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2012-2013 Football Thread v.2

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I know YT can make anyone look decent, but this Marco Van Ginkel lad really does look decent.

The Goals are 1.30min and 5.40 Min are worthy of any league , my mancrush on him is already in full effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Iq3epMbAg

Nice first signing by The Special One.
£15 million with the add ons, good value for a 20 year old.
 
Did Barca really get Neymar? I don't see the logic in that, seems one of those idiotic purchases more related to marketing and merchendise sale than on the pitch performance. They need badly at least two defenders and perhaps a keeper, somebody up front slightly taller than a Hobbit would also help, they were overpowered and outmuscled by Bayern.

Neymar is largely unproven, every time I've seen him play he was underwhelming, all the tricks and stepovers might work in the Brazilian league where he has lots of free space and no pressure, but in Europe it will be harder, I can't wait to see my hero Pepe give him a good kicking.
 
Van Ginkel's one of the best midfielders in the league here right now, was hoping he would come to Ajax as they were interested too but of course they can never compete with the sums clubs like Chelsea are willing to spend on a player.
 
Septonn said:
Van Ginkel's one of the best midfielders in the league here right now, was hoping he would come to Ajax as they were interested too but of course they can never compete with the sums clubs like Chelsea are willing to spend on a player.
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Hearing lots of good things about him, along with Strootman he is supposed to be the best talent in Holland.
Hopefully he gets a chance, this is supposed to be a Mourinho signing and he thinks he can play right away.

As an Ajax fan what do you think about Erikson? will he stay another year , It would be much better for his progress to stay at Ajax one more year than to go to a middling club like Liverpool.

Neymar to Barca is outstanding for them, no massive pressure for him to produce right away and La Liga suits him way better than the Premiership. imho



PS you watch much more eredivisie I guess, how is Tomas Kalas at Vitesse? Chelsea have really high hopes for him.

He looks fucking Mental half the time, love some of those challenges, with the yellow and black( like fenerbahce) kit he reminds me of a young Diego Lugano

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo23jbfj9Q0

Love how Chelsea are stockpiling some of the best young talent in Europe !!
 
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The Liberal Media said:
Been watching football for eons and I can now safely say there are TWO players that have the most brilliant movement off the ball.

The first one I saw was Hernan Crespo

The 2nd one is Thomas Muller..
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Never got to see a certain E Sheringham then i take it .

If he had been foreign people would have been talking about him as one of Greatest .
 
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^^ This is not in any way confirmed is it? Falcao moving to AS I mean.
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Seems that the deal has an option for another buyout in the January Window where only TWO clubs can buy him from Monaco . ie Real Madrid and Chelsea.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.intereconomia.com/noticias-/punto-pelota/borja-mazarro-falcao-tiene-una-clausula-para-madrid-o-chelsea-20130528

Not sure how that would be done, I think UEFA have a limit on the clubs that you can be with in any 12 month window ie two clubs, another transfer would make it 3, then again guys like Bebe did it, I guess its who you know really

Heres a fantastic summary of the situation, seems he didnt really have much choice. Some of these 3rd party South American deals are dodgy as fuck, why are Amnesty International not on the case ?
Great article and well worth sticking with, some murky shit going on with these guys, its basically a meat market.

http://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1e8ncw/explaining_the_falcao_move_to_monaco/

Falcao. He was purchased by a third-party ownership group as part of his transfer to Porto. They bought 55% (likely more) of his transfer rights, supplemented his salary while he was paying at Porto and then moved him to Atletico for the purpose of getting him more exposure (likely with an eye on moving him eventually to Real Madrid). During the time Falcao was there, the investors were supplementing his wages again (infact paying most of them) and working on negotiating his big move which would see them cash out.

