Specified
Ex-Bluelighter
What about hormone replacement therapy
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28 year old male. libido pretty much gone since I was around 23
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atara
Bluelighter
What hormone do you think you're replacing? Testosterone? There are plenty of people in SIED who can explain the downfall of that idea better than I can.
If you mean drugs, sure, amphetamine or heroin will make you lose weight. Surprisingly, cannabis use is also associated with a reduction in the prevalence of obesity, although the effect is much smaller. But drugs have a similarly deleterious effect on the libido as on the appetite -- both effects occur because of desensitizing the reward pathway.
Really there are only two interventions which I know have a permanent effect on the pathogenesis of obesity:
- strength training: really this is only permanent up to a point, but many people in our extremely sedentary society are unnaturally weak. The human body, male or female, isn't meant to be so lazy as Western modernity allows. Muscle breaks down over time but usually not below a certain baseline, yet many people are below that baseline because they've never worked out. Muscle mass is positively correlated with basal metabolic rate and insulin sensitivity; the latter is probably due to the fact that sugar is stored in muscle as glycogen. Improving resting muscle tone also reduces chronic pain and possibly anxiety which can prevent "stress eating".
- learning to cook: this is a skill which resides in the cerebellum and won't be forgotten. You can always choose to eat unhealthy food, but when you've given yourself access so many more healthy foods, this skill will continue to improve your eating habits at least until you get dementia in old age.
But in your case, Specified, you need to get over your neurosis of whether your fantasies are "gay". There's no list of rules, but the insecurity you show is more emasculating and unattractive than any of the sex acts you complain about. I assume it can't be easy to have sexual fantasies when you have to stop every twenty seconds and question how embarrassing it is.
If you mean drugs, sure, amphetamine or heroin will make you lose weight. Surprisingly, cannabis use is also associated with a reduction in the prevalence of obesity, although the effect is much smaller. But drugs have a similarly deleterious effect on the libido as on the appetite -- both effects occur because of desensitizing the reward pathway.
Really there are only two interventions which I know have a permanent effect on the pathogenesis of obesity:
- strength training: really this is only permanent up to a point, but many people in our extremely sedentary society are unnaturally weak. The human body, male or female, isn't meant to be so lazy as Western modernity allows. Muscle breaks down over time but usually not below a certain baseline, yet many people are below that baseline because they've never worked out. Muscle mass is positively correlated with basal metabolic rate and insulin sensitivity; the latter is probably due to the fact that sugar is stored in muscle as glycogen. Improving resting muscle tone also reduces chronic pain and possibly anxiety which can prevent "stress eating".
- learning to cook: this is a skill which resides in the cerebellum and won't be forgotten. You can always choose to eat unhealthy food, but when you've given yourself access so many more healthy foods, this skill will continue to improve your eating habits at least until you get dementia in old age.
But in your case, Specified, you need to get over your neurosis of whether your fantasies are "gay". There's no list of rules, but the insecurity you show is more emasculating and unattractive than any of the sex acts you complain about. I assume it can't be easy to have sexual fantasies when you have to stop every twenty seconds and question how embarrassing it is.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
I didn't read the majority of this post, just responding based on the title and shit bro.... it's normal
ages 15-25 I was constantly jacking off looking for a rape victim *fear and loathing joke... not serious - I do not condone rape or sexual harassment whatsovever!*
I'm 31 now, and shit has calmed down. It's completely normal. You start to deal with things called LIFE which are more important than having sex.
At 31 I can still smoke meth and go on epic 16 hour marathon masturbation sessions -with pleasure I might add...
But at age 20 I could probably do the same without meth....
It's called hormones and getting older.
It's nothing to be ashamed about my brother.
It happens to everyone.
Life and getting old, we all deal with it.
- my 2 cents
ages 15-25 I was constantly jacking off looking for a rape victim *fear and loathing joke... not serious - I do not condone rape or sexual harassment whatsovever!*
I'm 31 now, and shit has calmed down. It's completely normal. You start to deal with things called LIFE which are more important than having sex.
At 31 I can still smoke meth and go on epic 16 hour marathon masturbation sessions -with pleasure I might add...
But at age 20 I could probably do the same without meth....
