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7 years medical training.... Really??

It's easy to moan about the medical profession but thank God they're there and free. If you'd ever lived in a country where healthcare is for the monied minority only, you'd be on your knees in gratitude for a system which not only allows quick access to a professional diagnosis but the medicines to treat it as well. I went through a Hep C treatment a couple of years back; a lifesaving course that cost ten of thousands of pounds was mine on demand simply because I'd the good fortune to be born in this country.

Sure, you get dorks and bad advice, particular when those 'drugs' of which the propaganda machine disapproves are involved. If you've been to university, you'll know the general reputation of medical students. Qualifying for a M.D. doesn't metamorphise them into epitomes of cool at a stroke. But, even if you're landed with a fascist or a moron, you can change to another doctor on application. I think the NHS wonderful and we should all be vigilant against Tory efforts to sell the whole thing into the hands of private companies - then the poor would have problems
 
The alternative isn't selling it off, it's a properly resourced health service. Why are you defending it, there's no need for the service to be so shit other than the criminal ways our resources are siphoned off elsewhere.

Just because things could be worse doesn't mean they shouldn't be better!
 
*munroe. I am pretty much going thru the same situation right now with my mom shes been batteling depression all her life but she is one of those people that makes sure everyone around her is taken care of then if theres enough time in the day she might change her clothes anyways a week ago she took 60 something 10/325


viks trying to stop thinking and then went to ER after
 
She had like 40pills left and they gave them bak to her and sent her home less than 24 hr later 3 days later I get a call from the police saying its my mom .where I live the hospital kills more people than save its horible ,my friend had to have a c-section and they cut her babys head y
 
badandwicked said:
But there's a hell of a lot to defend. And although there's a hell of a lot that could be improved, it's not SO shit (imo).

The good conciencious doctors with 'proper' motives for being in the profession must get sick & saddened of hearing the NHS slammed.
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I think a lot of them would agree with their patients to be honest. I'm not one for having a go at individual GPs really, although I've seen bad decision making and poor patient care. As I said in my earlier post, it's more the system that they work in that needs improved. The problem seems to be overworked professionals with dangerously out-of-date skills; the solution (part of it anyway) would seem to be more health care professionals with better ongoing education.
 
I agree, it's the system. People enter the profession for a variety of reasons, unfortunately for some its ego & glory, some money, some to be able to move abroad, some a deep interest in matters medical, and some altruistic. The area of bedside manner & patient dignity used to be very much focused on, now I think they do about 2 lectures on it and that's it.

But none of them enter the profession because they want to be business managers. How can they perform well if they're expected to deal with issues that consume all their time and energy such as staffing and budgets.
 
badandwicked said:
I wasn't really paying attention but there was something on the news last night about doctors refusing to prescribe opiates to those in desperate need, like horrific pain due to Motor Neurone or terminal cancer.
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http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/05may/Pages/opioid-painkillers-palliative-care-guidelines.aspx

A GP refused to prescribe me Tramadol, despite the fact that I was suffering acute, disabling pain, hadn't slept for about a week and he had a letter on file from a hospital pain management consultant saying that I needed it. He had clearly seen pale skin, long hair and facial piercings as soon as I walked in the door and made his mind up there and then.

Fortunately, he didn't account for the fact that I'm a bit of a dick about stuff like this. Made a formal complaint, received a written apology from him and the practice manager, got the script and subsequently changed GPs.

The whole humiliating episode still makes me quite angry, though.
 
I don't think Drs need to care as much as nurses by a long shot. They just need to be intelligent and paying attention. Nurses on the other hand need to care - otherwise there is no motivation to wipe that patients arse on time and get his meds to him when he needs them. Both probably need to be equally dedicated to work the insanely long shifts that are asked of them though. I don't even know when my surgeons sleep. They are there when I go to sleep at 1 or 2 in the morning, and there to do morning rounds at 7-9 in the morning.
 
my mate failed his final year twice, held down serious alchololism for a decade but ultimately failed it for not being fit for practice.
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
I don't think Drs need to care as much as nurses by a long shot. They just need to be intelligent and paying attention.
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I don't agree. Especially if you're a GP or in paediatrics or geriatrics. Being ill is stressful enough but when your life or your child/parents life is literally in the hands of someone who can't be bothered to even greet you or who sweeps through the ward as though they're some sort of demi-god it makes it all a whole lot worse. Caring should underpin everything they do, and if that's lacking everything else follows suit. I just feel sorry for the docs who want to take the time to care but aren't allowed to by the system.

Nurses are indeed heros but some patients maybe take their time & care for granted and focus on the doctor. Having a humble & compassionate doctor can make all the difference in how somebody views and reflects back on their hospital experience. Too many arrogant arsehole doctors produced by the private education system but thats another debate ;)
 
Most of my doctors are just insanely intelligent and hard working and that suffices for me. They don't actually give a shit about me. They are just people who are interested in the biology of medicine and the puzzle of it all. I don't mind what their motivation is as long as they are motivated to treat me! I think caring is probably a bit more important for GPs though. Caring would almost be prohibitive for my doctors when they have to make serious life altering decisions and cut me up on a regular basis. They have to just see me as an animal.
 
O I thought we were talking about the qualities they need to complete their job competently. Given that their job is diagnosis and treatment, caring is just an add on that some patients seem to expect. Like you say though some patients seem to need that, whereas I would be just as happy if a robot diagnosed me (which is where the future is taking us hopefully).
 
Some genuinely shit experiences. I think it's a real shame that most gp's probably went into the job with high expectations and good patient care intentions. Only to become complacent after a while, a sorry state of affairs. Thanks for all the replies, was interesting.
 
knockando said:
The alternative isn't selling it off, it's a properly resourced health service. Why are you defending it, there's no need for the service to be so shit other than the criminal ways our resources are siphoned off elsewhere.

Just because things could be worse doesn't mean they shouldn't be better!
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In such areas of the health service already privatised, notably Drug Treatment, the waste and cynical diversion of resources is ten times worse.
 
charlie clean said:
In such areas of the health service already privatised, notably Drug Treatment, the waste and cynical diversion of resources is ten times worse.
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I'm sure that's right. I am not in favour of privatisation. One can be critical of the NHS without advocating privatisation! Although I will admit, the parliamentary system is good at making it look like there are only two possible policy choices.
 
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