Opidopecake, after joining BL and hear your experiences, I believe I took H off my mind.
It seems that I have a lot to lose. As you said yourself, family, money and the feeling that nothing is the same anymore.
I gave up the idea. I´m on methadone and suffer because of the lack of independence. Always try to catch I break.
Thanks for sharing.
I think the only way is what you said, stopping for several days. I've taken methadone at those dosages, but never for a period of time greater than 10-14 days (pills) and not exactly that dosage, just a pill whenever I felt like it. I've never taken methadone constantly as loperamide is cheap, works just as well at stopping withdrawals, and I don't have to pay money daily and wake up early and drive somewhere just so I don't feel like shit. Besides, since I particularly like the high that methadone produces (though it seemed to diminish with time, like after a year or two of taking it for 1-2 weeks once a month) I'd be too tempted to bump up the dosage until it could go no higher and then I would be really quite fucked. Since loperamide lacks any high, feelings of well-being or euphoria there is no temptation to get high. It raises your tolerance but since it lacks those positive qualities it is easy to taper with. I lack any sources for pills now, and am done with the gross ass smelling BTH (tar). When I finally taper with lope I may buy a half gram or something, but I can't live with myself shelling out a couple bills for 3 grams only to get high for a 3-4 days. The financial loss is emotionally draining, and the high it produces usually upset my stomach and made me nauseous completely unlike the nausea from too much opioids. I believe the cut was some garbage stuff that just made shit horrible, I was plugging it to which usually has less stomach issues than other ROAs.
Usually, at those lower doses (70-90 mg in non-chronic usage, but 10+days) I could get high the next day, but other times I noticed that it blocked any euphoria for several days even with similar dosages - the variable may have been the number of days I took it, but I was under the impression that the difference in blood plasma after 7 days was negligible compared to 10. I know this because I got oxycodone with the methadone and would save 150-200 mgs and this was roxis.
I do have one roxi left which I'm saving for the day that I can feel it, I feel I'll have to be at doses of loperamide of like 4-6mgs for a few months before that is at all a possibility.
What's crazy about the loperamide since I started writing it down, is I don't seem to take an exact dosage daily the doses go like this in order: 52, 20, 88, 38, 82, 20, 72, 48 (in milligrams). They jump from high to low to high to low over and over again. I only took them when I experienced lacrimation which seems to be the main symptom leading to the body aches and cold sweats/overheating.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.2165/00003495-197815010-00003lolwhatzdrugs - your lope doses vary because it has a long half life - I can't remember offhand but closer to 2 days than 1 - hence you don't really get sick after a day. Try dosing every other day, otherwise you end up building it up in your system, as you would bupe.
Pharmacokinetic studies: Peak plasma levels occur within 4 hours after administration and the plasma half-life in man is 7 to 15 hours. 25 % of an oral dose is excreted in the faeces unchanged in 3 days, and 1 to 2 % in the urine as free drug or glucuronic acid conjugate. Biliary elimination is an important route of excretion in rats but this has not been studied in man.
Thanks for sharing. No, definitely not more than 600 mg, since I can already predict that nothing is going to happen.
I believe the best I can do right now is to keep trying to lower my Methadone dosage to get some independence.
It has been so long since I got a decent high. And, to my great surprise, it came through 3-4 dosages of IV Demerol 50 mg some while ago.
2 hours in between dosages. For 2 weeks I was in heaven. Really great warmth and the best high I´ve experienced in many years.
I think it was due to the Meperidina or something like this. 2 ml of IV Demerol (50 mg) each dose with 1 ml of water.
I haven´t tried H, as everyone says I would not feel the rush, being on ´done and all.
Have tried Fentanyl on patches (Durogesic), up to 125 but all I got was a great nod. But it was very difficult to let it go, and actually not at all I good idea if you one is on Methadone, since you get two addictions and both very hard to treat.
When you mentioned BTH (tar) you referred to the brownish H right, being snorted I guess.
I suppose I would have to be off methadone for 48 hours, or at least to a very minimal dosage to feel something.
