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25c tmopa

I've only known of one vendor selling the 25i-NBOH up until recently, and that same vendor has been selling 25i-NBOMe, and I reckon its because of this particular vendor that that thread even exists. Lets be honest, when a thread about x compound shows up its typically because a vendor has put it up for sale, the same goes for the revitalization of existing threads. Anyway, I am lead to believe those are legitimate NBOH reports despite what any theoretical chemistry may seem to indicate. The fact that it has since come out on some UK vendor websites in blotter form recently (obviously as an alternative to nbomes) only furthers that the NBOH series are indeed active. Now I guess my beliefs put some trust into the hands of the vendors themselves, but its not like they dropped nbome and came out with the nboh a day later, there is really no reason to believe they are attempting to pass off the nbome as the nboh.

I recall reading that the body load and stimulation weren't as intense, but I suppose that is what you refer to as the natural variability for a self reported psychedelic experience. On that note, deja vu, I feel like I have had this conversation before.. strange. I liked my 25i experiences so far, but the stimulation was a tad much for me, so those nboh reports seem quite intriguing. In any case, I'm going to be picking some 25i-nboh up just because. Not sure when I'll get to it though.
 
to tell you the truth I tested all a good bit of these mnbomes and each time I did it it made me crave acid even more man I miss Lucy so so much this stuff is very sterile and nature its not a spiritual at all I think that I'm going to give al laad to try because I've noticed some vendors are saarting to sel it I just hope its real lol
 
^ that's exactly the same as saying that eating sausages makes you miss eating steak. They're not meant to be substitutes for each other.
 
never said it was u get my point though, but they are psychadellics. the visuals can be beautiful but just lacks character but I will say that ecstasy with nbomes is fucking amazing
 
Bigazznugz: Nothing yet. On a side note, seems like B30-NBOME is going to be offered rather than C30-NBOME. It's all murkiness and the unknown thus far though.
 
Given that 25C/B/N all have their own characteristics expressed to a degree in the derivative forms. I anticipate that if this compound were active, it would like have a sedative like vibe to it. A 2C-C vibe basically. The mescaline attachment thing doesn't make much sense to me, except for in cases of binding to receptors. Just cause it looks like mescaline, doesn't mean its anything like it. You could almost say that those substitutes on the n-b side are positional isomers to mescaline, but that doesn't mean crap, given we are considering things on the derivative level. Something I believe an intelligent cat said in one of these many pages about 25c-tmopa/c30-nbome.

Side stupid question. Are they the same thing? Where is everyone starting their counting point around the rings, curious huh. stupid side note but yeah... perhaps they are the same, people just don't know how to draw it.

Moving past that, having done the shit now. This c30-nbome (stupid name for it) stuff... well... i'd say the structure, the trimethoxy derivative might not increase potency of PEAs, like some have proposed. I buccaled nine ~250ug buccal hits over a span of 2-3 hours. Decided to stop the in case I was walking into an STP trap lol. Also kind of barred out, just incase things got crazy on me. I think that perhaps this stuff might be active, though I have speculations based on the various structures of TMA and the wide variety of potency between them all. I think this derivative, being a larger compound, such the DOx-N benzyl derivatives, might be an order of a magnitude weaker. I dunno though, more studies to come.

My supplier has gotten me rare gems and great products left and right, so I know this is what I think it is, now I just have to figure out whether its worthwhile or not.

I'd say perhaps taking dosages to 5mg would be the next step, buccal again, and then continue in 5mg increments until I get face fucked or sad lol
 
^ No offense intended, but can you offer anything in the way of an evidence-based argument for suggesting sedative action, of all things? That is not... likely. The NBOMes are highly-selective, high-affinity full-agonists versus the very promiscuous (not so much as tryptamines but still relatively unselective) low-ish affinity partial agonists such as 2C-C or other ordinary PEAs. Furthermore 25C-NBOMe specifically feels essentially nothing like 2C-C. So since we have evidence that N-benzyl PEAs with methoxy subs act differently than vanilla PEAs, why would we expect commonality in effects?

