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2c-i Damage ?

Originally posted by gloggawogga
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Many of us who have tried 2c-i and numerous other research chems and can compare them do find 2c-i to have more disturbing side effects than many of the others. And it is most certainly more toxic than LSD or shrooms.

"Many of us" doesn't offer definitive proof, only anecdotal evidence than could lay the grounds for a hypothesis. The pool of RC users is extremely small compared with any other drug, psychedelic or otherwise. The reactions different people get from some of these seem to vary so widely that without real scientific study and testing for toxicity, etc. to claim anything about the short or long term effects is really just guess work.

And I'm not trying to defend 2C-I (although I can see how it may seem that way seeing how well it's treated me); I do realize it is more toxic than LSD or shrooms. Either of the latter would take huge amounts to OD on, but every RC is more toxic if you are using LSD and shrooms as a measuring stick. Which RCs are more toxic than others is impossible to know without real scientific study.

My circles who have tried 2C-I (again, the most widely available RC in my area) and the few people I know who have tried at least a few others (one person I know claims to have sampled nearly 100 different RCs...interesting cat to say the least); the majority give 2C-I a thumbs up. The most serious side effects from 2C-I from anyone I've known have never been close to life-threatening, just uncomfortable. In fact, the majority of those I know who have tried it almost invariably describe it as a 'clean' psychedelic, and a few even like it better than LSD. It just goes to show that we don't have enough data or studies to claim anything with any authority. Perhaps past drug use history of an individual plays a role as well. It looks to me more and more that RCs are quite unpredictable

Originally posted by Splatt

My psychosis kicked in after 2C-I.
Very weird 6-12 months for me.

I can still feel and notice some of the effects now.
But they are 100% manageable for me.

Wow, that is fucked up, I have heard of those who have a predisposition to mental illness and have had it triggered by a single dose of a psychedelic drug (this would be the first case of this happening with an RC that I've heard of). I've heard about it with the traditional ones like LSD, but those are usually associated with schizophrenia, and are usually permanent (and very rare).

Do you have past experience with psychedelics? A history of mental illness in yourself or family? How severe was your psychosis? Did you seek any kind of treatment? What was the dosage level? Did you mix any other drugs with it? I'm glad you are still able to function but I'm still really sorry to hear this.

There is something called Depersonalization Disorder (I'm just throwing this out there as I can't possibly know what you are going through)...I can't find the link right now, but a Doctor who has suffered from this for most of his adult life (and before it was even recognized as a disorder) has written a book about it, and has developed treatment strategies and the like. Curiously enough, this Doctor claims he can trace the onset of his disorder to a single joint (that's right, just pot.) The disorder is usually triggered by a traumatic experience (it's your mind's way of coping with huge amounts of stress.) Google this disorder and you'll find tons of info.

I suppose it is not unreasonable to propose that a very intense trip (again, some people have reported extremely intense/dissociative states with just pot) could cause the same type of stress on your psyche to trigger this. But I'm just surmising at this point, since I've never heard of anything like this before and I don't know the circumstances around your experience.
 
spookmaster said:
From what Ive read 2ci does seem to have a habit of forming HPPD/or symptoms of HPPD though. Which is quite interesting.

With 2ci's small doses to be able to cause HPPD symptoms so early with out chronic use would be well worth researching into.

Indeed. That is a disturbing trend if true.
 
"Many of us" doesn't offer definitive proof,

I didn't say it did.

only anecdotal evidence than could lay the grounds for a hypothesis.

I offered such evidence. Thats all.

The pool of RC users is extremely small compared with any other drug, psychedelic or otherwise. The reactions different people get from some of these seem to vary so widely that without real scientific study and testing for toxicity, etc. to claim anything about the short or long term effects is really just guess work.

Sure. But are you going to take that risk with an unresearched drug? This a is harm reduction forum.
 
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Originally posted by gloggawogga
Sure. But are you going to take that risk with an unresearched drug? This a is harm reduction forum. Better safe than sorry.

