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Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

I didn't know so many people care that much what other people think of them! I've always been so against judging people, mainly cause I could care a less what people say... I dnt know if I wood take back the first time I shot heroin... I went from not doing it, to shooting up everyday, and I still enjoy it .... Wouldn't recommend it if you haven't done it.... But will say this, it's amazing
 
Please do not take this post the wrong way.

I am in no way trying to encourage ANYONE to try heroin, but am merely trying to explain why I have thought about trying it in the past and may still try it later on (still haven't done son).

The only reason I have thought about trying heroin is for random incidents of treating severe chronic pain. I've never been super crazy of the opioid high and when looking to have fun have always looked towards different options.

I know most of you probably think, "why the hell would you want to try heroin solely for pain relief? It's a it overkill."

Tolerance is this big of an issue for me though. I don't even notice any substantial difference when they give me 8mg of IV morphine in the ER and 4mg of IV hydromorphone will typically bring me down from an 8 to a 7, and in January I made at attempt on my life by swallowing ~700mg of hydrocodone along with ~100mg (about equivalent to 70mg of alprazolam) of estazolam (a triazolo benzodiazepine hypnotic with a long half-life) . I was found by authorities 2 hours later, still trying to get away from them, completely lucid, and still experiencing pain; I was only given 1mg of naloxone which didn't counteract hardly any of the opiods in my system, I was pretty much sober for the entire experience, and I didn't sleep that entire night. The only thing that put me in danger was amount of APAP I had injested - I wasn't having any issues with respiratory depression.

Once again, I'm not saying trying heroin is a great idea, but it would be nice to have some affordable pain relief from time to time.

Perhaps it is because I haven't tried it first hand, but I don't see much difference in shooting morphine diacetate from shooting morphine sulfate or dihydromorphinone for pain relief when you factor in my tolerance. The only downfall I see is that in the US, it wouldn't be of pharmaceutical quality.
 
^The last thing you said is one of the major problems:

You never know the exact dose of heroin you're taking...o

Opiates rapidly produce tolerance, that's one of the main reasons they're usually not prescribed long-term...You would rapidly adjust to heroin the same as you would anything else, and what seemed like a good idea will rapidly turn into a $100 a day just to "stay well"...and heroin withdrawals are particularly horrendous!

Also, once you get dependent on an even moderate amount of heroin, no amount of prescribed opiates you get from any sane doctor will be enough for you anymore, and you'll be stuck with heroin!

I know you feel like you're caught between a rock and a hard place with your tolerance and all, but heroin will just eventually dig you an even deeper hole!

So once again...Theoretically, what you're talking about sounds like a rational idea, but in practice, it usually doesn't go as intended for people in your position!
 
I currently have no regular income, and I CAN'T fuck around with drugs long-term anymore because of having to go to so many medical doctors, so that in itself would deter me from gaining a dependence. And while I've never had to kick heroin, I've had to kick buprenorphine and clonazepam at the same time...and alprazolam, pregabalin, and butalbital all at once at a different time, so I'm no stranger to hellish detoxes lol.
 
^Ya know, some people in your position opt for methadone...You know what you're getting. They'll raise you pretty much as high as you need to go...and not combined with anything else, it's pretty safe....It's cheap!

Some people who have legitimate pain issues find it easier than all the pill drama...as far as effectiveness goes, it depends on the individual..

Edit: When I say methadone is safe, I'm talking about a steady, daily prescribed dose that you've been titrated up to over a period of time under the auspices of a legit clinic/doctor...Methadone can be lethal without a opioid tolerance/in high doses
 
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^The last thing you said is one of the major problems:

You never know the exact dose of heroin you're taking...o

Opiates rapidly produce tolerance, that's one of the main reasons they're usually not prescribed long-term...You would rapidly adjust to heroin the same as you would anything else, and what seemed like a good idea will rapidly turn into a $100 a day just to "stay well"...and heroin withdrawals are particularly horrendous!

Also, once you get dependent on an even moderate amount of heroin, no amount of prescribed opiates you get from any sane doctor will be enough for you anymore, and you'll be stuck with heroin!

I know you feel like you're caught between a rock and a hard place with your tolerance and all, but heroin will just eventually dig you an even deeper hole!

So once again...Theoretically, what you're talking about sounds like a rational idea, but in practice, it usually doesn't go as intended for people in your position!

I'm lucky enough to have a dr who is not "sane" then ;). SO switching back to high dose oxy isn't a problem. I guarantee most of u tolerant junkies would get better than well from 3 old school OC 80s chewed on an empty stomach.

But my oxy tolerance is a subject for a different thread.

Both heroin and oxy (however benign some tv shows and celebrities taking it make it seem) will fuck you so hard in a few years you'll need stitches in double digits.
 
Reporting back on my first heroin experiment. Dosage 1-2 mg. Frequency 1-5 times a day typically 1-3 hours between each bump. Effects are minimal, hardly noticable but definitely present. I notice a lack of anxiety and a calmer mood. No come down just a slight increase in anxiety as I return back to base line. Absolutely thrilled to have this experience and definitely want to continue using heroin this way as it improves my performance by keeping me calm and actually works as expected on my concentration. I am able to concentrate better because I don't feel so shitty and depressed. In layman terms I guess I would say its just enough to take the edge off without any side effects. There is absolutely no euphoria or pleasurable effects at this dosage.
 
