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4-methylaminorex (4-MAR)

hey nice site, heard about it for years but never bothered to check out..

OND43X knows his shit, after being around 4mar for a while you certaily get to know the difference in the re-puddling charateristics....those patterns give it away!

certaily seen a resurgence lately in aus with the ol lady.....energy from the sun!
 
bootleg said:
hey nice site, heard about it for years but never bothered to check out..

OND43X knows his shit, after being around 4mar for a while you certaily get to know the difference in the re-puddling charateristics....those patterns give it away!

certaily seen a resurgence lately in aus with the ol lady.....energy from the sun!
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yeah it actually heaps resembles thin ice recrystalliseing, alot more than how crystal meth looks when it reforms in my opinion. hence maybe the reason or the 'ice' term for it long before crystal meth was an evil sparkle in a cooks eye :)4mar forms heaps of criss crosses, ripples etc with no real direction or purpose, whereas it seems crystal reforms with almost a web like apperance, straighter ripples. makes sense when 4mar will solidify alot faster than crystal
 
also some advice if you think you have purchased 4mar. be carefull with the amount you consume as i now know i had experienced the other week. i dont know what the 'medical' dosages are but do not have as much as you usually would if smokeing crstal meth. I consumed about 1.5 points over 2 hours (too much)and then my head starting feeling pressure and a headache like how mdma would do sometimes if you had too many.
 
I wish people would stop using the term 'base' unless they're actually referring to the methamphetamine freebase oil. Meth freebase is a volatile liquid at room temperature so it's hard to handle, and since it's not water soluble it's hard to use too. I think it's smokable (I've looked high and low without much luck) but its caustic, and since making it into the hcl salt is just one fairly simple step I can't imagine why anyone would sell methamphetamine freebase.
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4 mar doses are lower than for meth. Wikipedia describes recreational dosages as being between 5-25mg; I'd consider 30mg vapourised a good sesh for your average weekend crackie warrior. Of course purities and tolerances mean this can only ever be a rough guide, but it's always better to start low. I've noticed that 4 mar continues to increase in intensity for 5-10 minutes after a puff, which means if you're used to sucking meth down til you get to your desired high, you'll probably do too much 4. Also, the ld-50 for 4 mar is quite low - only about a gram for a 60kg person.

It definitely seems to delay scatterday, but ime it's definitely just a delay rather than an elimination of all those fun symptoms hanging off the pipe for days will give you. I think its long half life is probably responsible, but with that also comes insomnia that seems to last forever - ime it's twice as long before I can sleep on 4 than on meth.

OND43X said:
this stuff seemed to want to re-crystalise very quick, so much that alot of white smoke had built up in the pipe stem, and when i smoked it, i almost fell over cos instantly my eyes would roll into the back of my head and id get a amil-nitrate like rush go through my body with tingles and heavy legs.
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I often find the stem more rushy and have spoken to others that agree. I don't know but I've been thinking that impurities left over from a synth are what gives 'speed' it's rushiness in comparison to meth. If these had a lower melting point than meth it would make sense why these would tend to condense in the stem. The 'amyl nitrite' rush you describe is probably just a drop in blood pressure triggered by a lack of oxygen - the same sort of 'rush' you get from blacking out.

I've always found that the more pure the meth is, the less stimulating it is. I would guess you just had more pure than normal meth, but the way to know for sure is by reagent testing :)
 
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I don't believe that 4 mar should show any colour change with mandelin at all. This thread suggests the same.

Do you have marquis? I've tested it with that and saw no colour change, just some bubbling.
 
footscrazy said:
Do you have marquis? I've tested it with that and saw no colour change, just some bubbling.
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I do not. Hmm, from what I read (let's put it in simple terms) bubbling is a good sign, the colour change isn't. Marquis show meth as brown(ish), however i used a Mandelin reagent which should show (meth)amphets as green(ish), which you can clearly see from the pic it's brown. It's this which is confusing me.
 
^If marquis turned orange at all, what you have is adulterated with meth, no doubt.

All 4-MAR i have seen that has been quality had no color change whatsoever, just bubbling.
 
tyrael said:
Evening peoples,

(taking into account this is more then likely cut to buggery) The first link are post-reagent (Mandelin) pics, and the second being the video of me testing.