It's called hormones and getting older.
It's nothing to be ashamed about my brother.
It happens to everyone.
Life and getting old, we all deal with it.
- my 2 cents
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Specified
Ex-Bluelighter
How do i increase libido?
L dopa sort of worked this morning i sort of had a hard on and i felt like jackin off to coastwocoasts picture but no wasnt horny enough. Horny goat weed did shit all
L dopa sort of worked this morning i sort of had a hard on and i felt like jackin off to coastwocoasts picture but no wasnt horny enough. Horny goat weed did shit all
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Have you asked psychiatrists or doctors this question?
I'm honestly at a loss for ideas at this one. I have such an active sex drive that I would be devastated if I needed to increase it... I really would.
I apologize for not having more advice, and hope your libido is where you want it to be soon.
I'm honestly at a loss for ideas at this one. I have such an active sex drive that I would be devastated if I needed to increase it... I really would.
I apologize for not having more advice, and hope your libido is where you want it to be soon.
Specified
Ex-Bluelighter
I will ask the doctor and maybe psychiatrist. They will probably run some tests
ZosoUK
Bluelighter
i can jump in on this, im about to turn 45, ive been on every anti-depressant available over the past 10yrs - you name it - ive tried it, EVERY single one has either affected by actual drive tho mostly i still had that but getting hard has been a big problem on some of them, the original prozac probably affected me the least - ive just gone back onto Citalopram and its killed my dick , takes forever to get wood !
i never had a problem before , just a few yrs ago i could fuck like a pornstar - however i will say there is a HUGE difference between jerking off to the same boring ol shitty porn and having a real girl on all fours in front of you ! ive had few problems with girlfriends - even when loaded on mdma or a whoe bottle of vodka - infact both of those used to make for mega sessions ! up until 40 i could fuck at the drop of a hat - no matter what i was on !
i even did a 3some totally straight ! (got some amazing pics off that if im allowed to post them ???)
but right now its almost a waste of time loading up pornhub or something - all the fetishes & things that used to work wonders just bore me now !
the drug use is gonna have a dramatic affect too - again all the things that used to make me mega horny & hard now have the opposite effect, some of them make me wanna start to get freaky but my dick has other ideas :
meth - supposedly the sex wonder drug didnt work for me at all - and
coke - a few lines tell me "yeah lets get it on " but my dick says "no i dont think so "
any knd of speed/ritalin/vyvanse etc is totally not gonna work
GBL?GHB = first few times made me horny as a 15 yr old & worked wonders but the last time i tried it didnt have the same affect at all
i enjoy various kind of opiates - just for the chill factor, oxys/ soma / tapentadol/ tramadol - all make me wanna get the porn on but again its limp dick city - if i took any of those with my last GF it was game over - she could be dressed up to the nines like a porn star but nothing on my end !
i will say i just had a bag of KET and that did a reasonable job
but its as simple as this, almost any drug is gonna work against you, viagra will help out - ive taken 10 before though but then you still probably wont cum
anti-depressants are gonna seriously hit your libido and just the depression itself will put you in a "whats the point" mode
i just had my testosterone tested a week ago & its "normal" - however the GP normal range is ridiculous - you can be very low & that will still be classed as normal !
now the best solution to this i can suggest is to get yourself some "test Prop" - I.M inject 1.0ml that in ya thigh 3x a wk and you will notice a huge difference - i can go from how your feeling to jerking off 3x in 2hrs - however cumming is not as intense and sometimes kinda numb so its not magic but i would seriously try it - i got it for bodybuilding not for my dick ! test is what its all about really
good luck and if anyone else has any other suggestions that work id love to hear them cos this is a huge issue for me right now too !
i never had a problem before , just a few yrs ago i could fuck like a pornstar - however i will say there is a HUGE difference between jerking off to the same boring ol shitty porn and having a real girl on all fours in front of you ! ive had few problems with girlfriends - even when loaded on mdma or a whoe bottle of vodka - infact both of those used to make for mega sessions ! up until 40 i could fuck at the drop of a hat - no matter what i was on !
i even did a 3some totally straight ! (got some amazing pics off that if im allowed to post them ???)
