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Phenethylamines [25X-NBOMe Subthread] Comparisons & General Discussion

Just a note on vasoconstriction, I will note that I have certainly experienced slight vasoconstriction from both 25i and 25c NBOMe in many experiences with both. It doesn't always happen, or rather not in a noticeable way, but if you feel it once in your life you know what to look for if it happens again. (BTW my usual dose for both is 1mg and 800ug for the 25i and 25c respectively, although I have dipped into dosages as high as 2mg and 1.2mg respectively.)
With both instances of the higher doses, there was little noticeable vasoconstriction, however with many of my lower-dosed trips there was certainly vasoconstriction which, for me, is most commonly felt in my legs. However, there's only been one instance (In which I combined 800ugof 25c-NBOMe and 1mg of 25i-NBOMe) where it has gotten to the point where it was so uncomfortable that I needed to relieve it by smoking weed (vasodilator) and by soaking my legs in a hot-tub.
This proved effective, but the sensation returned an hour later in a much lighter, and less uncomfortable fashion and then receded after about 45min. I'm not sure the exact reason for why the vasoconstriction was so exadgerated in this experiment, but I have sort of attributed it to drug synergy.
I would caution that combo though. While it was a great experience overall, the vasoconstriciton is always a scary thing when you know whats happening to you and you're really really high. It never reached the point of being "painful" per say, but it was most deffinatly uncomfortable and certainly affected the trip, which had been a bike ride that had to come short due to my discomfort in my legs and knowing that the spa at home would relieve it.
I havent tried the combo since due to this encounter with vasoconstriction, but will eventually at a lower dosage. Just thought id give that 2 cents. Its a great combo and worthwhile, but dose low, and be sure to be WELL experienced with both 25i and 25c in their own right before hand, meaning both their highs and their physical effects on your body. The combo will kick your ass relelntlessly otherwise lol, both physically and mentally.

EDIT: (BTW all doses are sublingual ROA)
 
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I really enjoyed 25I and its stimulating nature. I have no problems with vasoconstriction and I love the relative lack of body load. I originally found the comeup to be too dysphoric nasally so I started staggering my doses and it solved the problem. I don't like the way that nasal admin results in an early but short plateau, however, that's my own problem and would be solved pretty easily. I like how the shallow nature of 25I makes it a lighthearted experience which is easy to get my less "enlightened" friends to join in with.

Despite the lack of any negative experiences and the glut of positive ones, I too don't trust the NBOMes as I perhaps should. The way that they cause such persistent tolerance so quickly plays on my mind, and the almost purely hedonistic nature feels like I'm cheating somewhat. I don't think sensory saturation is good for the brain so the super-intense visual aspect unsettles me too.

I do still take them for time to time, but not with the regularity I might be happy to use any other drug with.

Also, while I am very well equipped for handling the powder, the way that they are so readily obtained by the unequipped also concerns me.
 
I tried the natural antiadrenergic Motherwort to see if it would make 25C less unpleasant. It did prevent most of the tremors and nausea but I still didn't find it enjoyable. I may actually have taken too much Motherwort tincture, 50 drops. I also took a full 500 mcg 25C. Anyway, still can't really endorse any of the PEAs as being enjoyable, even without the tremors and nausea. I still think LSD is the only psyche with any real reward to it, and only in low doses.
 
Expect said:
Am I the only one who doesn't get a touch of body load/high from 25i, but the cripplingly intense euphoria from 25C?


Every time I've done 25c, the body feelings were so intense that I could barely move from my bed, except to writhe around in orgasmic ecstasy..
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The exact same thing happens to me. On 25i I am extremely comfortable and blissful and can't stop giggling and smiling at practically nothing. The 25c however causes me to have intense body cramps where my legs and thighs will ache painfully for hours and sometimes the next day.

I am beginning to think that different nbomes affect different users in the different ways. Additionally I also believe that one trip may be very different in the last.
 