Porto's financials show the following for the Falcao transfer:

sale of 60% of the economic rights of the player Bolatti to the entity Natland Financieringsmaatschappij B.V., on July 2009, by the amount of, approximately, 1,500,000 Euro, (transaction perform under the acquisition process of 40% of the registration of Falcao)

There is another section where it is disclosed that they sold another 5% option in Falcao, and another section where it is disclosed that there is an option for a third party to purchase a further 10%.

The same filing shows that Porto only owned 45% of Hulk.

What is more interesting is who is involved in the Falcao ownership. The group is called Doyen Sports and it was founded by Jorge Mendes (most famous as Ronaldo's agent, but an infamous player agent who is involved in a lot of third-party deals) and Peter Kenyon (former Chelsea chairman).

On their website they have a page for Falcao and you can also see the other players listed. Falcao, like Hulk, ended up in a situation where there was so much invested in him that it would take a lot of money for the investors to see a return (known as being highly leveraged). They were paying his salary for a few seasons, had floated Atleti some money to keep them alive (they got some shirt sponsorship in return) and had made the initial investment when he first transferred.

Falcao ends up moving to Atletico in a 40M move - despite Atleti the previous season stating that they had to clear players out because of their 220M euro tax bill with the Spanish government. What this ended up being is a 20 + 20M deal. 20M never gets paid because its just the third-party owners paying themselves, and of the other 20M only 18M is owed by Atleti, who take an option of paying in two 9M installments (they were late on the first one, they only paid 2.5M and defaulted to the point of Porto threatening to sue and taking the issue up with FIFA). End situation is that around 60% of the rights are with the Doylen group. It also appears that while Falcao was at Atletico that Doylen took an option for a larger stake in him since Atleti were late on their payments. Something weird happen which involved Doylen taking a sponsorship. Either way, they had the majority stake and Atletico had no say or control of the player. For all purposes it was nothing more than a loan with Atletico having a small stake in his registration rights.

The president of Atletico Madrid continuously insisted that they own all the rights to Falcao, but this simply isn't true.

Falcao is on a wage of 10M euro per year, and the return the investors wanted is 60M euro in transfer fee. This narrows down the list of potential clubs that can buy you out to very few. Atletico had no say in where Falcao goes, they had an option in the winter transfer window, but that expired. The owners needed their return and they were going to get it one way or the other.

The list can be narrowed down to PSG, Monaco, Real Madrid, Chelsea and City. City aren't making large investments any longer, PSG have their fix of strikers. Of the remaining three, it is apparent that Real Madrid didn't want to pay up the 60M + 50M in contracts for Falcao (for whatever reason). Apparently Chelsea matched the 60M clause but to pay Falcao the 10M per season in wages would involve a total gross salary of 300k+ per week, which just isn't manageable.

Chelsea also have the issue of not being allowed to directly purchase a player from a third-party owner (apparently this is what turned ManU off a move) so it would have required a two-step sale with Falcao going to one club outright and then to Chelsea. Apparently with the David Luiz transfer on the same day he moved to Chelsea Benfica bought out the entirety of his rights from third-party owners (so you can summize that Chelsea gave them the money to buy out that deal so that they could purchase 100% of Luiz directly from Benfica, thus avoiding the third-party rule in England).

With all of these factors you end up with only one target: Monaco. They have the 60M to pay out the investors, they have the funds to pay his wages of 10M per year and better yet they have no income tax so they don't have to supplement the gross.

So in the end Falcao is moved around Europe by his investors with the only goal of making a return for them. He has little to no say in his final destination because of a deal he agreed to years ago while he was still in South America.
 
Murky shit you say? Peter Kenyon you say? Who'd have thunk it?

Seriously, this level of money, this level of risk and intrusion into people's freedom of movement...that's how people end up getting shot. All sorts of people. One day it will be the footballer themselves.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Murky shit you say? Peter Kenyon you say? Who'd have thunk it?