but right now its almost a waste of time loading up pornhub or something - all the fetishes & things that used to work wonders just bore me now !
the drug use is gonna have a dramatic affect too - again all the things that used to make me mega horny & hard now have the opposite effect, some of them make me wanna start to get freaky but my dick has other ideas :
meth - supposedly the sex wonder drug didnt work for me at all - and
coke - a few lines tell me "yeah lets get it on " but my dick says "no i dont think so "
any knd of speed/ritalin/vyvanse etc is totally not gonna work
GBL?GHB = first few times made me horny as a 15 yr old & worked wonders but the last time i tried it didnt have the same affect at all
i enjoy various kind of opiates - just for the chill factor, oxys/ soma / tapentadol/ tramadol - all make me wanna get the porn on but again its limp dick city - if i took any of those with my last GF it was game over - she could be dressed up to the nines like a porn star but nothing on my end !
i will say i just had a bag of KET and that did a reasonable job
but its as simple as this, almost any drug is gonna work against you, viagra will help out - ive taken 10 before though but then you still probably wont cum
anti-depressants are gonna seriously hit your libido and just the depression itself will put you in a "whats the point" mode
i just had my testosterone tested a week ago & its "normal" - however the GP normal range is ridiculous - you can be very low & that will still be classed as normal !
now the best solution to this i can suggest is to get yourself some "test Prop" - I.M inject 1.0ml that in ya thigh 3x a wk and you will notice a huge difference - i can go from how your feeling to jerking off 3x in 2hrs - however cumming is not as intense and sometimes kinda numb so its not magic but i would seriously try it - i got it for bodybuilding not for my dick ! test is what its all about really
good luck and if anyone else has any other suggestions that work id love to hear them cos this is a huge issue for me right now too !
Japhy Ryder
Bluelighter
I've read through the whole thread. It hasn't been that focused on where the problems are. You started out saying you had no libido and your junk wasn't working. But throughout the thread you've referenced jerking off regularly, getting stimulated by porn, spontaneous sleep emission if you don't keep up with your body's needs, so none of that is an issue. You have a libido, you can get and sustain erections and you can ejaculate.
I don't think there will be a quick cure for this. It does seem like something to take up with a professional, like a therapsit or shrink. What I keep reading isn't sexual dysfunction, it is inhibition. Your libido isn't fastening its attention on people, you numb out when you are with someone where sex could happen and it is so distressing that your mind darts all over the place: maybe I'm bi curious, or maybe I'm gay, or maybe they aren't attractive enough, or maybe it was the meds I was on, maybe my dick doesn't work, maybe I think about porn too much, or I don't like the girls enough, or I am doing too many drugs or I am doing the wrong drugs or not enough drugs. You've reached a point where the issue of sex/attraction/relationships is really stressful, distresssing and agitating. That kind of deep stress and anxiety would definitely be sexually debilitating. And all this pent up frustration, baggage and head overflowing are with you whenever you try. That sounds like a need for some therapy to try and unpack all that stuff and see what's troubling inside you.
Just some incidental notes. almost all antidepressants and serotonin drugs have disasterous impacts on getting erection, on maintaining them, or ability to orgasm, on any pleasure from the orgasm, and on libido--those drugs are destructive to every aspect of sex. Sometimes the issues become permanent even if the drug is discontinued.
Wellbutrin doesn't harm any of those sexual factors. If anything, it increases libido and energy. it has its own drawbacks, but sex isn't one of them.