Nearly all RCs have no official research. Any of us who choose to experiment with them are taking that same risk. Your circles indicate more negative side effects of 2C-I than mine. Being a moderator at this site your pool is probably larger than mine and quite possibly more experienced (I'm just guessing of course, I don't post often nor do I know your background). Like I said, I'm not trying to defend 2C-I and claim it is indeed less toxic/harmful than any other chemical, I'm just comparing my anecdotal evidence with others.

You may be happy to note that this thread has served as a harm reduction lesson for me, as I've previously had little reservations on taking large doses of 2C-I since it has never caused any problems for me at all. In fact, I think it's fair to say that I've had less side effects from 2ci than from any other drug I've tried. Peaceful, focused trip; euphoria, pleasant body stimulation and an easy comedown. No tremors, high heart rate, nothing of the sort, and no after effects or hang over.

I will be much more careful in the future regarding 2C-I as I haven't heard about this many negative side effects until now (keep in mind that I'm never totally careless; I always use a good scale, start with threshold doses, etc).
 
I never once had a flashback until I took 2c-i. I have taken tons of shrooms and acid and neither of these substances gave me flashbacks. 2c-i gave me some crazy flashbacks that didnt stop until over a month of my last use. One time I had a full blown hallucination of a spider on my wall that jumped down at me and another time I saw some crazy rodents running around my room. Although I had some crazy flashbacks, I feel fine now and I dont feel like 2c-i is any more physically harmful than LSD or shrooms, but it is very possible.
 
At first I felt 2c-i to be diet -LSD. And then I realised that it had a shredding, ripping quality. It's rough. It's tweaky. I had strange electrical currents jolting through my system for months, and I developed an odd twitch. All gone now. All definitive, objective prognosis on the physical effects of 2c-i are mere speculation.

I prefer to bank with Alice Dee and Psilocybin these days.
 
i took 2ci only twice and it has been about a mounth and a half and i still have defenent flash back expecially with smoking. i have like no night vision now and i have no perseption(if i look at something far away and put my hand in front of it i see almost 2 hands and then if i consintrate on myt hand then distance is blurry) i get head aches and i feel like little light are all in stuff. heart pains and high blood pressure. and feel like there is electric jolts all threw me. anyone experienced similar things? any sucsess storys about it getting better?? love to hear them
 
I am only posting this because there is now interest in it. I don't want any abuse I was going through a weird time and yes, What I did was totally fucking stupid.

Anyway, I have used a fair bit of psychedelics in my past. 2C-I was my first research chemical I tried, I later tried more... I had tried 2C-B (Now my psychosis triggerer whenever I try it again) a few times before and loved it so wanted something a-like. So here comes 200mg of 2C-I in my mailbox one day...

I tried a tiny dose, (2-4mg) and really liked the effects. Flow, mood lift, stimulative, I can still funtion, nice flowly visuals that don't push or interfere. I knew I was dose-sensitive to this chemical (and later found out to 2C-E as well).

The next day I couldn't wait, I tried a 10-12mg dose and loved it.... I had awesome trips and the comedown was actually fun. I had fun eating on the comedown. Anyway I ended up getting a bit "addicted" to it. Well, just didn't want to be bored at night. So I pretty much dosed up on 2C-I every night after my parents went to sleep, and walked around the neighbourhood hallucinatinbg and having awesome recreational and some deep meaningful trips. Weed was also smoked. My scales weren't available one night so I decided to eat a large dose, thinking tolerance would save me (funnily, tolerance for me to 2C-I kicked in after one week and a half of continual use), Anyway I had a panic attack and woke up on the floor with sore body parts knowing I had a seizure. (I never have seizures.. except off nitrous hehe).

So I abused the drug in small and high doses for nearly 3 weeks, I even started using it as a work tool, I loved tripping at work! I got along with everyone and brown-nosed rich cuntstomers I hated.