The last two times I took 25i, I had heavy and uncomfortable body load for the entirety of the trip. Not sure why
 
Hello I'm new here, but been using this site for info since 2001. Recently came across some 25i being pushed as ald 52 the taste gave it away and the dude ended up giving me alot cuz i was pissed. Well ive researched it in very high doses above 3mg omg. Never in my life have i tripped so hard for so long. due to redosing but be careful ive had bad experiences on low doses vomiting etc only once maybe due to a few drinks i had earlier that day but this shit got me thinking it like the 60,s acid tests were doing now with nbome would love too know the ld 50 on it. Ive had some cev that compare to real lsd i'd say 1mg is on par with 100ug of amber not fluff due to little tension etc. But ive tried most of the 2c-x family never tried dox but this shit is everywhere on blotter it makes me sick when its sold as lsd. But this compound has some sugar molecule in it to help with crossing bbb n the vasoconstriction was never a issue and I have researched 25i over ten times you do build tolerance but i seem to be able to trip every weekend so idk if its dosing more. The guy I got it from said 500ug a drop but at that amount i doubt its that high if so ive done more then 3mg at once and it all depends on how much i shake the bottle before dosing weird i can see the crystals in the solution and it has a blue color taste like mouthwash and alcohol. but if you have never done nbome i suggest start low and it takes a while to kick in not a hard push like lsd but a come up that last a good 1 to 2 hours be safe have fun. My last trial run with nbome was 14 hrs due to redosing i have been pushing it to the limit we feel like we are the new electronic hippies with are music and instead of acid test its 2013 and its nbome i can see this drug pushing lsd farther underground due to the pre cursors being easier to order. I tripped listening to skrillex wooowwwwwwwwwwwww the cev were so intense with dupstep music now i know why ppl listen to it wow i feel lucky to have researched and to have more research in future. As long as my court date next week goes well i'll be researching all summer my next trip i will film it and do audio so i can make a complete good trip report.
 
MuMbLZ420 said:
Hello I'm new here, but been using this site for info since 2001. Recently came across some 25i being pushed as ald 52 the taste gave it away and the dude ended up giving me alot cuz i was pissed. Well ive researched it in very high doses above 3mg omg. Never in my life have i tripped so hard for so long. due to redosing but be careful ive had bad experiences on low doses vomiting etc only once maybe due to a few drinks i had earlier that day but this shit got me thinking it like the 60,s acid tests were doing now with nbome would love too know the ld 50 on it. Ive had some cev that compare to real lsd i'd say 1mg is on par with 100ug of amber not fluff due to little tension etc. But ive tried most of the 2c-x family never tried dox but this shit is everywhere on blotter it makes me sick when its sold as lsd. But this compound has some sugar molecule in it to help with crossing bbb n the vasoconstriction was never a issue and I have researched 25i over ten times you do build tolerance but i seem to be able to trip every weekend so idk if its dosing more. The guy I got it from said 500ug a drop but at that amount i doubt its that high if so ive done more then 3mg at once and it all depends on how much i shake the bottle before dosing weird i can see the crystals in the solution and it has a blue color taste like mouthwash and alcohol. but if you have never done nbome i suggest start low and it takes a while to kick in not a hard push like lsd but a come up that last a good 1 to 2 hours be safe have fun. My last trial run with nbome was 14 hrs due to redosing i have been pushing it to the limit we feel like we are the new electronic hippies with are music and instead of acid test its 2013 and its nbome i can see this drug pushing lsd farther underground due to the pre cursors being easier to order. I tripped listening to skrillex wooowwwwwwwwwwwww the cev were so intense with dupstep music now i know why ppl listen to it wow i feel lucky to have researched and to have more research in future. As long as my court date next week goes well i'll be researching all summer my next trip i will film it and do audio so i can make a complete good trip report.
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Being able to trip every weekend on nbome is something to be careful about. The tolerance lasts about 2 weeks, so be careful with your doses especially if you have a few weeks without tripping and decide a high dose based on accumulated tolerance 8(. I can't believe you did more than 3mg 25I, you must have had some tolerance. 1mg nasal is more than enough for most, can't imagine 3mg but everyone is different. Dilute your solution so there are no crystals, this could be the difference between a nice dose and a dangerous dose.
 
A wonderful experiment

A few like minded friends and my experience of 25c and 25i over the past month, equivalent to about 25 individual experiences:

Solutions of 10mg/ml of the nBome HCl salts were made and blotted on papers so that 500ug/tab was produced (not complexed with anything). The 25i was considerably less soluble compared to the 25c. The 25i was heated to 80 degrees c and vortexed before dissolving, whereas the 25c only required vortexing.

General:

Group demographics varied with age between 20 and 27, both male and female participants, varied backgrounds (programmers, microbiologist(myself), artist, musician, business manager, teacher, architect). With an equally varied drug use, no one has a history of abuse or has had drug related problems.