Also, I have never heard anybody who has indeed tried 2C-C call it sedating. Yes, it does possess an aspect of 'intense relaxation', but I would suggest this is much more of a pseudo-zen content feeling than anything remotely approaching sedation, let alone the oft-mentioned 'opiate-like effects' that I hear from people inexperienced with this compound. You have energy, and you're wide awake since you're tripping balls, you just have basically no muscular tension and little to no issue with whatever position you're in wherever you are, it's all satisfying and you're basically content.

No, you could not say that this is 'almost a positional analogue' of mescaline, it is nothing of the sort. Maybe you'd get some gallic-acid-looking metabolites but that's not syringaldehyde which is not mescaline. Three methoxies right next to eachother are a reasonable sub pattern to find on all sorts of stuff, that doesn't make it mescaline, so says the intelligent dinosaur in this thread.

C30 =/= 25C-TMOPA (a hell of a better name) are not the same, and their steric and electrostatic properties will not be the same, steric because of the differently oriented bulk, and electronegative because the methoxies are as said differently oriented. Small changes in a molecular structure can make a big difference in action. Likely their effects will be not hugely different from those of the NBOMes as evinced by the NBOH series. That said, the NBMD series is nearly inactive from personal experience, and that is somewhat similar to two of three methoxies, so there's something else going on that allows activity in these compounds.

So you got no effects from reputed C30? Interesting stuff. Perhaps trimethoxy doesn't work after all as with NBMD. Five mg may be a bit too much (well, no 'maybe' about it), how much total did you take last time? I'd try upping it my a mg at a time as the difference between 1 and 2 mg of NBOMes is the difference between not feeling it and having (admittedly boring, shitty) activity for me.

I'm sure overall mass matters, but the alpha methyl on a DOX-NBOMe isn't analogous to the trimethoxy as on ring 2.

Anyway, welcome to Bluelight, have fun and good luck tracking down more rarities as you mentioned!
 
^ Err no offense taken as well. The bars made things come out not quite right, brain being stupid. 2C-C and 25-C might both be completely different, but the Cl is reflected regardless. That's all I'm really getting at... I'm not saying 25C is sedating by any means. If you tried I, B, C, and N you would understand the reflection of the substitute better in its derivative form. I was just making an assumption I guess, that it would be more like 2C-C and less like Mescaline, though completely different from both of course.

C30-NBOMe / 25C-TMOPA, they are both stupid names that create a lot of stupid confusion. Attempts at avoiding IUPAC so tards understand things better.

I do appreciate the advice regarding the upping of dosage, but yeah with the trial and more research, I'm gonna have to say that it's likely an order of magnitude less potent, maybe even two orders. Perhaps due to mass, blocking, what not. You'd agree if you stepped in the trial as well, but yes of course, being careful about it. I think working it up in 5mg increments is probably the best, at least until I decide that its okay to consider that its effects lie in the next order. I can't see it being completely inactive, but we'll see.

Thanks for the welcome btw, long time watcher, figured this once an interesting topic to contribute too. Generally I'd rather just keep my findings to myself, but given the fact that this has to do with the structural-activity on the opposite side of the amine, it's quite exciting.
 
AnAlleyCat said:
^ Err no offense taken as well. The bars made things come out not quite right, brain being stupid. 2C-C and 25-C might both be completely different, but the Cl is reflected regardless. That's all I'm really getting at... I'm not saying 25C is sedating by any means. If you tried I, B, C, and N you would understand the reflection of the substitute better in its derivative form. I was just making an assumption I guess, that it would be more like 2C-C and less like Mescaline, though completely different from both of course.

C30-NBOMe / 25C-TMOPA, they are both stupid names that create a lot of stupid confusion. Attempts at avoiding IUPAC so tards understand things better.

I do appreciate the advice regarding the upping of dosage, but yeah with the trial and more research, I'm gonna have to say that it's likely an order of magnitude less potent, maybe even two orders. Perhaps due to mass, blocking, what not. You'd agree if you stepped in the trial as well, but yes of course, being careful about it. I think working it up in 5mg increments is probably the best, at least until I decide that its okay to consider that its effects lie in the next order. I can't see it being completely inactive, but we'll see.