Anyway, after I ran out of 2C-I, my visuals never stopped.
I won't go into detail but It was basically 6 months afterwards of 2C-x style hallucinations. I was having alot of MDMA at the time also though. Eveyerthing turning, moving, warping, colours shifting. Walking into a shop was like wlaking into a jungle of another country I was that fucked up. Constant flowing connections between anything at once, Flooding of thoughts, senses etc... Memory had no meaning because I couldnt't store thoughts/memories properly. I remember shouting to myself "ATMOSPHERE CHANGE" about 100 times one day, just to program myself not to spin out when I wealk into shops or malls. Audio hallucinations were constant, and what people call "voices" were also there. They helped me get through the long period, maybe 9 months all up, and helped me remmeber and learn from the experience. The book PIHKAL made me have many breakthroughs. Especially where Shulgins wife has a mini-psychosis episode for a week. I programmed myself to get out of it slowly.

Sure, visuals and stuff and crazy constant streaming unconsious thoughts can be fun, but only when you know ITS GOING TO END. I had no idea so eacvh day my anxiety and paranoia grew.

I saw doctors but didn't tell them about drugs except the last one. The diagnoses ranged from schizophrenia to bi-polar. Then I told them about drugs and it was totally different, they offered programs to stop. I refused.

I haven't mentioned 0.0001% of my experiences and never will be able to make ANY sense of 99% of them. But I do know abusing psychedelics is a stupid thing to do, and I had a one year "come-down" with still lingerting effects, for a three week trip.

Anyone with psychosis, don't be scared about vboices, and don't tell your dopctor.. It is your thoughts being focused on and a part of the brain recognizi9ng it as an outside sense. Daily unconscious streams will come a lot. Don't interpret them too much, but write down all the interesting shit. You wiull get through it, all you need is hope. Hope = Unconscious Programming with effects your Conscio9us life.

Anyway, enough rambling....
Sometimes the doorways you open aren't 100% positive , but they're always interesting.
 
me and a few friends (5 friends) used 2C's (I,E,C,D,T2,T21) over several month (sometime 3 times/2weeks). We use these rarely now because these are hard on the body (nerves and cardiovascular troubles) and the mind (chronic use can make you really unstable).
From personnal experience, we noticed:

1- strong effect on the cardiovascular system (if you have any such pre-existing troubles, don't use 2C's), rise of blood pressure...

2- troubles with the lungs (irritation feeling in the lungs especially when snorted, but also when ingested), and sometime some pressure feeling in the lungs when breathing (maybe a little depression, I'm not sure)

3- tensions in the arm muscles, jaw clenching, crispation (it can be very unplaisant sometimes because your senses are decupled)

4- nerves sensitivation, I don't mean you just have a greater touching feeling, I mean it often made me feel like "wow this isn't good to my nerves", feeling like nerves extremities would be over-electrified, leading to a crispating in the body. Sometime you have short pains in a localised area, such as a spiking feeling in one hand or the stomach or anywhere in the body , lasting 4-3 seconds)

5- stomach cramps (painful) with oral use (because of acidity I guess)

6- snorting it, strong burning feeling and nasal irritation (once, a friend had a little blood in the nose the day efter snorting it)

7- nausea, and rarely some diarrhea (especially with T2)

8- with insuflated T2 15 mg : shortly after snorting the stuff (about 5 minutes) I had nausea, went to the toilets and I had vomiting spasm, but instead of womiting, the vomit reflexe ends up in a violent nervous coughing. This happened several times over 5-10 minutes and then disapeared. This was really an awful sensation: my all throat and nerves being extra sensitived by the drug, each cough-vomiting spasm did produce a violent pain in the intestine, throat and stomach muscles, I would describe it as if for one short second, all your nerves feels like they are suddenly ripped of. I first though this was a kind of allergic reaction, but this only happenned twice and now I think the main reason is that 2C's are really hard on the nerves (and possibly muscles) especially when snorted (but even when ingested, you usually feel like you're kind of nervously sensitived in a tensing way. 2C's definitely gives a feeling of strong irritation to your nerves.

