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7 years medical training.... Really??

Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
Sorry, but the NHS would fall apart without the private sector. They provide all the equipment used, they provide all the medicines, they build all the buildings, they run all of the GP surgeries.
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Well. unless you expect the doctors to lay the bricks and mortars, yes, a private building firm will build the surgeries. The new GP trusts are complex affairs but who do you think pays their salaries? Wimpey?

I remain of the belief you are an unreconstructed Stalinist in the employ of North Korea and masquerade as a cartoon capitalist in order to subvert our institutions by bringing capitalism into disrepute. Either that or your own bizarre drug regimen - no wonder you distrust GPs - has sent you skew wiffy. A long rest in a Buddhist or Trappist retreat may help.;)
 
Never had a problem moving GP surgeries, and getting an appointment within a week. Subsequent appointments can be booked on the day, if you ring early. This is in Rochdale, of all places - can it really be worse, elsewhere?
 
That's fucking mental! If you're ill, then surely you need seeing? You probably won't be ill in four or five weeks (or you'll be dead ;)).
 
You can almost always get an appointment the same day you phone here. Do have to phone as soon as they open though. Along with everybody else so can be a bit of a lottery. Only one day a week that you can book an appointment in advance for which is a pisser :\

This is right out in the sticks, mind, when I last lived in a medium-size town (7 years back) it was up to three days waiting time. Have never had any problem changing GPs anywhere I've lived.

And my GP is just dandy. Others have been shite. Shop around if at all feasible, I say.
 
@Treacle - I know, it is madness. Although, people do often need to see their GPs in situations other than acute illness. If you have ongoing problems then you may need to see them for various reasons which don't fall into the "ill, must be seen immediately" category.

Yes most places do the morning phone call / go in and wait thing but if you try to book an actual appointment it's "next month at the earliest"!

I wasn't registered with a GP but I needed to speak to one as I'd been suicidal and I wanted referred to counselling. I phone the first surgery and they told me they couldn't see me until I was registered, which would take a couple of days processing, and even then it was a four or five week wait. They told me to try the other surgery up the road! I phoned them thinking the first one must have been a bit odd but they told me the same thing!

It wasn't until my cousin, who was a Community Psychiatric Nurse, spoke to them that I got anywhere. She was on the phone to them for about 20 minutes, told them it was an emergency etc. They still couldn't see me the same day, I actually had to wait for three days. In the end the GP actually came to my home at 7pm on a Friday.

He said he would refer me to a counsellor but basically not to hold my breath because there were not enough to go round. I thought he was pulling my leg. I am still waiting to get my assessment appointment almost three months later!

Even trying to see a nurse you have to book appointments a week in advance.

I have no complaints about the doctors or other staff though, they are very good. They just seem to be overloaded.
 
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Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
Of course they are slightly overloaded (a), over 90% of all treatment and diagnosis is carried out by GPs!(b)
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I don't see why (a) follows from (b)?

Also it doesn't fit in with the fact I have seen my GP for 10 minutes in the last three months whereas I've seen about five different nurses and physiotherapists for literally hours. And the receptionist, who is able to do repeat prescriptions.
 
The surgery as a whole knock... They are doing 90% of everything the NHS does in there and they don't have 90% of all the drs and nurses do they? Plus you generally have to wait a lot longer than a week for most hospital treatment. They are getting shit done at a reasonably efficient speed at a reasonably efficient cost.
 
OK thanks for clarifying. I'll take the 90% on trust.


So general practice accounts for 90% of the work and they don't have 90% of the staff. Yes, that's what I've been saying all this time. It needs more resource.
 
Yeah, I've seen people queued up booking appointments, and they've been a month wait. I get an appointment every two weeks. If people need constant help, their GPs can book them an appointment, for whenever they see fit. They can totally override the normal appointment system, and fit you in. I suppose it depends if you're considered 'ill' enough.
 
Is there some mad expectation here that doctors, the health service should be prefect?

