2-D/Digital/Photoshop Art Discussion

[ego_loss]

i trivialize it because of the effort/time spent. and i readily admit it.

it isnt fair to compare the 2, because one photoshop produces much better results much faster, with less effort.

its still real art, just not what im looking for.

SA will you rename the thread titles?

"bluelight weekly 2-d non-digital art contest"

^does that sound descriptive enough?

You trivialize it, but you still consider it art. You want people to enter something that they put effort into, yet you don't think spending hours in photoshop is effort. See where I'm going?

This is the source of all the tension coming your way. Your attitude towards people who use digital means is condescending. You come off sounding very arrogant/insulting/ignorant for someone who considers himself an "artist".

 

[ego_loss]

tell me where i said ALL paintings are good, or ALL digital art is bad.

obviously it isnt the case.

You never directly said ALL digital art is BAD. What you have said, over and over and over, is that you don't consider it to be a valid form of expression... which is even worse. Good/bad is subjective, and I will defend your right to call a piece good or bad to the death... however dismissing an entire medium is not really something that's open for a whole lot of subjectivity.

 

[ego_loss]

go ahead and chastize ego_loss for his insult to us classic artists then. apparantly he could learn to paint like rockwell in a day.

thats pretty insulting to the art community as a whole.

!!

and no, i havent insulted anyone. its ALL inferred. i feel that photoshop is not generally (you CAN do it) a MEDIUM in and of itself.

There is nothing inferred in that statement. You are outright saying that you do not think it is a valid medium.

you need images in it to manipulate.

like i said, its an editor, not a creator. i dont see how thats insulting to anyone.

If you really think that it is strictly a photo editor then you are far too ignorant about the capabilities of the program, and your argument loses any credibility. A majority of what I do starts out as a blank screen and an image in my head, nothing more.

Anyways, I have officially said everything I feel I need to say about this topic. If you want to keep thinking the way you do, it's your problem... not mine or anyone else's.

 

[blissfulMenace]

seriously pierre remember when i was watching time-lapses of people creating things in photoshop? i was watching 6 hours of creation from scratch, no photos, no basis to start....

i say just make your forum the physical medium thread and mine will be the digital medium thread, then there is the photography thread...

mine will allow things made from scratch OR edited photos, then mazdans can be the straight up photo editing competition.. 4 comps covering all bases of art.. sound fair? now lets end this petty arguing

 

[alasdairm]

this is the first time ive done anything like this, and BOY are yall roasting me for it!

everybody except new bluelighter 'jaffna'. it's almost as if... nevermind.

If you're going to pick and choose what you want based on your own preferences this isn't going to manifest into anything positive.

indeed.

alasdair

 

[blissfulMenace]

haha alasdirm that cracked me up.. lucky for wesmdow i know both wesmdow and jaffna in RL.. even tho wesmdow showed BL to jaffna for the first time they are in fact 2 separate people

 

[ego_loss]

everybody except new bluelighter 'jaffna'. it's almost as if... nevermind.

That was my first thought as well.

 

[wesmdow]

yea hes my friend. he doesnt know much about how to use a forum.

heres the problem. i worded the title wrong.

i dont think chrissies entry was fair, i dont think that eyeball was fair.

the idea is not to have photographs. if photographs are allowed at any stage of manipulation, what sets this thread apart from the photo thread OR the digital art thread?

theyd all be the same, with different themes.

and no, i am not jaffna. just to clarify.

so if we allow it all in the 2-d art thread. then why enter the photo thread? or vice versa? how come the PHOTO thread can be limited to a certain medium, where this one cant?

how about this: who really thinks that either the eyeball, or the hot chick took nearly as much effort as QE's, thizzles, etc?

maybe its not about effort, but i personally feel as though since we already have a thread for photos, why allow them in this one?

if you HAVE a photo that kicks ass, why not enter your kickass stuff there?

you say "if you dont like it, dont vote for it" thats just the thing: chrissies PHOTOGRAPH was awsome, i really do like it for a number of reasons.


why arent edited photos allowed in the photo contest? because its SA's thread. and he said so. i think you should be allowed to touch up your photos, because often theres that ONE little thing that throws it off....but my opinion doesnt matter because its his thread.

and no one complains about that...

so what is SO wrong with not allowing photos in this thread?

if everyone really wants it that way, well, its gonna be a pretty lame contest.

why even bother entering your hand-made artwork, when you can take a quality photo and change the background, thereby making it eligable?

i dont see the point in continuing, if all we want in this modified photos.

also, i never said anything against digital art. i was arguing the definition of a medium, and the fact that to keep things simple and fair, the number of mediums one can use are (HARDLY) limited.

in the photo thread, the medium is limited to film. i ATTEMPTED (poorly) to get across the idea that this was for original artwork not photos, but a simple photograph won with flying colors.

this, in my opinion, defeats the purpose of the thread. i am not gonna take responsibilty for a thread im not interested in; ie: an edited photo contest. thats what this WILL devolve to, and frankly im not interested in putting in the effort for something like that. its selfish, yes.

what i WOULD like in this thread, and i DID make it/set the rules, would be for people to either make an ORIGINAL piece to suit the topic, or have one ready.

the winner of round one broke a rule: her entry is not original; its based on another photo that is altered.

does no one see anything wrong with that?