9- strong hangover during the entire next week (like your body is tired and your mind is unstable) especially if repeated use.
And regular use is particularly destabilizing for a weak mind (I mean if you're not mentally stable, chronic use may lead you to psychosis). For instance, if you're unstable, doing 2C's 4-5 times in a month can make you fell mentally weak and unstable for a few more 2-3 weeks after stopping use; and even if you're a stable person, you feel something lasting.

10- some delirium with strong inslufflated doses.

11- bad trips can occur with high doses (they are more physical than mushroom bad trips, I mean more nervous and agressive, and physically painful because of the nerve troubles). I also felt the 2C's vibration could be "agressive" even without a bad trip: once I listened very agressive (& glauke) tekno on T2 and this made me feel evil, I was feeling "mean" until I stopped it (on mushroom this would just had made me scared but not mean), this make me think about the 2ct7 bad trip (and OD) reports I've read, several reports describing very violent behaviour.

12- increased body temperature : can be important, you must drink, especially if you're in a well heated area such as indoor parties)

13- headache (bad one sometimes were reported with 2C-I)


2C's seems really toxic to me (especially physically but also mentally), occasional use can be fun, but repeated use is definitely something to avoid (If we consider a period of 6 month, two times a month is not good, three times a month is too much !). I had fun with 2C's but now, I think there are much safer/fun drugs.
 
/\ wow, some heavy stuff there... I agree that there's a fairly artificial feeling to many 2c's . . . they feel about as healthy as ampehtamien sulphate and can leave one overstimulated and drained. For me, this has been particularly true for 2c-i +2c-t2. Much less with 2c-c, though, and hardly at all with 2c-b and 2c-d (both of which I find pretty okay physically). That's of those I have tried so far. . .
 
2c-i left me with a week long hangover feeling not to mention i felt a little slower.. definetly the most "toxic" feeling RC to me from the ones i've tried
 
Not to take away from anyone's experience or the significance of the physical effects and inherent dangers in them, but if you are experiencing psychosis or other mental instabilities on these drugs then psychosomatic factors could be responsible for causing or aggravating alot of your physical symptoms. Persons who suffer chronicly from psychosis or other mental disorders tend to have a plethora of physical health problems. And while all psychedelics drugs heighten psychosomatic channels to some extent, producing a 'body high' in response to positive mental energy, and a 'body load' in response to negative mental energy, the 2c-xx seem to do this even more so in my experience. Of course, whether negative physical effects are psychosomatically or pharmocologically induced, or a mixture of the two, it doesn't make them any less dangerous. But still I think there is alot more going on with these drugs than simply a drug/body interraction here, i.e. a mind/body/drug interaction.
 
True for ther physical side. I've felt panicky on 2C-i and weed but I always got out of it quickly. The nerve feeling I get is no worse than some intensified pins and needles, I get that every day. I NEVER ever once got a headache peak or headache, I snorted it and ate it. Never EVER got nausea, and I get nausea HEAPS, even when I am totally sober!

I found it pretty clean on the body in low doses, a bit over-stimulative in some higher doses. I was sleeping 2-4 hours a night and could function the next day without feeling shit. But mentally, I reckon this was the big one that caused me a lot of shit.. Especially the flooding and unlimited connections and links my mind would find in evewryday life.
 
After a near overdose (or what felt like it) , I was a wreck physically for a day or so, and mentally for a little over a month. In small doses I haven't had any problems. When I say I was wrecked mentally I mean wrecked. While I was tripping I thought I might die at certain points because my heart was beating quicker than it ever has, I was sweating profusely, couldn't see straight, everything in my visual field turned slow motion quite a few times, I was uncoordinated in any moving, very hot, vomiting, etc. To give a feel for the intensity of the trip when I looked at my Bob Marley poster his dreads extended outward toward the center of the room, turned into what looked like giant snakes, and waved all around, every time I turned my head I heard the wind pass by my ears super loud (kind of in slowmo), etc. The following month I was very extremely depressed (unlike me), had random crying spells (very unlike me), had weird reactions to some drugs I normally don't, kind of distanced myself from most people, wasn't nearly as outgoing, and didn't eat as much.
 
