is at least as safe to ingest as any other Benzodiazepine. It is prescribed in at least 2 countries, Italy and Japan, and besides Blepharospasms and the increase in prolactin blood levels as a result of prolonged intake, there are no side-effects known of.

 

[crOOk]

I say, if threated respectfully, this substance is at least as safe to ingest as any other Benzodiazepine.

Now what would make you say that, do you have any proof?
I'm no expert on benzodiazepines, but the study above suggests etizolam USE (which means abiding to the prescribed dosages) carries at least one side effect that use of other benzodiazepines doesn't, or not with such a high probability, yet you are saying etizolam is as safe or safer than other benzodiazepines.

 

[THCified]

I didn't say it is safer, but as least 'as safe' as taking any other Benzodiazepine .

Every BZP has it's side-effects. Take a look at Tetrazepam, which can occasionally lead to 'delayed type 4 allergic hypersensitivity reactions, including aculopapular exanthema, erythematous rash, urticarial eruption, erythema multiforme, photodermatitis, eczema and Stevens–Johnson syndrome'. (Source: Wikipedia).

Because of that, 'The European Commission has confirmed the suspension of the marketing authorisations for Tetrazepam in Europe because of cutaneous toxicity, effective from the 1 August 2013'. (Source: Wikipedia)

Diazepam, as another example, is strictly not recommended for people having a condition called 'histamine intolerance', because of it's allergic reaction/impact on histamine receptors. This, hypothetically could be a pre-stage of what Tetrazpam does in 'handicapped' people.

Furthermore, Diazepam (as most other BZPs) also has a not to be underestimated chance of impact on cognitive abilities, especially when taken for prolonged periods, which can lead to cognitive deficits that may persist for at least six months, and in some cases, even longer after cessation. (Source: Wikipedia)

 

[stilllost]

Well the twitches are still present sometimes but the eye goo, gel and drops have helped.

I got an Rx to Restatis and will go get it soon

 

[Ksa]

I've had blepharospasms too, but from Dexedrine. It doesn't stay dude, these things are rarely permanent.

 

[phactor]

Hope you are feeling better... I will occasionally get eye twitches from stress. First remember getting them in the 7th grade.

 

[BK Bonkey Kong]

OP, the first search result on Google for "etizolam blepharospasm" is a study from etizolam's native country (Japan) that describes how etizolam-induced blepharospasm fares over time. They concluded that "After cessation, blepharospasm started to improve in all cases within 2 months (average 3.9 weeks)." I think you and your doctor jumped the gun by going to Botox injections after only six weeks and saying drastic things like "we don't know if they'll ever go away". You were on a high dose and are seriously underestimating the length of benzodiazepine withdrawal.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3132861/

I got blepharospasms from etizolam too back when I used it like two years ago. They went away at around the same rate as the other withdrawal effects, I'd say.