Thanks for the welcome btw, long time watcher, figured this once an interesting topic to contribute too. Generally I'd rather just keep my findings to myself, but given the fact that this has to do with the structural-activity on the opposite side of the amine, it's quite exciting.
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Pretty sure you're calling David Nichols a tard.
 
omg he actually responded to my letter he it is from nichols himself "It is a new compound, probably never reported before. They have taken 25C-NBOMe, and changed the NBOMe essentially to an NB(OMe)3 It still has the 2-methoxy group which gives the compound high activity, and they have added a 3 and 4 methoxy to it.



I have no idea how potent it is compared to the simpler NBOMe compounds, but I would guess that it is somewhat less potent (just speculation). It will be more water soluble, so perhaps its duration of action may be shorter. They have clearly attempted to circumvent the UK ban on the 25X NBOMe compounds. Have you seen any “trip reports” on its activity or dose?



There are a huge number of these analogues that can be made that haven’t yet appeared. As long as it has a 2-methoxy on the N-benzyl it will probably be very potent.



Sorry I can’t be of more help, but I suspect more of these will appear over time. :-(



DEN
 
Now that the LSD analogues are out, you don't need to resort to these NBOME type compounds anyway, unless you like your drugs very cheap instead of very good. Nichols said the NBOMEs are not psychedelic anyway, unless he meant based on taking them orally like other such compounds. Surely Nichols must have been aware that they were not orally active though. Wouldn't be much of scientist if he wasn't. NBOME type compounds are good if you want to do some serotonin receptor affinity experiments or something but as recreational drugs they are a big flop IMO. Feeling sick is not quite the same as being high. Visual disturbances are not the same as psychedelic visions. If you were on an island and had nothing other than NBOMEs, it would still be a tough call as to whether it would be worth using. The RC companies put them out, I tried them enough times and in enough various dosages to be quite certain that they are crap. Might as well just get some ipecac. It'll make you feel just as nauseous and be a whole lot cheaper and you'll have as good a visuals by watching the vomit projectiling out of your mouth.
 
jason7 said:
Now that the LSD analogues are out, you don't need to resort to these NBOME type compounds anyway,
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That's an absurd statement which presupposes that everybody should be content with just one psychedelic which happens to your drug of choice.
 
jason7 said:
Now that the LSD analogues are out, you don't need to resort to these NBOME type compounds anyway, unless you like your drugs very cheap instead of very good. Nichols said the NBOMEs are not psychedelic anyway, unless he meant based on taking them orally like other such compounds. Surely Nichols must have been aware that they were not orally active though. Wouldn't be much of scientist if he wasn't. NBOME type compounds are good if you want to do some serotonin receptor affinity experiments or something but as recreational drugs they are a big flop IMO. Feeling sick is not quite the same as being high. Visual disturbances are not the same as psychedelic visions. If you were on an island and had nothing other than NBOMEs, it would still be a tough call as to whether it would be worth using. The RC companies put them out, I tried them enough times and in enough various dosages to be quite certain that they are crap. Might as well just get some ipecac. It'll make you feel just as nauseous and be a whole lot cheaper and you'll have as good a visuals by watching the vomit projectiling out of your mouth.
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Like I've told you before no one responds like you so stop spouting your shit. They make me trip hard and most people also. If they're bad feeling to you don't take them, but don't start believing everyone responds like you.

Yes you get some props bigazznugz. Maybe you could ask him if the increased bulk might deter action.
 
jason7 said:
Now that the LSD analogues are out, you don't need to resort to these NBOME type compounds anyway, unless you like your drugs very cheap instead of very good. Nichols said the NBOMEs are not psychedelic anyway, unless he meant based on taking them orally like other such compounds. Surely Nichols must have been aware that they were not orally active though. Wouldn't be much of scientist if he wasn't. NBOME type compounds are good if you want to do some serotonin receptor affinity experiments or something but as recreational drugs they are a big flop IMO. Feeling sick is not quite the same as being high. Visual disturbances are not the same as psychedelic visions. If you were on an island and had nothing other than NBOMEs, it would still be a tough call as to whether it would be worth using. The RC companies put them out, I tried them enough times and in enough various dosages to be quite certain that they are crap. Might as well just get some ipecac. It'll make you feel just as nauseous and be a whole lot cheaper and you'll have as good a visuals by watching the vomit projectiling out of your mouth.
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LSD analogues, AKA nbomes being marketed as LSZ/AL-LAD.
 
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