Seriously, this level of money, this level of risk and intrusion into people's freedom of movement...that's how people end up getting shot. All sorts of people. One day it will be the footballer themselves.
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I know its crazy, but some of these South American kids have to do it. Its so endemic in the culture almost like grooming for lack of a more sensitive comparision.
I dont think anyone would have predicted that when Falcao signed that deal with the 3rd party( probably at River Plate) that he would be a 60 million euro player later on.
As always the agents will make a killing, Falcao will go to Real or Chelsea in a year and they will get another cut.

There is no trickle down effect in football thesedays. River Plate probabay only saw at the most a couple of Million of whatever Porto paid for Falcao.
Edit it seems Porto only paid 4 million for him, hence why such a highly rated prospect could be afforded by Porto
3rd party ownership probably paid for 80% of the deal.
 
I see that James Rodriguez went to AS Monaco for €45,000,000 .

What a fukin waste . We don't want the best players playing in a Tax Heaven Principality in a half empty stadium .

The same goes for Falcao if he makes the move to Monaco .
 
Is tragic, I do think falcao will end up there as well, so whats the fuck with these FFP rules? Or do they not care about europe, I think they will easily spend £150m+ this season Carvalho, Moutinho and Rodriguez all ready are confirmed, Tevez has all ready been giving his admiration for the club (money grabbing cunt) so might even see him there.

Guess who all there agents are? Mr george mendes, strange how one man can have such an impact on football.

Anyway there are transfer murmerings of thiago alacantara to Manchester United from Barca, not a too far off shout to be honest, his transfer clause has just dropped from 90m euroes to around 18m I think it was because he didnt play a set amount of the time for the club last season, at 22 years as well hes looking very good, like someone we need. Maybe de gea can tempt him when they meet up for the u21s, if all else failings theres always fabregas lol (id take kevin strootman also)

More excited about seeing Zaha in a UTD shirt though next season, nothing better than a raw promising youngster
 
Moutinho as well , i knew he would leave at some point but to that bunch of Tossers .

It feels like a Proper Football Club with Proper fans one that i support & have held a season ticket for is being raped by well i wouldn't even call them a Club .

So they could line up with Falcao , Rodriguez & Mountinho that breaks my heart tbh .

FC Porto have always been a club that has to sell & i am ok with that but i like to think that the players are leaving cos they have had enough of the Portuguese League not cos of Money.

Not in a million years will the atmosphere inthat Principlaity be anything like Estadio Dragao.

Financial Fair Play what a load of Toss , obviously doesn't apply in France :|
 
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England V Republic of Ireland tonight, wheres this come from lol kept it quiet last time we played was like in 1980 was it? Remember seeing a footie doc on it and getting abandoned into the first half after england went one down?? Too young to remember, probably not even alive.

Whatever the result im sure the papers will be full of NO SURRENDER, sickening chats, or w,e else
 
The Liberal Media said:
Credit where its due, he basically changed the fortunes of one of the biggest clubs in the world.
Of course as a Chelsea fan, we remember him moreso for his 2 wins out of 15 games against Jose Mourinho, which is why we laugh a bit about the "greatest manager ever" comments.

Great manager yes.
Not on par with the likes of Paisley or Udo Lattek or Tele Santana IMO
For Longevity and consistancy yeah he is certainly up there though.
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Young Man !

Have you forgotten a certain Brian Clough .

I just been watching The Damn United which is a cracking film n i recommend you all have a butchers .
 
Mendo_K said:
England V Republic of Ireland tonight, wheres this come from lol kept it quiet last time we played was like in 1980 was it? Remember seeing a footie doc on it and getting abandoned into the first half after england went one down?? Too young to remember, probably not even alive.

Whatever the result im sure the papers will be full of NO SURRENDER, sickening chats, or w,e else
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That game the one that was abandoned 1995.

The start & end of Le Tissiers international Career . Wonder what would have happened if that mob of animals hadn't attended ?
 
Great header from Long. Top drawer.
Wonder if he will go to Lazio, the goal certainly improves his chances

Germany 4-0 up on Ecuador after 24 mins lol
 
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