 

[wesmdow]

honestly, if you all want an editing contest, then someone else take over, because i thought itd be cool to have a classic art competition.

if youd just go along with me, and post your shit where it belongs (every entry i dont approve of fits into another contests guidelings...), then we could have fun comparing our art.

and ill reiterate: digital art is ok. it must be ORIGINAL. that means NO EDITED PHOTOS.

is that too much to ask?

 

[wesmdow]

seriously pierre remember when i was watching time-lapses of people creating things in photoshop? i was watching 6 hours of creation from scratch, no photos, no basis to start....

that is allowed in the 2-d art thread. the entries i dont like are simply edited photos.

i say just make your forum the physical medium thread and mine will be the digital medium thread, then there is the photography thread...

mine will allow things made from scratch OR edited photos, then mazdans can be the straight up photo editing competition.. 4 comps covering all bases of art.. sound fair? now lets end this petty arguing

i dont see what all the fuss is about. thats why we have 4.

its because i said photoshop wasnt a medium. it CAN be. in every case (except ego loss's.... and thats even debatable: a few filters and some paintbrushing) though, people didnt submit original work. if im not the judge of that, then who is?

the votes obviously point to sexy women, barely edited. so i guess you guys just dont want a classic 2-d art thread then?

i want a thread devoted to tangible art. basically anything but photos. can we agree to that?

if not, someone else take over... or ill let this one die. i have totally lost the passion for this. i want to see what people can draw, (and yea i scrolled thru the show your art thread), paint, create digitally (NOTE CREATE), or w/e else that doesnt come directly from a real-life image.

btw i love photoshop and am working on something for bM's thread.

 

[wesmdow]

Again, you asked for 2-d art, which includes any medium. If you're going to pick and choose what you want based on your own preferences this isn't going to manifest into anything positive.

may i refer you to the rules of sillyaliens photograph thread?

seems like he just kinda picked and chose what was fair and wasnt...

also, look at round 2. its doing MUCH better, i think, than the first.

i will rewrite the rules ONE MORE TIME before i give up. ill start a new thread for it.

 

[wesmdow]

OK, what does everyone think of THIS NEW SET OF RULES for 2d art contest?

first, the title will now read "bluelight weekly hand-made 2-d art contest"

1. Any image or variation of said image which has been previously submitted for one of the contest rounds cannot be used in subsequent rounds of the contest.

2. images must be your original work and that has never been copyrighted or, if copyrighted, that you are the sole copyright owner of.

3. Only one entry per contest, unless you are disqualified. you may enter another again, should you enter something unacceptable.

4. any medium is acceptable, so long as the work is original and not edited. photos, of course are not allowed, no matter the degree to which theyre edited.

5. images must be no wider than 700 and no higher than 700.

6. Deadline for entries is 12am central on the posted deadline date.

7. Voting ends at 12am central on the posted end date.

8. Post your images in the appropriate thread in the form of an image, not a link to click on.

9. tell us the medium used, and any other relevant info on your piece.

10. keep this fun; the idea is about classical art mediums. digital art is OK, however there is an entirely seperate thread for that. if you REALLY feel like your digial piece will work, submit it. youre allowed second chances, so not to worry.

11. no criticizm allowed, at all. id also prefer no brown nosing, but thats yalls choice, not mine.




please dont try and bend the rules, it just causes conflict. if you have questions, PM me.


does this sound fair to everyone as the new set of rules for "the bluelight 2-d art contest?"


i want to highlight a certain aspect of that community--similarly to how the photo thread highlights photographers, id like this to highlight painters and the like. suff considered classical.

if you get your hands dirty working, its almost a guaranteed safe bet. if theres a camera involved in anything but documentation, then its almost guaranteed to be out.


should i drop the old one and start anew?

id like to keep going because people have put effort into this, other than myself, but if the changes are too drastic, tell me. as i HAVE evidenced, this thread IS about the bl art community.

also bare in mind, i didnt realize that discriminating against a program was such a hot button... but again ill say it, ONE LAST TIME. photoshop is totally acceptable, so long as its original. that means edited photos are inelligable, no matter how edited they are. i want, and i dont see why this is selfish of me, a thread devoted to original artwork, created by hand. this my attempt at making that contest. if you dont like the rules, dont enter the contest.

sound fair? suggestions/comments/concerns?