Interesting...I have done 2c-i about 4 times so far at 25mg+ dosage and have been fine, except for a slight hangover the next day. I would guess these kind of side effects only happen with excessive dosage and smoking weed often, I have not been able to smoke weed since my expirements with becuase of a drug test possibility but do beleive that could bring back slight visuals.
 
something just doesn't feel right on 2c-i...its a very neat RC, but it just feels toxic.....but I am in no way an expert, just giving my opinion. Doesn't mean I'd pass it up though ;)
 
Yeah I definitely agree on that...

For me, 2CI is just weird... I don't know what to call it... but yeah, it just doesn't feel right... 2CI seems to take you on these twists and turns when you least expect it... grabs you suddenly and shakes you all about...

When I take acid, or if I candyflip I just feel it is a lot more cruisy and controllable... I feel comfortable on acid... and I feel relaxed and happy...

When I am on 2CI I end up feeling nauseus, which I know can be a common side-effect... I also wind up with a real intense headache... I mean a MASSIVE headache... I end up just curling up into a ball holding my head in my hands, squinting my eyes and grimacing because of the pain... this all makes for an unpleasant trip...

2CI just seems real 'serious'... at least when I am tripping on shrooms or acid I go with it.... everything is just light and funny and intriguing... with 2CI I feel like I'm focussing seriously on something for the entire trip... hence I get a headache... it's like there's just this sense of uncertainty with 'the eye'...

I feel a total wreck afterwards too, the comedown is awful... I have to cope with that feeling of waking up the next day after a migraine as well as just feeling very flat and drained... 2CI is VERY draining... Whereas, a day/night after acid I feel lazy but not all that worn out...

I've had 2CI twice - first time I had 16mg and second time I tried 12mg... I didn't real feel any difference between the two doses... and both times I didn't really enjoy at all... so I've decided that it's not for me...

Some people here have mentioned 2CI feeling 'toxic' and I really agree... it's like that dirty feeling you get on cid only 100 times worse... I really don't feel anything all that pleasant at all...

I guess also since it's still an 'unknown' substance that hasn't had a great deal of research done with it, I'd rather steer clear than be a guinea pig...

Give me mdma, acid or shrooms anyday... I've had some intense yet pleasurable and absolutely beautiful experiences on them with no nasty (immediate) side-effects and hardly any comedown... I don't know if there are going to be any long-term effects from me taking these substances, but at least while I'm on them they were enjoyable... 2CI... hmmm... it's just plain weird... but that's my ideas on it...
 
In another thread there is a report of someone taking 2C-I and feeling hung over for weeks afterward. Later he found that tyrosine helped with his 2C-hangover, so it might have been related to dopamine depletion:


link to thread
 
i HATED 2ci. obviously my personality i shouldnt be tripping on any chemical but i still tried it. some people can take it though and notice nothing. i felt like it was really bad for me. i took 2ci and quit cigarettes in the same year. ive had bad anxiety ever since. don't know which triggered it. probably both :(
 
2C-I side effects

I use 2C-I for a month or more (5 times in this time). I have no side effects, even headakes - lot people mentioned). My friends who used it - also.
I think problem about side effects of 2C-I lays somewhere else. The same like with LSD or shrooms (witch I use for 15-16 years). And I feel happy about my life and health.
Mayby 5 times of 2C-I is not enough to judge for sure. But this is my vote about 2C-I probs. If something causes bad things to You - don't use this. Thats all.

After I'll use 2C-I 30-40 times I will write again. But I'm nearly sure it will not do any harm to me. It depends on individual - as I can learn about THIS and other mind alerting drugs.
 
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