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25c tmopa

Solipsis said:
Alright, titrate your dose or don't do it at all...
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Naturally. I will be following my typical scheme for new/untested/undertested compounds, which is 1mg in solution dermally, wait several hours to look for a reaction, then 50 micrograms orally, wait several hours, then double the dosage and repeat until effects present themselves or I reach ~200mg with no effect. At this point I will drop down to 50 micrograms again and try buccally or sublingually, following the same pattern. If no effects present themself again I will drop down to 10 micrograms and try insufflation, following again the same pattern. Then I would move on to vapourization. If all of this fails I will go back to oral and attempt even higher doses. This has provided a high level of safety and a pretty good idea of the dosage of compounds in the past.
 
SeenSoFar said:
Naturally. I will be following my typical scheme for new/untested/undertested compounds, which is 1mg in solution dermally, wait several hours to look for a reaction, then 50 micrograms orally, wait several hours, then double the dosage and repeat until effects present themselves or I reach ~200mg with no effect. At this point I will drop down to 50 micrograms again and try buccally or sublingually, following the same pattern. If no effects present themself again I will drop down to 10 micrograms and try insufflation, following again the same pattern. Then I would move on to vapourization. If all of this fails I will go back to oral and attempt even higher doses. This has provided a high level of safety and a pretty good idea of the dosage of compounds in the past.
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I would suggest to not be so eager for different ROAs and to make sure you wait a sufficient amount of time for tolerance to dissipate.
 
Oh of course. We're not talking a one day exercise here, rather something spread out over several weeks or more. I settled on this scheme as my standard one after lots of experimentation and research, figuring that its the best way to be safe while at the same time leaving no (reasonable) stone unturned. Imagine if no-one had thought to attempt transmucosal adminstration of NBOMe compounds, or vapourization of DMT. Rest easy, this isn't my first rodeo, and I'm quite ready to be completely unprepared for the effects! One can only hope that this one doesn't turn out to have a duration comparable to that of Bromo-DragonFLY or some of the 2C-G homologues, but that is also something I am always prepared to encounter as well.
 
SeenSoFar said:
Oh of course. We're not talking a one day exercise here, rather something spread out over several weeks or more. I settled on this scheme as my standard one after lots of experimentation and research, figuring that its the best way to be safe while at the same time leaving no (reasonable) stone unturned. Imagine if no-one had thought to attempt transmucosal adminstration of NBOMe compounds, or vapourization of DMT. Rest easy, this isn't my first rodeo, and I'm quite ready to be completely unprepared for the effects! One can only hope that this one doesn't turn out to have a duration comparable to that of Bromo-DragonFLY or some of the 2C-G homologues, but that is also something I am always prepared to encounter as well.
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Good luck, sounds fun! Actually I wish I could test some new chemicals on my body... is that suicidal? Either way I love this stuff.
 
Ultimately the sad thing here is making something like 25 I NBOMe a controlled substance now pushes vendors to come up with something new. Will it be better? worse? will people simply move on to a more complicated 25 C because it is not classified. This is all kinda silly IMO I mean they made 2C-I illegal because of overuse and the fact that it was a street drug called smiles..... this gave us a rise in popularity of 2C -C 2C -E followed by the rise of NBOME. and so many others that while simmilar are just different enough to make it an analougue which makes prosecution oh so much more difficult.

Anyway here we stand at the brink watch out someones gonna find a new RC that is active at the single microgram level and that will be oh so much fun and frieghtening for all of us...
 
This guy knows homeopathy even if he doesn't know it. Wonderful approach. You will learn more about what it does before/if you ever even 'trip' off it. I love that approach. I'm glad you guys are gonna call it tapioca nbome. That's awesome! Based off 2C-C huh....well if it's active and not 24 hours I will want to try some tapioca for sure! ;)

Oh of course. We're not talking a one day exercise here, rather something spread out over several weeks or more. I settled on this scheme as my standard one after lots of experimentation and research, figuring that its the best way to be safe while at the same time leaving no (reasonable) stone unturned. Imagine if no-one had thought to attempt transmucosal adminstration of NBOMe compounds, or vapourization of DMT. Rest easy, this isn't my first rodeo, and I'm quite ready to be completely unprepared for the effects! One can only hope that this one doesn't turn out to have a duration comparable to that of Bromo-DragonFLY or some of the 2C-G homologues, but that is also something I am always prepared to encounter as well.
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^^ Is it actually available yet? No, I'm not trying to source, and yes, I know that simply saying you're selling X doesn't mean it is actually X; since these drugs are active at such low levels it would be trivial for a vendor who got stuck with stock left over after the UK NBOMe ban to sell off all his 25C-NBOMe as TMOPA, but regardless of all this is this substance actually now for sale?

