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2004 Mushroom season( Victoria)

Originally posted by MasTerJ
Whatever the case is I'd like to know (in theory) how much dry shroom matter would fit in one of these caps. I was thinking about using one as a measuring device.

This probably isn't the best idea as it depends on how compressed the contents are. A ~200mg variance on each cap will end up being quite a lot if you have a 2.5 gram or so dose.
 
I have found 700g of mushroom powder fits pretty reliably into one one 00 gelcap. Mind you that was with a pretty uniform capping device that can be easily and cheaply purchased from a health food store. Seriously, 00 caps aren't that hard to find, hell if you're lazy pull out the yellow pages and call a few places first to check they have them in stock first. Otherwise Google it.

Below are the measurements of caps so you can work out what size your current vitamin caps are (likely 00).

000 - length 26.14mm, Width 9.55mm
00 - L 23.30mm, W 8.18mm
0- L 21.20mm, W7.34mm

IF you decide to hand fill (REALLY frustrating and inaccurate), like Cowboy Mac said, its very easy to get 150mg+/- differences, especially if the mushroom powder isn't a uniform consistency. If you still decide to go down the hand filling path, make sure you tamper the powder (push it down so as fit more in) several times for each cap (and again make sure you this uniform too - i.e. 3 tampers for every cap).

The whole point of drying and capping mushrooms is so that you can measure a reliable dose. Handfilling or 'about a teaspoon' measures kinda negate the purpose of capping it in the first place. I know I'd hate myself if I unknowingly gave someone a heroic dose, regardless of the outcome.
 
The thing with putting stuff in caps that you empty out is that you can never fit as much stuff in there as the manufacturer who filled their caps with a machine can.

Doing it by hand is fiddly and I'm guessing the machines that manufacturers use can fill the caps with powder much more densely than we can, pouring powder off a folded bit of paper.
 
Yeah, just eat powder. Caps are useless. Cause either your weighing the powder b4 you put it in the cap, therefore meaning you can weigh a dose b4 you eat it anyway. Or your not weighing the powder b4 you cap it, in which case, its not going to be any more acurate a dose than just eyeballing it b4 you eat it, possibly, even less accurate depending on how many caps you eat. (variance of each cap * no# of caps eaten = too big or too little a dose)

Only people i've known to cap mushrooms did it to sell them at clubs, which is lame.
 
Caps are handy for parties. Less messy, and hey, if you've got the time on your hands why not do it?

Just because you don't think it's worth doing some people do enjoy capping mushrooms
 
Some people don't like the taste of dried mushrooms, so a pre-measured dose put into multiple caps is a good solution.
 
Just because you don't think it's worth doing some people do enjoy capping mushrooms
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I just offering advice, not giving orders... What do I care about how people eat their shrooms? All I know is that I couldn't be arsed powdering and capping my shrooms but, hey, I never said I'm not a lazy prick!

Yeah, just eat powder
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Don't powder them, it will only quicken the oxidisation of the psilocybin, leave them whole. Personally, I always chew mine a bit for the sub-lingual effect, a bit of dry-retching is a small price to pay! =D

Oh... And bugger dosage considerations \/\/

When in doubt, double the dose. Only when slayed by the mushroom does it's true message become clear.
--Terrence McKenna
 
Well I just found a patch of mycelium growing in my back yard where I put spoors in late summer so I suppose that answers that question. If you have the correct conditions a patch can be "made" within a year or so. I will wait until it fruits to see if Im completly correct though as it could be another type of fungi.
 
I found an interesting patch of subs (if thats what they are?) the other week. I have finaly got around to taking some photos of the more interesting features.

*The gill structure apears to never develop fully on most secimens
*A few of the older mature ones are convex unlike most subs (not all from my experience)
*Growing on normal substrate (wood chips)
*Bruise blue as per normal
*VERY firm caps on all specimens
*None over 1.5 cm across (the patch contained mushrooms in all stages of developement and they get mushy and black and decompose without growing any biger. I have watched it for about 1 month now to see if it was the weather causing them to die before maturity but aparently not)

Here are some photos:
CONVEX1.jpg

CONVEX2.jpg

GILLS1.jpg

GILSS2.jpg


Has anyone seen anything like these?
 
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I think I speak for everyone when i say WHAT THE FUCK is with those gills? The first 2 are standard mature looking specimens, probably been around a while, I got a pic of some that look just like that yesterday, i'll post the pic later. But I have no idea what's with those gills. You positive it's a sub? It looks like you said, as if the gills just didn't develop or something.
 
Yup its a sub!! Im fixing the picture of the second gill shot now....
They are deffinatly subs though... The second photo is an example of some bluing on gills of these strange specimens. The caps almost feel like rubber or something they are REALY solid.
 
they are growing under native eucalyptus trees.
I will go post at the shroomery now.
The interesting this is that there are allso a large variety growing in the same substrate that are larger all round. The pins can be as large as the photos I have posted. The adults have flat to wavy tops with a clearly defined nipple on each one. I will go back and try to get a macro shot of a large pin next to a small mature mushroom tomorrow.
 
^^ I found one of those today! Found in a patch separate from other subs, (and in comparatively dry conditions), the ones I found were a little larger, with the largest approx 2.5 cm across the top and with the same 'unformed gills'. They were all far too old to be picked, but I too sat there looking at them in confusion trying to work out exactly what they were.

Mongman, how moist was the area you found your specimens in? The ones I found were growing in an area with sandy loam soil (but not sand obviously) that had a thin layer of natural mulch spread over it. My theory was that moisture was not remaining in the soil long enough for the gills to develop, rather passing through the thin layer of mulch an into the sandy soil (which holds water very poorly). Any other hypothesis?

Edit: Oh ok, a different species, that would be a logical reason ;)
 
Nope it was quite moist and well shaded area under bushy eucalyptus tree's. I have no doubt that they are active but the sub genre is whats getting me.

EDIT: miss slingshot: Some of the severly decomposing ones may have been about the size as the ones your describing. Sounds like these are more wide spread than I thought! Im interested in potency, Im going to to some experiments =D
 
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