Doses varied from 250ug, the first test, up to and not exceeding 2mg (taken by only myself and one other individual once each). The most common dose, my suggestion for a full bodied experience, 1mg. NB!!!!!! the papers where placed under tongue, not complexed and not to much effect was made not to swallow. Thus I'm certain that the actual dose achieved is much lower than the ones I mentioned. I will not hazard a guess as I have no basis upon which to make it.

Setting also varied, AfricaBurn (a burning man analogue held in South Africa), home (flat with garden), music show.

Our observations:

Everyone found the experience exceptionally enjoyable. With instances of euphoria, laughing, contentedness.
It was found to be quite energetic, even slightly stimulating (similar to MDMA but a lesser degree).
Eating, speaking and generally just doing things sedefinateemed easier compared to on LSD or Shrooms.
Less profound of an experience than LSD or Shrooms, still valuable and much was learned - exceptionally enjoyable.
25i is considerably less active than 25c as expected. 25i seems to be "deeper" or more profound as such.
Extremely visual but some how not over whelming.
Long duration, especially with higher doses. 9-14 hours with a definite mild afterglow lasting a day or so.
Quite exhausting, no trouble sleeping 14-18 hours after dosing.

..... I feel like I could say a lot more about it.

I hope this series doesn't get abused and wreaked for everyone!
 
I've only tried 25c and 25i and didn't notice much difference.
The 25c might have been more psychedelic but I developed a tolerance very quickly so I can't say for sure
 
is there a recommended amount to increase dosage when exploring the nbome series?
my first experience with psychedelics was 550ug 25i sublingual (it was beautiful!)
-if I want to increase the dosage my next time, what would be a good amount to increase it by?
-also, if I were to try 25b/25c, would I take a higher dose given my experience w/ 25i?
 
I found even up to a mg insufflated was fantastic, although beginning to border on being too intense
The downside about sniffing these the NBOMe chems is I never feel high for long enough but the tolerance increase can go from needing 500ug up your nose to 1mg then even up to 4mg to try and chase that high, but the magic is gone until your tolerance is gone.
Then all your left with is a complete inability to sleep and a brain that fucking stop going in circles; basically just feeling horribly strung out.
And I wouldn't start with a higher dosage as long as you have no tolerance and have pre existing experience with psychedelics.
I find once you're used to the psychdelic high in general you can handle yourself much better on higher doses of most psyches, at least most of the tryptamines and phens.
 
this may not be the proper place for this query, but curious, have any definitive reagent reactions been discovered for the NBOMe series? perhaps there are individuals who, for the sake of science, marquis tested any or several of these compounds? if there is already a thread containing similar information - would anyone be kind enough to link me to it?

thank you!
 
Anon0631 said:
I have tried five different NBOMe's so far: 25c, 25b, 25i, 25n and 25d. I feel I need to push 25n further to really appreciate their effects. I will edit this post accordingly once I have done this.

I'm toying with a hypothesis that the alkylated NBOMe's (d, e & p) might differ from halogenated NBOMe's (c, b & i) in that they are significantly more introverted and insightful but less recreational and empathic. It seems that this might be true of the 2c series too although I have only tasted i, b, c and e. Sulgin's extended commentary in the PiHKAL entry for 2c-e might possibly back this up. I would want to have experienced 2c-d, 25e-NBOMe and possibly the propyl substitution of each series before being confident in this conclusion.

Although 25d has a deeply psychedelic nature, it doesn't display much of interest at lower dosage levels (Shulgin's discription of "pharmacological tofu" in his 2c-d PiHKAL entry springs to mind). This isn't necessarily a bad thing. The same can be said of a lowish dose (50-70µg) of LSD compared to a lowish dose (10-12mg) of 2c-b. I assume that the visuals kick in at higher doses because they certainly aren't present at 600-800µg intransally. It's strongly stimulating, emotionally benign similar to 2c-e but doesn't have the recreational "fireworks" of 2c-b or 25c-NBOMe.

Edit: I have now pushed 25d further and it turns out my high-dose hypothesis was correct. At 2-3µg it shines, substituting the fun and games of the halogenated NBOMe's for a more serious, insightful and psychologically useful state. It is also the most visual NBOMe experience I have had (WARNING: do not start with such a high dose - work your way up or chance serious consequences). I will be editing the dosage and activity details below to reflect my new findings.