I ask because if it is I expect reports will roll in shortly.
 
morninggloryseed said:
This guy knows homeopathy even if he doesn't know it. Wonderful approach. You will learn more about what it does before/if you ever even 'trip' off it. I love that approach. I'm glad you guys are gonna call it tapioca nbome. That's awesome! Based off 2C-C huh....well if it's active and not 24 hours I will want to try some tapioca for sure! ;)
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I don't get it. How can you feel what a substance does before it does anything?
 
Anon0631 said:
I don't get it. How can you feel what a substance does before it does anything?
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If I take 1 ug of mescaline everyday I will eventually become the mescaline spirit! Then I will be molded onto 2C-C and called 25C-TMOPA.

such is the way of homeopathy.
 
The principals of homeopathy were disproved by the research of Avogadro less than a decade after they were first proposed. The subsequent two centuries of practice can described by a single word - "fraud". The only findings there's ever been that support the 'memory of water' claims turned out to be falsified by two lab technicians who were secretly being paid off by French homeopathic company Boiron. When the research was re-run in the same lab under close supervision and double blind conditions, the findings turned out to be baseless.

Basically every claim that homeopathy makes is patently false. Most of them are utterly logically inconsistent too; if water retains memory of substances diluted in it and the higher the dilution, the stronger the effect, then plain tap water would be the most powerful antidote available to every water soluble toxin that ever existed.

Heroine overdose? Just drink a glass of tap water and be instantly cured.
 
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bloodshed344 said:
If I take 1 ug of mescaline everyday I will eventually become the mescaline spirit! Then I will be molded onto 2C-C and called 25C-TMOPA.

such is the way of homeopathy.
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Exactly. Some folks even develop methoxy branches off their genitals, others get them off weird moles but these should be removed as they are prone to hydrogenation and then cancer is around the corner.
 
Deinonychus said:
^^ Is it actually available yet? No, I'm not trying to source, and yes, I know that simply saying you're selling X doesn't mean it is actually X; since these drugs are active at such low levels it would be trivial for a vendor who got stuck with stock left over after the UK NBOMe ban to sell off all his 25C-NBOMe as TMOPA, but regardless of all this is this substance actually now for sale?

I ask because if it is I expect reports will roll in shortly.
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I've only come across it in bulk quantities ^^

not going to drop that much for a few trials lol!
 
A rc supplier I do all my regular business with ,has said that he orederd this compound but has stated one of the methoxy positions are different. I diddnt ask for the chemicals full osition b ut I imagine this is to regain internationalis customers whioare affected by the nbome ban
Have u heard any thing from scandanavia bob?
 
@Bigazznugz: if one of the methoxy positions is different it might very well be C30-NBOMe (see post #2 of this thread), it is the closest relative that is being talked about AFAIK that has exactly that methoxy substitution shift.

Trying to supply people affected by the NBOMe ban seems premature if it isn't even confirmed that the drug is psychoactive.
 
Solipsis said:
@Bigazznugz: if one of the methoxy positions is different it might very well be C30-NBOMe (see post #2 of this thread), it is the closest relative that is being talked about AFAIK that has exactly that methoxy substitution shift.

Trying to supply people affected by the NBOMe ban seems premature if it isn't even confirmed that the drug is psychoactive.
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Right but with the chemical structure being so close their logic is obvious. and I'm sure it will be proven to be psychoactive, maybe not in a reasonable way though.
 
Anon0631 said:
Why don't vendors just supply 25c/b/i/d NBOH to get round the ban?
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Some are already offering 25i-nboh.

I'd love to get my hands on the 25d,e,n,p nbomes but I doubt I ever will since no one is stocking these things and even vendors where the nbomes are legal are phasing them out :( I can only find 25b and c right now, i is on its way out. I guess I missed the game by a year. Hopefully the nbohs flourish to an extent in the same way before being smacked down.

I guess this is just an ongoing, perpetually inevitable 'problem' in this line of work
 
Not to try to derail things with an off-topic family of compounds, but will the NBOH series even be able to get into the brain that well? I'm seeing the phenol group and thinking about polarity and the blood-brain barrier in an unfavorable manner. The 25I-NBOH small and handy here on BL seems to suggest its get through just fine, but I wonder how many of those reports were NBOMe passed off as NBOH since the dosages are supposedly the same and the only reported difference is duration of action being perhaps an hour less, will within the natural variability for a self-reported psychedelic experience.

Somebody suggested that the hydroxyl could hydrogen bond with the secondary amine, thus allowing it to get through the BBB in spite of its theoretically suggested polarity. An awesome study of sorts would be to try N-benzyl PEAs with the hydroxyl located ortho, meta, and para the site of attachment to the aliphatic chain, to see if this hydrogen bonding theory holds up. There would be increasing levels of steric problems getting the hydroxyl near enough to the amine as one progressed from ortho to para. Someday, somewhere, I hope someone will answer these questions...

Anyway /digression, and worth pointing out for those Bluelighters with attention spans shorter than a mouse's dick that I'm talking about NBOH compounds, not TMOPA, so don't go taking my talk about 'equal dosages' to apply to the trimethoxy compound. I'd hope nobody would be that foolish, but you just never do know...
 
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