2c-i Damage ?

[sherpa101]

maybe it has something to do with the process of making it?

maybe something about the process of 2ci means it can be easily contaminated(hard to filter out solvents and stuff), maybe that would explain why it seems to have bad effects for some, and no long term effects for others.

 

[Synto]

I just read this thread again, and I think what I posted before was a little light compared to what really came about from that trip. It left a pretty serious (in my opinion) permenant impact on my mental state. I think about it at least once every other day, if not every day. That along with my horrid insufflated 2C-T-7 experience. I wonder if one can experience Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from a very very extreme trip.

 

[andruejaysin]

I've never had negative affects from 2c-i, other than a slight hangover the next day, probably from not getting enough sleep. I've done doses up to 50mg (snorted, and I don't recommend this!) without nause or headache. The only downside for me was that I seemed to get less and less visuals the more times I tried the stuff.

 

[flyingbanana]

^this has happened to me too, first time was undoubtedly the best and at only 12 mg. subsequent trials at higher doses were never able to match the intensity of that first trial, and after the 2nd trial the negative physical side effects just became more pronounced that i had to eventually give up on this compound

 

[Bi0hazardOpeth]

At first I felt 2c-i to be diet -LSD. And then I realised that it had a shredding, ripping quality. It's rough. It's tweaky. I had strange electrical currents jolting through my system for months, and I developed an odd twitch. All gone now. All definitive, objective prognosis on the physical effects of 2c-i are mere speculation.

I prefer to bank with Alice Dee and Psilocybin these days.

I have the same after effects now.. Jolting energy that is like a tremor to spasm at times. It feels like a left over stimulant body load, that uses spasms/jolts to try to release the excess energy. How long did it take you to get rid of the tweaky, jolting odd twich feelings. It's been 8 months since my last 2C-I use and I'm still experiencing it. Even more so when I smoke cannabis, which never used to do this to me before.

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Hi,

Since doing 2C-I (18-23mg)- 8 Times in 5-6 months, I have had this left over increase in my metabolism and a Stimulant (Ritalin-like) raciness/body load. With abrupt small to medium Muscle Spasms & Tension - like my body is releasing the body load in muscle jolts. I've read of others saying they got the same after effects from 2C-I and even 2C-E. Even when I don't smoke I still feel this left over change in raciness/stimulant fidgetiness that is miles more intense than ever before. It would be like being on large amounts of stimulants, where my body would twitch in small ways as a way to let out the excess stimulant energy. Not very pleasant or socially helpful at all.

1) Can people share their experiences of reoccurring stimulant body load - weeks to months after taking 2C-I or other 2C-X/phenethylamines?

2) Also, any reports of other after effects from 2C-I, which used to or continue to get re-activated, with or without cannabis months to years after taking a 2C compound?

I'm curious if certain phenylethylamines can have an effect on left over stimulant/bodyload based reactivation similar to how other 2C-I flashbacks can be brought forth? My metabolism seems much faster, without a doubt. I'm 25 and since 2C-I have had some hairs die and turn grey, not my general hair color or anything, and a feeling like I'm on speed, with a lot more dopamine and maybe norepinephrine bandwidth/uncontrollable stimulation. Something new is when I'm in the cold, my body has a much harder time handling it, and starts to tremor right away almost uncontrollably in certain situations. Overall I really feel like my metabolism is sped up.

I'm really trying to figure out the connection between this, since some other people have also discussed it very directly on other 2c-i forums. I wrote a more detailed write up of my Positive and negative after effects from this left of stimulant effects. I no longer need to take stimulants for my ADHD, it's like it's naturally there, to name one. Although, sometimes my hands kind of do a fast tremor like when I was actually on stimulants, 2 years ago, which sucks. I feel a little jittery, like rushed in my head, also some muscle spastic movements or pulses/bodyloads. Similar to taking 2C-I, where the energy bodyload builds up and you want to kind of shake it out of you, or tap your feet to release it. I feel what seems to be left over manifests itself in small jumps in muscle movements as a subconscious release of the energy. This can happen in social situations, where I have trouble slowing down to the pace of the conversation. This didn't use to happen, after I stopped taking Ritalin. It wasn't full blown, but I really feel racy in my head, which can make it hard to create a proper conversation speed, or feeling rush on responding.

More detailed report here @ http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=524441

Thanks in advance, for all the input and advice...