25i definitely has similarities to 2c-i (good humour for instance) but lacks the gastrointestinal disturbances of the latter. There is a significant orgasmic body high with this material which makes it good for sex. Visuals are more acid-like in the sense that objects morph rather than getting covered in patterns. Overall, more interesting than 2c-i, like an improved version.

Edit: just took 25i with my girlfriend. It wasn't as sex enhancing as I expected. The tactile was really good but sustaining an erection over the course of a long period of foreplay was impossible. That certainly wasn't true on the one occasion I had sex on 2c-i!

25c - visuals are more mescaline-like than 25i with sparks of light and rainbows radiating from objects. The most entactogen-like emotional warmth out of all with the possible exception of 25n but also maybe less insightful than some of the others. Extremely good humoured. Feels very safe to push into high dosage realms. This one is the best of the three halogens for party fun.

25b is really visual and unlike other reports, I didn't get a touch of body load from it even though i did a pretty high dose. The visual effects seem to contain the best of both 25i and 25c with true OEV's and CEV's but I got very little insight from this compound. Bizarrely it is the only PEA I have ever taken where there was absolutely no jaw-clench. 25b dosage is somewhere between 25c and 25i. It doesn't feel as much like 2c-b as 25i feels like 2c-i. One thing that should be noted here is that some of the dosage recommendations knocking about online are suggesting taking double the appropriate dose. This is due to some vendor supplying a 50% pure product in the early days of the compound's availability. LINK TO TRIP REPORT

25n is a work in progress for me. I need to push it higher to see where it takes me. I found a little gastrointestinal load and nausea but nothing hard to handle at 450ug buccal. There was only minor jaw clench and a lovely skin feeling. It's probably more easy in terms of emotional communication than 25c but less loved-up. Maybe a good therapy drug or maybe good for sex? I will have to try. The energy seemed very relaxed and non pushy compared to the others, a bit like the cozy-up-in-bed thing of 2c-c. LINK TO TRIP REPORT

Most of the NBOMe's have very little mindfuck compared to LSD and psylocybin mushrooms. This is a good and bad thing. You could probably have tea with your grandma on these but for the same reason they can lack the psychedelic state where everything is infused with meaning. Upping dosage can obviously provide a (possibly partial, maybe full) remedy for this but I wouldn't suggest exceeding 4 times the starting dosages listed below as this is starting to approach seizure territory. 25d provides more of this "psychedelic ideation" than the others but in a non-mindfucky way - in fact it might be described as my personal holy grail as far as psychedelics go; infused with meaning yet low risk of anxiety, confusion and paranoia. In my experience, these aspects usually come as a package (IE. the more meaningful experiences the compound produces, the higher it's risk of providing a bad trip).

Starting dosages for each compound. Use these to judge the relative dosage levels between compounds (IE. if you know that 1mg 25i-NBOMe is the sweet spot for you, divide 1000 by 600 and then multiply the result by 350 to find the suggested dosage for 25c-NBOMe):

25b - 500µg
25n - 500µg
25c - 350µg
25d - 950µg
25i - 600µg

Below is a subjective ranking of the sampled compounds based on some arbitry categories. (Note that these opinions are really personal and subject to change as I continue my NBOMe research):

Psychedelic ideation 25d > 25b > 25i > 25c > 25n
Visual activity 25d (high dose) > 25b > 25c > 25i > 25d (low dose) > 25n
Worthwhile at low dosages 25n => 25c > 25i > 25d (I have only taken a high dose of 25b)
Tactile stimulation 25n? > 25i > 25c > 25b > 25d
Mood enhancement 25c > 25n > 25i > 25b > 25d
Euphoria 25c > 25d (high dose) > 25b > 25i > 25n? > 25d (low dose)
body load 25n? >25d (in terms of stimulation but not GI) > 25i > 25c > 25b
Duration of action 25b > 25n > 25i > 25c > 25d

(the above was edited to in light of new findings)
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I imagine there have been plenty more findings and experiences since this was posted, would most people say that it still holds as a decent starting point to go off for someone new to NBOMe's?
 
What is weed like with 25[B,C,D,I]-NBOMe? Would it help with vasoconstriction? And would it prevent nausea/vomiting during the come-up?
 
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