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2004 Mushroom season( Victoria)

Well how about this...I have no experienced shroomers to go picking with. I am going to go picking mushrooms regardless of this. I am sure that I'm not the only one who started picking mushrooms without having a shroom sensei to guide me, although I appreciate that not having an experienced picker with me greatly increases the risks I am running.

I have an idea from looking around the internet what subs look like. Now I am asking for more ways of ascertaining what sort of mushroom I have, should I go picking in the future.

I would be very appreciative of some advice as to how to bruise a mushroom properly, and whether or not the thing I mentioned earlier about squishing mushrooms in water is effective. Thanks Mongman for your advice as to how to bruise mushrooms, I think that's about the best description a person can give over a medium as limited as text.

Thanks in advance for any helpful replies. :)
 
I didn't have anyone to show me the ropes, but you can offset that by reading and learning more. Having someone to step you through it all helps as you can learn a lot faster, think of it as comparing a course via correspondence, or by being involved in a tutorial. If you don't have a tutor you just have to hit the books more and educate yourself. The safest method is to bruise all the mushrooms you pick, and spore print each of them.
 
do alot of reading.. there is plenty of information out there if you search for it (especially on the internet!). check out lots of photos... p. subaeruginosa has many shapes and forms, but it still looks quite distinct (although there are several poisonous lookalikes).

btw monkey_on_speed i too dont think they're subs. some of them have a similar cap shape to sub's, however galerinas can look very much like subs, as can some stropharias. chuck them out...

most of the specimens i've found in the past had blue bruising already somewhere on them, and if they didn't, they sure did once i had picked them. blue bruising is generally pretty obvious on this species, it's not difficult to bruise a mushroom - scratch it or squeeze it... hell, just pull it out of the ground and u'll bruise it in one way or another by accident. it's DAMN OBVIOUS, so if you're inexperienced and say "im positive its a magic mushroom" because you chucked out everything that you didn't think was magic, and it still didnt bruise blue, or have a purple/brown spore print... then you're an idiot. this isn't a game... it can be a life and death situation. if someone on here says it's NOT magic, then DONT eat it... and if someone on here says it IS magic, then that's not even a reason to eat it!

take it seriously, and If it bruises an obvious blue, has a brown/purple spore print, looks macroscopically like a p. sub, and then when you post good clear macro photos of it on here and a bunch of experienced pickers unanimously say it's definitely a sub, then maybe u can think about eating it then.

i'm so sick of inexperienced people coming on this board and ignoring all the warning signs ... it shows u haven't done your research and it shows you're an absolute idiot.
 
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His thread is the 'mushroom tea' one... That's when everything went pear-shaped for the poor-bugger... Really bad thing is had had 3 didn't feel anything and then at 6 more!!!... Jeez I hope he's ok...
Stupid fucker, but I do feel very bad for him.
 
I agree with you Jimbu- if someone says it's not a sub then don't try and still convince yourself it is. I had some friedns who called me last year claiming they found some. The description over the phone sounded like subs but i said do not eat them unless they clearly turned blue. The idiots ate them anyway on the basis that one of their friends had "seen some recently and they looked exactly like this". Luckily they were okay, but it was just that, luck. As jimbu clearly noted, this is not a game. Respect yourself, do your research and don't jump to conclusions.

peace
 
Well I'm thinking about trying some of my dried mushies sometime. I would be aiming for around a level 3 trip. Now the dosage calculator over at shroomery (http://www.shroomery.org/index/the/default/par/12195)does not have our beloved P.Subs listed for some reason. Would anyone here know which of the other 16 shroom groups listed there would most resemble p.sub potency levels?
Also whats the easiest way of measuring out grams without accurate scales,? i.e how much would a tea/tablespoon weigh??
Any guidance would be much appreciated.

mj
 
CRASH COURSE IN MUSHROOM HUNTING:
Reinstating what everyone has said, If the stems (and usually the caps too) don't go distinctly blue, don't even consider eating them. There are remarkable lookalikes that already have a slight blue/ green tinge to the top of the mushroom and tend to have a wet/ moist consistency on top. The stems of these mushrooms will not bruise blue and ARE NOT ACTIVE.

When you cut the mushroom at a little over ground level with scissors, chances are it will stain blue. I bruise all my mushrooms by making a small cross with my nail on a nice white part of the stem. This way I KNOW the resulting blue bruising is from me, not some lookalike species, dirt, rotting or other damage.

In half an hour at most, (usually the end of the hunt), go through and check every single mushroom, both to check that your cross has stained a distinct blue and to check for any sign of rotting. I know it sounds obvious, but even a slightly bad mushroom can make you very sick. Being ill is never fun, but being ill from a mushroom you aren't completely sure if its poisonous or not, is a lesson I wouldn't wish on anybody. Throw away any too old/ rotting mushrooms as the bugs that usually live in them will quickly spread to you other healthy mushrooms.

Do a spore print for every single mushroom to confirm its identity. When you go back to the site again, take the spore print and wipe the spores all over a patch of ground similar to where you found your mushrooms. This will help maintain and may even help grow the size of the patch, which is great for everyone.

Take quality close up photos of where you found the mushrooms, tops, stems, gills and a spore print and anyone here or at the shroomery will id them for you. Unless you have someone who is really experienced to show you the ropes, its the only safe way to go mushie hunting.
 