Thoughts, opinions? +D

http://img832.imageshack.us/g/dscf3293e.jpg/

http://img149.imageshack.us/i/4sd.mp4/

What I find interesting, and it hasn't been mentioned here, is the quick change of colour from dark to light brown.
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been quite a few years since i Have tested methamphetamines with mand and marq but still can remember enough to help you out abit mate.
it looked like your mandalin results show a light orange colour. Meth is green to a yellow colour, the light orange colour indicates a possible salt cut and methamphetamine. Salts can come up orange. Brown for marquis is a methamp indication.
 
it was a slight slight slight slight colour change yo :p
it coulda been the straw i used. as i tested my mates meth and mine after. to be in comparison. i reckon that accounts for the slight slight slight change in colour :)
 
No availability discussion puh lease

Fascinating that it doesn't seem to be on the market anywhere else in the world...make the most of it I say.
 
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Well I've used speed regularly for 3 years and only knowingly encountered it once, but I might have taken it before and not known. The differences are subtle enough that unless you're looking for them or you're a particularly discerning user, you're likely to just write it off as the inevitable variations between batches of street drugs.

From what little I can gather, it's generally just cooked up and sold as meth, much in the same way that MDA/MDEA or similar are often sold as ecstasy, it's only when somebody a bit more in the know encounters it that it gets recognized for what it is.

I'm not sure if this thread can be taken to indicate that there's more 4-MAR around lately, I think AUDD is too small a sample size to try and judge market trends like that.
 
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the outsider said:
How would people characterise the availability of 4-methylaminorex in Aus? Like, only available from time to time, in certain locations, if you're well-connected? That's the impression I get from reading this thread through. It's clandestinely synthed, right? (Can't think where it could be imported from...).
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Crankinit said:
From what little I can gather, it's generally just cooked up and sold as meth, much in the same way that MDA/MDEA or similar are often sold as ecstasy, it's only when somebody a bit more in the know encounters it that it gets recognized for what it is.
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yeh the times i have gotten it this year, quite afew times nowit is always sold to me as 'ice' (the common term for large clear crystal methamp) its a hit and miss thing, sometimes i get crystal meth, sometimes 4mar. cant really tell by looking at them. they both look the same. its just 4mar to me gives off a much more whiter smoke than crystal meth and looks alot more like ice when it has re-solidified. also alot more whiter when reforming too. i think there is alot of it (4mar) around atm its just without a tester or common knowledge of each chem, to most ppl its just 'ice' lol which here in australia can mean both but is normally meant to mean crystal. prob have a higher chance of getting ripped off if someone went out asking for 4mar lol.
the outsider said:
Fascinating that it doesn't seem to be on the market anywhere else in the world...make the most of it I say.
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I think it may be due to australia for many years now having one of the highest methamp use in world, read somewhere highest percapita in western world, maybe that and the fact we are very close to countries with easy access to chemicals to import the groups producing these drugs are prob very experiencenced now and the fact our customs and police only focus on what is already established in our country unlike the uk which has been fighting to keep meth even though it hasnt really made a presece there yet. just my 2cents
 
From the moment I had 4-MAR I said mixing it with meth would be the ultimate high,
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if you don't die from cardiac arrest , this combi will raise your bloodpressure and puts your heart in stress mode.....harm reduction please guys.
there are some medicines to reduce these.

collecting most info from above and my own experience :
4-mar with ez-test (marquis) will bubble and not change color ,
meth will start orange turn brown overtime.

But.....ephedrine will bubble and not change color either...
But part 2 : PPA will bubble and not change color.

some of you may have had ephedrine or PPA instead of 4-mar.
both are reasonably good stimulants when smoked

4-mar sublingual can take up to an hour to start , orally even up to 2 hours.

it's not as rare as most people think , can be made from PPA found in certain flu-medicines in Oz..
and other countries.
but from that same compound you can also make meth.

So that is probably why there is more meth , also more routes to meth and more demand and therefore supply ofcourse.

I've only seen 4-mar in very fine powder , had both isomers (happy to have friends that work at a medical/chemical well known university.)

liked the racemic best. but not much difference between them.

by the way it's my fav stim.

4mar is like a welldressed luring seductive beautiful call girl in comparinson to the sleazy-gutter-whore that meth can be.
by the way d,l-meth is my second favorite stim.

kiss kiss

your EX.
 
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