Who the fuck plants these "expectation" seeds and how daft are we to believe them. No wonder we're disappointed.

Manage your expectations...
 
kate said:
Is there some mad expectation here that doctors, the health service should be prefect?

Who the fuck plants these "expectation" seeds and how daft are we to believe them. No wonder we're disappointed.

Manage your expectations...
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No Kate, of course not. Nothing will ever be perfect. But the healthcare system is quite important to people, and it could be considerably better than it is.

I think what people find particularly offensive, certainly I find it offensive, is that there is gross disparity of wealth in the world such that some lucky people have personal fortunes to rival small nations, while other people struggle to get help with health conditions which threaten their lives, or severely affect the quality of their lives.

Why do you feel we're expecting too much?
 
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Maybe my experiences of the national health service have been more positive that I expected, and paid for ones less so (that included psychology and drug counselling). I've been impressed all round and grateful for the care, attention and assistance to the best of their knowledge i can get. What I really got was there people treating me were just like me - humans with all the ails and fuckedupness we all cope with.

I've had babies, mental health issues, broken bones, illnesses and whatnot and the health service in my country has done me proud - they have exceeded my expectations. I believe the core of my health related responsibilities lie with me. Though thankfully if i hadn't been sectioned to have my sons, I'd be dead and them motherless...I have a lot to be thankful for.

in my profession I try my very best too - but i'm human and fuck up.

I feel fortunate and blessed to get such services beyond my expectations - I didn't think it would have been like that.
 
Yeah, I'm sure we can all agree that it's great we have a health service! We are very lucky to live at this time in history, a few hundred years ago we'd be pretty much fucked for most of the things we take for granted nowadays from the NHS.

At the same time I think it's in our own interests, but more significantly it's our duty for the sake of future generations, that as a society/species we try to improve the way we run our affairs.

If previous generations didn't think things could be better, and if they had not done something about it, then we wouldn't have what we have now! How selfish to give up trying!
 
knockando said:
Yeah, I'm sure we can all agree that it's great we have a health service! We are very lucky to live at this time in history, a few hundred years ago we'd be pretty much fucked for most of the things we take for granted nowadays from the NHS.

At the same time I think it's in our own interests, but more significantly it's our duty for the sake of future generations, that as a society/species we try to improve the way we run our affairs.

If previous generations didn't think things could be better, and if they had not done something about it, then we wouldn't have what we have now! How selfish to give up trying!
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I cannot but agree with you - but its always mindful to remember that the medical profession like all professionals are just as fucked up as the rest of us. We;re all human and us such our experience in life alter little. We tend to have higher expectation of these people, most try their best - whatever "best" may be.

We're all the same knockando - we;re flesh blood brain and souls regardless of our social position - that i agree with you. Some of us pursue skills to help others, too many for greed and selfish narcissist agendas ,,,,

I am grateful to the British NHS. I have been lucky in the lottery so far :\
 
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I agree with you 100% that the medical professionals are humans like the rest of us. It would be strange if I thought otherwise - several of my close family are health care professionals.

My criticism of the service is not intended, and should not be taken, as criticism of the people who carry out the work. Some of them are undoubtedly arseholes but it's not important to me.

My criticism is aimed at the mismatch between the number of people doing the work and the number of people the work demands.

For me it's about resource allocation - social policy. Not about blaming individuals.
 
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What is annoying is the management and financial systems, totally draconian like much of the public sector (which I work for to' I'm plain ole gov) ...millions are leaked (wasted) out by bad purchasing and corrupt and inadequate financial systems that could br better directed toward patient care. Fucking irks me and it isnt rocket science either, its a control and old school bureaucratic system tied to very old political systems...grrr

I'm not one for spouting my opinions on BL, i actually make it a policy of mine, so i should stop now, but have enjoyed my chat with you knockando <3
 
When folk hammer the fuk out of the NHS it can really piss me off cos were actually lucky to get free Health care.

Many people take it for granted i don't i'd be up shit creak ( DEad ) without the NHS .
 
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