On the topic of porn, there has never been any credible evidence that pornography is harmful in any way. You will find a small sample of the population who get very hung up on it, same as you have a portion who become alcoholic, gambling addict etc--they all have mechanisms inside that they brought to the porn, it wasn't something intrinsic to the porn that depraved them. I wrote some papers on porn a long time ago and most of the "research" I found was specious and agenda driven. The people studied were people with problems, so the results would be that porn is problematic. Almost everyone, both men and women watch pornography. good porn, bad porn, fetish porn, porn that doesn't sit easy with our gender politics, repetitive dumb porn, lots of porn. They don't become dysfunctional, they don't lose the ability to have relationships or intimacy, they don't develop addictions, they don't become passive, or learn to objectify, nor do they get particularly confused about the performative marathon sex of porn and the not so gymnastic or stamina'd real world of sex. People who avoid relationships and lean on porn don't have a porn problem, they have an intimacy problem. OUr culture has a very puritanical stance on sex and pornography, and specifically men's sexuality. None of these studies--none--ever looked at women. Our mythology of sex where women are concerned is that indulging in porn or toys or anything else is a feminist victory of embracing sexuality and the whole self, while the mythology for men is we are depraved, it addicts us, makes us both passive and rapists and makes us misogynistic. All of that is ideological--dogma, not reality, not demonstrable in observing, studying, or researching people. I think it is high time we spoke up more when our culture tries to sexually shame us, or paint us all as agressors, potential rapists, or hopeless. Even with masturbation, our cultural narrative for men is it either something really funny--even erections are funny, or it is terribly embarassing; women masturbating, is again seen as a voyage of self discovery, and owning their own libidos and they go to seminars at the local sex shop. We are given constant negative messages about our sexual selves.
Sorry to fly way off topic there and soar away on a polemic. I think if you find someone you trust and build a rapport with to talk through all the things going on inside you, you will be able to get more active with partners and find a girl- or boyfriend. These kinds of walls can be broken down, sometimes just by emptying a lot of stuff out of us. You sound like you've been carrying a lot around inside you and suffering.
I don't think there will be a quick cure for this. It does seem like something to take up with a professional, like a therapsit or shrink. What I keep reading isn't sexual dysfunction, it is inhibition. Your libido isn't fastening its attention on people, you numb out when you are with someone where sex could happen and it is so distressing that your mind darts all over the place: maybe I'm bi curious, or maybe I'm gay, or maybe they aren't attractive enough, or maybe it was the meds I was on, maybe my dick doesn't work, maybe I think about porn too much, or I don't like the girls enough, or I am doing too many drugs or I am doing the wrong drugs or not enough drugs. You've reached a point where the issue of sex/attraction/relationships is really stressful, distresssing and agitating. That kind of deep stress and anxiety would definitely be sexually debilitating. And all this pent up frustration, baggage and head overflowing are with you whenever you try. That sounds like a need for some therapy to try and unpack all that stuff and see what's troubling inside you.
Just some incidental notes. almost all antidepressants and serotonin drugs have disasterous impacts on getting erection, on maintaining them, or ability to orgasm, on any pleasure from the orgasm, and on libido--those drugs are destructive to every aspect of sex. Sometimes the issues become permanent even if the drug is discontinued.
Wellbutrin doesn't harm any of those sexual factors. If anything, it increases libido and energy. it has its own drawbacks, but sex isn't one of them.
On the topic of porn, there has never been any credible evidence that pornography is harmful in any way. You will find a small sample of the population who get very hung up on it, same as you have a portion who become alcoholic, gambling addict etc--they all have mechanisms inside that they brought to the porn, it wasn't something intrinsic to the porn that depraved them. I wrote some papers on porn a long time ago and most of the "research" I found was specious and agenda driven. The people studied were people with problems, so the results would be that porn is problematic. Almost everyone, both men and women watch pornography. good porn, bad porn, fetish porn, porn that doesn't sit easy with our gender politics, repetitive dumb porn, lots of porn. They don't become dysfunctional, they don't lose the ability to have relationships or intimacy, they don't develop addictions, they don't become passive, or learn to objectify, nor do they get particularly confused about the performative marathon sex of porn and the not so gymnastic or stamina'd real world of sex. People who avoid relationships and lean on porn don't have a porn problem, they have an intimacy problem. OUr culture has a very puritanical stance on sex and pornography, and specifically men's sexuality. None of these studies--none--ever looked at women. Our mythology of sex where women are concerned is that indulging in porn or toys or anything else is a feminist victory of embracing sexuality and the whole self, while the mythology for men is we are depraved, it addicts us, makes us both passive and rapists and makes us misogynistic. All of that is ideological--dogma, not reality, not demonstrable in observing, studying, or researching people. I think it is high time we spoke up more when our culture tries to sexually shame us, or paint us all as agressors, potential rapists, or hopeless. Even with masturbation, our cultural narrative for men is it either something really funny--even erections are funny, or it is terribly embarassing; women masturbating, is again seen as a voyage of self discovery, and owning their own libidos and they go to seminars at the local sex shop. We are given constant negative messages about our sexual selves.