 

[wesmdow]

back ON topic, what are peoples thoughts on anonymous image posting?

 

[wesmdow]

and please, lets not get hostile this time....

 

[MazDan]

lol. Umm you do realise that if I take a pic, any pic, and add just one dot to it........that pic becomes an original.

Moving or adjusting existing pics to create something new is much the same as moving pant on a canvas..........its still the same paint..........just re arranged.


I really dont see what all your carry on is about to be honest.

You allowed people to post there photoshopped pics in your first round but then tried to change the rules half way through.

You extended the deadline for yourself..........but would you then do that for everyone else? Of course not so you shouldnt have done it for yourself.

The first one is over and now I am reading bad sportsmanship from you because someone else won. Dont gibve me the crap about it wasnt in the spirit or the rules have were or are gunna be changed. It was entered under the rules at the time and won fair and square and the winner should be applauded not slain as you have done.

You admitted that you sent messages out to all your friends to get them to vote..........I mean thats just so sad irrelevant of what you say you said in the messages............Im surprised anyone bothers being involved anymore..........I certainly wouldnt.

So now you have moved on to the second round.........and you adjust your rules and then stick to them until the round is over.

If you want to change them again then do so for the next round.

Personally I dont think there is any need to include any photoshopped stuff in your competition at all..........those posters who want to display there wares already have somewhere to do it.

And I dont think anyone is trying to force you to include them.

What people are upset about is the way you have handled yourself and the way you have treated people.

Now please...........just chill out bro.

If you want to change your rules do it..........for the next round ok. There is no need to have discussion about it..........you will get 20 thousand diferent responses.........just make your rules stick to them and sit back and enjoy.

 

[wesmdow]

fuck it. im not arguing. {edit} cant resist.

ive been trying to say all along that theres a thread for photoshop and a thread for real world art, THATS IT.

i did not extend the deadline for myself, that was more of a joke. i had work--6 shifts in a row at 2 new jobs, and really didnt have time to do it untill the time i did.

i changed the rules because i am learning how to do this on the fly. the first ones didnt get the results i was aiming for, so i changed them. there was obviously miscommunication. if your thread doesnt work out due to something being unclear, wouldnt YOU change your rules so as to make it better?

sorry youre detecting bad sportsmanship, and sorry you dont want to participate. i legitimately think that NOT ONLY chrissie, whom ive stated COUNTLESS times that i liked, but that dark eye character, and ego loss, upon retrospect didnt even follow the ORIGINAL guidelines. i obviously wasnt clear enough, so i changed them, which apparantly is a big deal....? i am just trying to clarify.. not put anyone down.

i dont understand this hostility towards me, especially from you, and ego loss. but its w/e. you dont like me. big fucking deal. dont vote in my thread if it makes you happy--report me if makes you happy. obviously reaching an agreement doesnt.

btw, look up the definition of editing and youll find you are very wrong.

 

[wesmdow]

lol. Umm you do realise that if I take a pic, any pic, and add just one dot to it........that pic becomes an original.

Moving or adjusting existing pics to create something new is much the same as moving pant on a canvas..........its still the same paint..........just re arranged.

um. thats an insult to painters. it takes SKILL to do so. you can break anything down like that, but it isnt a legit argument.

"all food is the same, it breaks down into subatomic particles that are just arranged differently"


see how stupid that sounds? it may be true... but its insulting.

And I dont think anyone is trying to force you to include them.

the thread is right there. read it. sillyalien, questioneverything, and ego_loss, to name a few. maybe look a bit harder.

and you know what? talking down to me only makes me irate, especially when its full of shit. people dont like my reactions because im honest. my honesty leads to my being insulted, and then i lose it. its pretty simple.

i dont think photoshop is as "legit" as slab work with clay, or even drawing with pastels. this opinion warrants insults? i HAPPENED to make the freakin thread. ANNNNNNND theres another designed specifically for them and the 'pseudo art' of photo editing. its just MY opinion.

i think some OTHER people need to chill.

 

[wesmdow]

and omfg, i specifically told them to vote for who they thought was best.

the poll CLEARLY indicates, as did their respective responses, that i didnt go out and get people to vote for ME.

i just wanted people to vote. how the fuck is that sad?

art is important to me and a big part of MY life, so something like this has relevance. id like my friends input.

the fact that you interpret most everything i do or say as entirely selfish... well... i think it says something about YOU.

ask euphoricnod if i told him to vote for me.

ask hayzzzz

ask mrRoboTripper

i said "<link> vote for the one YOU think is best"

thats all. if you think thats sad?

[edited]

 

[SA]

merged! please do not open new threads for every new thought on this.

 

[rm-rf]

2d is so 30,000 BC...