-Bi0hazard

 

[Roger&Me]

Nobody knows. Period. Due to the nature of the effects of the drug, the pharmacology is probably extremely similar to mescaline, so I would predict that 2C-I causes absolutely no damage to your body or mind.

I disagree.

Pharmacologically speaking, there is a huge difference between mescaline and 2c-i.

I don't think you can draw a useful analogy between a 3,4,5-trimethoxy substituted phenethylamine and a phenethylamine with a 2,5-dimethoxy and 4-iodo substitution pattern.

Clearly, in 2c-x compounds, the mass and electronegativity of the 4-position has a giant effect on the pharmacology of the compound. The heavier and less electronegative the group on the 4-position is, the more peripheral side-effects the compound displays. (speculation: possibly due in part to increased 5-HT2C agonism?) It's pretty hard to find another group that's heavier and less electronegative than an iodine.

2C-I is certainly not as harmless as mescaline, IMO.

From personal experience, I can also confidently say that 2C-I felt toxic and displayed a poor ratio of desired effects to unwanted effects.

 

[Roger&Me]

I'm just bumping this thread back to the front page for a bit, so that it gets more views.

I think its important for people to understand that 2C-I is capable of being a rather harsh member of the 2C-x 'family', and that it should be approached with caution and respect.

It's not as dangerous as the sulfur-containing 2Cs, like 2C-T-7 for instance, but it's still not completely benign. Additionally, anecdotal reports (and personal experience on my part) seem to indicate that 2C-I feels subjectively less benign with every repeated administration.

I would refrain from snorting 2C-I and/or taking large doses. It's fairly well established that 2C-I is safe in reasonable, ORAL doses. We know nothing about the safety of other methods of administration.

Be careful with this stuff. I've had friends complain about long-lasting side effects from the use of 2C-I (mainly lasting visual disturbances and abnormal gastrointestinal function that took a long time to normalize).

Of note: they were dosing responsibly, in accordance with the guidelines in PIHKAL. So please note that abuse was not the issue in these cases.

 

[ebola?]

As far as I can tell. the prominence of lingering after-effects appears to scale mostly with the prominence of visual and physiological effects during the trip. This appears to especially be the case when we look at 2c-t-series chemicals (as you mention).

You're right in that 2C-I carries a good deal of 5ht2c agonism (as do most all psychedelics, as the 5ht2a and 2c subtypes are highly structurally similar), but it is nowhere in the league of, say, mcpp, and not far removed from that of other 2Cs. I see how this could make the trip more stimulating in an unpleasant way, but nothing yet indicates its implication in HPPD or other lasting negative effects.

ebola

 

[F1n1shed]

After reading these things dude you should take it with extreme caution. Meaning you should definitely think about spacing it out more than you want to. Don't listen to the bull shit when someone says i've been doing it a couple times a week for what ever period of time. They obviously aren't in touch with them self, i already made that mistake with mdma even though i was spacing it out i should have done it even more. If there are consistent reports of people saying it felt toxic to them , and gave them visual disturbances, and hppd like symptoms take these things extremely seriously.

 

[Choronzon333]

Well I do 2c-i two sometimes three times a week (and at high doses 35mg+)! And so far I am fine and I've done it over 100 times in the last year. If anyone ever has bad reprucussions from longterm 2c-i use, it will be me. The only thing I notice different from before I started using 2c-i all the time is the ability to remember more of my dreams and the fact that my dreams are really crazy now which is fun. Also I do get "slight" visual disturbances the next day but they are nothing like I've heard others claim they've had when they smoke weed the day after.

damn you really are master satan!

 

[theotherside]

I have been using a "fair" amount of 2c's the last year or so, 2c-i being the most used. At doses under 25mg's it feels easy on the body, but the so called "HPPD" is usually reported to be the worst with this one. I think it is a good one to start out with compared with say, 2c-e, which IMO is more of a a classical/hard psychedelic. I haven't noticed anything "bad" about 2c-i that makes it stand apart from others in its' class, in fact I can wake up from a ci trip and forget I even had the trip being that the experience is so "lite". I don't know much about doses above 25m'gs.

The 2c that I couldn't wait to try in the right setting but has had the most "negative" after effects was my reccent encounter with 2c-P......it wasn't meant for these times Maybe the next generation will have more luck with it as I was BLOWN AWAY from 8mg's.