I guess I was not very lucky with H
You can't unring the bell.I have recently just tried Heroin, originally was a heavy ice n GHB user, however felt like I couldn't survive with not knowing how H feels.. If your an addict - don't do it, but if your like me, i guess know one can stop you.. I used almost everyday last week n lucky just made it without copping withdrawals.. But I've not been able to stop thinking about it since then.. It all depends what your into, if you love party drugs n uppers, you might not like it.. Make sure you never use alone n of course use clean needles n spoons.. I started on 1/2 point which smashed me then 2 days later 1 point.. The vomiting is intense, so be ready.. If you have a friend who uses, it's really nice to just cuddle into them n be completely smashed.. Make sure you don't mix any benzo, alcohol with it the first time... If you are an addict n the obsession to try it, is that crippling to try it, please don't!!! I really don't know what I've gotten myself into, all because I felt like I missed out... When really its not that exciting sitting on a couch days on end.. Good luck, plz use with some who knows what there doing.. Xx
I have no experience of tar. Just found it a little difficult to imagine dissolving that to shoot up.
I have recently just tried Heroin, originally was a heavy ice n GHB user, however felt like I couldn't survive with not knowing how H feels.. If your an addict - don't do it, but if your like me, i guess know one can stop you.. I used almost everyday last week n lucky just made it without copping withdrawals.. But I've not been able to stop thinking about it since then.. It all depends what your into, if you love party drugs n uppers, you might not like it.. Make sure you never use alone n of course use clean needles n spoons.. I started on 1/2 point which smashed me then 2 days later 1 point.. The vomiting is intense, so be ready.. If you have a friend who uses, it's really nice to just cuddle into them n be completely smashed.. Make sure you don't mix any benzo, alcohol with it the first time... If you are an addict n the obsession to try it, is that crippling to try it, please don't!!! I really don't know what I've gotten myself into, all because I felt like I missed out... When really its not that exciting sitting on a couch days on end.. Good luck, plz use with some who knows what there doing.. Xx
Presumably if you want to try heroin, you have experience with opiates in pill form - hydrocodone/oxycodone, either mixed with APAP in 5 or 10mg pills or maybe you've been lucky enough to get ahold of some instant release oxycodone pills that you crushed and snorted.
If you think there will be a huge difference in the high between heroin and these other opiates, you're wrong. If you've never done anything IV before the rush is certainly interesting, and you can definitely get more fucked up because you don't have to worry about tylenol in your stomach, but at its core the high is the same. Trying heroin for the high is not really a valid reason - just get some good pain pills.
If you are already addicted to opiates in pill form and are looking to heroin for monetary reasons, then it may arguably make sense, if you aren't ready for maintenance or ready to quit. In other words, if you are already badly strung out and have no interest in stopping. Heroin will definitely save you money in the short term. In the long term I've usually just gotten a much worse habit and ultimately ended up spending almost as much on dope as I spent on pills.
Personal history - I got into heroin with a group of roughly 8-9 close friends (there were others, but the core group was around 9 people). All of us had used oxycontin, back when you could crush and snort/inject it, prior to trying heroin. Only one of the group had ever injected anything (oxycontin) prior to heroin. Of the 9 people, whose addiction started roughly equivalent with HS graduation in ~2000, two of them are dead (one from IV heroin overdose, one from IV cocaine overdose), two are active IV heroin addicts now (and life is not good for them), two people, including myself, are on maintenance programs (I'm on methadone, a friend is on subutex), one person is now entirely clean of all drugs, and the other two people were able to try heroin and "chip" a few times every now and then without getting addicted, although I don't think they used more than a handful of times.
These are bad statistics.
Switching to heroin to save money is the mistake I made, having a roughly 80-120mg/day oxycodone habit at the time. As I said, I am on methadone now, for the past several years, and while it keeps me clean (from heroin) and able to hold a job and live a relatively normal life, its still a horrible burden and I wish I had been able to stay clean after a heroin detox. I wish I'd never tried heroin!