Sorry to fly way off topic there and soar away on a polemic. I think if you find someone you trust and build a rapport with to talk through all the things going on inside you, you will be able to get more active with partners and find a girl- or boyfriend. These kinds of walls can be broken down, sometimes just by emptying a lot of stuff out of us. You sound like you've been carrying a lot around inside you and suffering.
ZosoUK
Bluelighter
im bumping this as im in the same boat - no one else anyting to add???
OP have you tried any of the suggestions ? or anything else for that matter ???
OP have you tried any of the suggestions ? or anything else for that matter ???
Japhy Ryder
Bluelighter
I'm still new here, and wobbly on what the rules mean, but I have a couple of questions, which I hope do not break rules. Just about your personal experience with test.
What you refer to as "test" or "test prop", is that testosterone, something synthetic, or (if it is not prescribed) contents not confirmed?
I guess that has my second question in it, is it prescribed or something under the table?
What are the benefits you have observed?
What are side/undesired effects?
It's something I have been curious about. I had a housemate on a methadone program. Higher methadone correlates with lower testosterone so, his doctor was giving him a test supplement. I think, but am not sure, it was an IM injection once a month or once every two weeks.
I just looked at a study on opioid use(including methadone) impacts on androgens, and for the group on opiates their mean testosterone level was one quarter of the mean amount of testosterone in the control group
oops. The mean for the opioid using group was 100.10 ng/dL (min/max: 10.53 ng/dL ; 347.55) and for the control group was 414.74(min/max: 109.51 ng/dL 798.27 ). Now, Interestingly the normative range in males was listed as 300-1000 ng/dL, but the control group's entire range was aprox. 100-800.I wonder how many of us out there are suffering from low testosterone and doctors don't want to give steroids. I had my doc check mine out and it was right at the bottom of normal. Sure, it was technically acceptable, but ideal? We had been investigating why I was having a lot of fatigue, weakness, I had gained fat weight while losing muscle mass and no matter what I did I could not shed a pound. My libido was flagging and I had dysthymia despite being medded up the wazoo for depression on the one antidepressant that is activating, wellbutrin--who gets sleepy, fat and depressed on that stuff? I literally had every symptom of low testosterone and a low end recorded level and she wouldn't prescribe any. She said I had to face that I was aging (I was 42 at the time) and that I had lived a hard life on my body with substances, alcohol, poor nutrition, night shifts, PTSD related adrenal fatigue, etc. I felt like I was being punished-denied treatment because of my background.
It was very disappointing. My housemate said the stuff immediately took ten years off his age, he had good energy again, and he got leaner again. And it's true, he was built like a boxer and looked younger than his age, with more youthful skin too. He didn't seem aware of any side effects. He was impulsive, a bit compulsive, easily bored, and restless; but that may have been his baseline personality.
Didn't seem fair to have that potential for youthful vigour dangled in front of me then held out of reach. Eventually, a test for my thyroid came back, right at the low end of normal and for that she was willing to prescribe some synthroid. Low thyroid also makes you tired fat and cranky. But nothing changed, still can't lose a pound I am often really tired and can nap frequently(clean, not using. but I can sleep on amphetamines). I've been on an every day, morning to night amphetamine binge for nearly sixty days and I am the exact same weight, lethargic, listless and unmotivated, and unless i take sizable quantities of stimulants, usually having to stack caffeine with amph/meth, without that, my libido is nil, hard to get in the mood and usually can't bring it home.
I'm not sure why I inquire--I have no access to a prescription, and can't afford the free-wheeling market. Just more info to tuck away.
Shut your hole Japh, you are babbling. Precis has never been my forte.