According to this Erowid Psilocybin Mushroom FAQ, Psilocybin Cubensis listed as very similar when comparing the whole mushroom amounts to Psilocybe Subaeruginosa. Use weight rather than mushrooms though as it will be more accurate, also consider varying potency between season, flush, and individual mushroom.
 
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I don't know about this Cowboy Mac, cubensis from all accounts and the one experience i've had with them are a LOT less potent than p.subs. P.Subs are known to be one of the most potent species there are, Cubensis, I was eating handfuls of dried specimens and only got a trip similar to 1 gram of subaeruginosa.
 
monkey on speed... they look like stopheria.. they are VERY VERY common right now around suburban melbourne. They look quite like subs except the stems have a reddish/orange tinge to them.. sub stems are very shiny and fiberous and they bruse a distinct blue when you touch them or pull them out of the ground.. plus their caps r more of a shit brownish colour then a red... there are two main look alikes to subs around melbourne.. these are stropharia, as mentioned above which will give you the shits.. and galerina, which will kill you.. however galerina tend to grow up in the hills.. ive never seen them in the suburbs but that dosnt mean they dont grow there... galerina kind of have the same shape to subs except their stems are a blackish colour from the bottom getting lighter as it goes up.. the gills are quite distant and they have a DISTINCT ring around the top of the stem just before the stem connects to the cap... these things will kill you.. do your research before u go hunting.. this is my first season but ive spent heaps of time researching and asking questions. ive found heaps of subs.. the first time i went hunting i found stropharia thinking they were subs as well but i didnt eat them till i got ID...safe picking and take heed of whats being said on this thread.. it could save your life.
 
Originally posted by Hardicus
I don't know about this Cowboy Mac, cubensis from all accounts and the one experience i've had with them are a LOT less potent than p.subs. P.Subs are known to be one of the most potent species there are, Cubensis, I was eating handfuls of dried specimens and only got a trip similar to 1 gram of subaeruginosa.

As I said Hardi, it is not my own opinon, something that was deduced from Erowid. I have never had Psilocybe Cubensis to compare so I can't offer any anecdotal experience. The only other thing I could suggest is trying to find some accurate scientific mycology/enthobotany data on the psilocybin/psilocin content of Psiolcybin Subaeruginosa.
 
erowid is incorrect in this case...

p. subaeruginosa are pretty much on par in potency with other woodloving psilocybes - ie. p. cyanescens, p. azurescens, etc. 1-2 dried grams will have u in for a ride.
 
Example of Bluing

Here is a good example of the type of bluing one may expect on a P. Sub. Specimen. This one was found in suburban Melbourne this year.

bluing.jpg
 
I concur with jimbu, from what Ive read so far.
http://www.mushroomjohn.com/species46a.htm
Comment:This species is macroscopically close to Psilocybe azurescens but without the definite umbo of P. azurescens. Also very close macroscopically to P. aucklandii, P. australiana and P. eucalypta.

The last 2 mentioned are both considered subs as far as I'm aware. I still haven't come across a mg/g (psilocybin per dry gram) figure for subs but I think its safe to say its somewhere between 5mg/g - 7mg/g
Glad to hear you survived TrippinPussy, I hope you recover from the ordeal soon.

mj
 
In the interest of harm minimisation I feel asking for online mushroom ID's very dangerous and would be quite happy to see for no more photo ID's to be allowed at all. TripnPussy's little weekend adventure highlights just how dangerous shrooming can be for those inexperienced hunters. There is no way a single rough photo seen through the internet is enough to get a positive ID.

If you don't know what your looking for, exactly what your looking for, just don't go hunting and don't ask us to ID toadstools you found in your backyard as clearly you shouldn't be shrooming in the first place. This just leaves you blaming bluelight when you poison yourself.
 
fry-d, i do agree... however in the case of p. sub's, it is possible to make a positive ID based on a good quality macro photograph (which most people seem unable to provide). so it's probably best that people don't come here for ID's.

the stupidity of many people frustrates me... it seems people are going to eat unidentified mushrooms even if warned against it.

if you've do the appropriate research then ... first of all you should know the habitat to look in, you should know the macroscopic appearance/variations of what you're looking for, etc. furthermore, if you do happen to find what appear by all respects to be p. sub's, seek out the shroomery, familiarise yourself with the people in the hunting section, and which of them actually know what they're talking about, and get yourself a good quality digital camera. even then you're taking a risk...

far out, this is bluelight.. everyone who comes here should know the extreme importance of information and education when it comes to drugs, especially when it comes to mushrooms and toadstools which can KILL YOU.
 
Its interesting that there is no official illegal shroom market here in Australia, in america they are sold like weed even though they can also be picked in most areas. Im amazed that some enterprising person has not jumped on this. It would probably reduce the urge to pick and eat some un-identified mushroom as well if you could buy the gaurenteed real deal whenever you want!!

EDIT: I mean the trade in cultured mushrooms not something some dill went out and picked and "claims to be an expert about"
 
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I have found that there is resistance to the idea of buying and selling shrooms here in Australia...I have found that people are willing to give away shrooms but not to selling them. The sentiment is that drugs should be free and mushies are the only free drug left, and turning them into a commodity isn't cool.

I agree with this, but on the other hand I would like to be able to buy mushies without running the risks that inexperienced picking entails.
 
I highly doubt the mushrooms sold in large scale operations would be collected from the wild. As listed in the DEA's microgram they would be cultivated on a large scale indoors using methods that could be found at the shroomery.
 
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