ZosoUK
Bluelighter
hi mate
yeah im referring to testosterone in liquid form, what you;d call " steroids " - well its 1 of them!
its very very hard (here anyway) to get it prescribed so yeah its what you buy from the big guy at the gym - or the dark web !
its actually not expensive - £50 GBP a month max really
the benefits: well i bought it for bodybuilding reasons = this is why i changed my avatar, cause i worked out very hard for 20 yrs & could never get a 6pack - it doesnt happen overnight !
do the right cycles in the right amounts & you can almost get the body youve always wanted
you suddenly wanna jerk off like a teenager again - it certainly brings back a dead libido
my mate said it is like the best anti-depressant ever for him , it didnt actually have that effect on me or make me feel 10yrs younger but it certainly got me the body id tried naturally & failed to get for 20 yrs
downsides :
not much at all really & certainly nothing that would outweigh the benefits -
it can make some people spotty - never gave me 1 spot tho !
it can increase hairloss if your prone to it which is the 1 thing that concerns me tho again my mate has a very full thick head of hair so ???
anger/short temper - it can make you a bit snappy /unpatient but it never made me wanna punch anyone or suddenly smash up my apartment or anything but i DO think i was probably a bit unreasonable with last G/F at times - yet again aforementioned mate is 1 of the most laid back guys i know & he does a LOT of gear
you DO have to limit its use really - its generally 12wks on then 12 wks off and when you come off you should go through a post cycle protocol of other drugs so you dont screw up your bodys own intentions of producing test and ive found it can kinda shrink my balls a bit
i was always scared of the fairytales/myths of steroids but
if id known the reality & had access i would have done them 20yrs yrs ago
test especialy you have to remember is just something that is in the male body anyway = its test that makes a teenager grow, get spotty & facial hair etc - but it drops dramatically as you age
obviously you have to be happy to inject yaself - which i was scared about initially but its only a muscle somewhere , i tend to use my thigh, a lot of people tend to use their butt , you can use your shoulder - its not in a vein which i dont think i could do !
honestly id recommend it to ANYONE !!
HGH (human growth hormone) is supposed to be amazing - like a turbo charged version of what i describe above - sylvester stallone is a huge fan & still uses it now as a pensioner = unfortuantly its very expensive
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I'm with you brother . Its something I really need to go to my doctors about.
The last 18 months since I used testosterone n deca . Used these for over a decade. I no longer use have advanced heart failure and the meds and or methadone ha e killed my libido dead .. I never get morning wood anymore. Nor have the urge to pleasure myself . The effort isnt worth the slight relief . Not any more I struggle to get erect even watching porn now days. I dont know what's up .... low blood pressure or something? Too much stress like you I dont know why
My ex came to visit last week beautiful blonde big bust size 8 shes a stunner and I couldn't even be bothered to make a move even when shes throwing hints at me so obviously. I've no interest
I used to play the field and have had no end of sexual experiences with women I was blessed in my 20s n early 30s but now I couldn't care less , it's so depressing.
I hope you find the cause soon anyway mate . I get how frustrating and how much it knocks ya confidence.
Good luck brother
The last 18 months since I used testosterone n deca . Used these for over a decade. I no longer use have advanced heart failure and the meds and or methadone ha e killed my libido dead .. I never get morning wood anymore. Nor have the urge to pleasure myself . The effort isnt worth the slight relief . Not any more I struggle to get erect even watching porn now days. I dont know what's up .... low blood pressure or something? Too much stress like you I dont know why
My ex came to visit last week beautiful blonde big bust size 8 shes a stunner and I couldn't even be bothered to make a move even when shes throwing hints at me so obviously. I've no interest
I used to play the field and have had no end of sexual experiences with women I was blessed in my 20s n early 30s but now I couldn't care less , it's so depressing.
I hope you find the cause soon anyway mate . I get how frustrating and how much it knocks ya confidence.
Good luck brother
crazyhairman
Bluelighter
Yeah mine comes and goes I'm 34 now. I find it has some correlation with my mood. Like if I have been depressed or not. My sleep patterns my diet all that b******* comes in too direct effects.
When I'm healthy I am extremely horny. Idk there's also blood pressure blood sugar you know all sorts of things that we never paid attention to.
Personally I'm fine with it I just stay busy and experience life.
When I'm healthy I am extremely horny. Idk there's also blood pressure blood sugar you know all sorts of things that we never paid attention to.
Personally I'm fine with it I just stay busy and experience life.