Reporting back on my last heroin experiment. Dosage what ever I can afford to IV after begging/stealing or conning people for money. Frequency not enough to not be horribly sick for half the day. Effects are negligible, couldn't get high if I tried. I notice I am no longer expelling liquids from every orifice, my muscles, nerves and bones aren't painfully revolting against every breath and I no longer feel the need to claw my door in a feeble attempt to escape the miserable existence that is my hellish life. I am starting to get sick and I must start scheming because I will be returning to hell in a while. Using heroin was the absolute worst decision I ever made. I am disgusted with the person I have become and I wish I hadn't continued using heroin to enhance my everyday life because now I don't have anything resembling one. I can't concentrate on anything but heroin because I always feel shitty and depressed. In layman terms I guess every dose is just enough to give me a small glimpse of normalcy for an hour while slowly stealing my soul and will to live. There is absolutely no euphoria or pleasurable effects at any dosage........ Damn I shouldn't have taken heroin on a semi regular basis to improve my concentration and job performance. I am now a nervous wreck and can't concentrate on anything but procuring money to score, scoring and using heroin.
 
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Personally, I think it can be a bad idea to even try codeine.. I think if anyone sits down,
and has a good hard look at there life and what there life would be like with such an opiate addiction,
they'll realise that using heroin is a terrible idea, don't try this drug..
 
Why do heroin when you have dank bud everywhere? Why take xanax when you have dank bud everywhere? Why drink alcohol when you have dank bud everywhere?

I've done heroin on and off for the past couple years and finally stopped it. It is my least favorite drug: Addictive, expensive, and gives no euphoria after you do it a couple of times. And it's only after a couple of times using it that the addiction begins and your bank breaks.

Your future story, should you try it: It's great at first if you have a good connect. Really great; like no other drug. You had no idea you could feel this way; it's new, secretive and social; like the first time you had sex. Unlike sex, however, that initial incredible euphoria only happens the first time you do it. Then, the next 100-10,000+ times you use it (only 100 in my case, thank the universe) you think "why the fuck did I spend all my money on this drug to make me feel normal when I used to be able to get a 20 sack of weed and get epicly stoned for the entire weekend"? Then you realize three hours have gone by since your last shot, but - dammit - no way can you stick another needle in the common vein in your right arm. So, off you go to the kitchen or bathroom to run extremely hot water over either arm for a good 5 minutes to try and make those veins on the top of the arm come up. After some time, you quickly dry your arm off, swab it, and proceed to miss 8-9 times before finally registering. You begin injecting the shot, but your hand is shaking so much from the anxiety over missing that you accidentally push the needle in too far halfway through the injection. Because you were injecting quickly in a feeble attempt to get a rush, as well as being on dope already, half the shot goes into the muscle on the top of your arm. You think, "fucking dammit, now I won't get a rush from all that dope". You've missed shots before, of course, and aren't too concerned; but the following morning, when that miss is red and swollen, you get concerned. Two days later you have no nerve function in the top of your arm at all. "Weird", you think, and quickly go on Bluelight.org to try and see if people can explain why this is happening.

To your despair, no one has had nerve function fail because of a missed shot. You were forced to plug your dose that morning because of what you did the night before, but it just wasn't the same. You seriously debate injecting into your neck, penis or foot (edit: guys yes you can actually inject into your erect penis, never done it though); all of which sound downright awful. You consider asking people on Bluelight what you should do but then delete the draft post because asking people if IV'ing into your penis gives a better rush than shooting in your ass might come off a little strange.

You can't use your left arm any more as that vein collapsed weeks ago. Seriously, when you went to the hospital for an STD test the nurse was like "why is there only a vein available in your right arm?" Well, she thinks that and assumes the obvious but doesn't actually say anything. Finally, you get the courage to try to inject into the top of your other arm. This time you take a bath to make *sure* all the veins are up as much as possible. This shot works, and you don't get a rush or feel "high" - but you do feel normal, just like the days when you had never tried heroin in the first place.

You have been using for three months. How will you look in three years? Thirty years?

No thanks, I'm going to stick with my dank, California top-shelf hybrid marijuana strains that I get an ounce of for what I used to pay for a bundle (aka day's worth) of heroin. You can choose to walk the path I did, or to simply smoke more weed... it's your life.
 
Personally, I think it can be a bad idea to even try codeine.. I think if anyone sits down,
and has a good hard look at there life and what there life would be like with such an opiate addiction,
they'll realise that using heroin is a terrible idea, don't try this drug..

QFT

Don't take opiods unless u have genuine pain or are very disciplined with other highly addictive drugs, if u can be disciplined with coke and crack (as in have it in ur possession take a line or a blast and forget about it - know ppl like this, sure aint me though) u can prob chip with some opiates imo.

Wouldn't ever start at H though. Work ur way up the opiate ladder if u must.
 
Yes I can say it is different from other opiates. Its instant. And the stigma attached to it is difficult to steer away from. That's one main reason I started. I thought(stupidly) it can be controlled. Almost impossible!
 
Its choice. If you choose to try it then your a fool. Ok you never got addicted to it the first time. But playing with fire...eventually you will be burned.

I have to admit that there are very few ppl can control an addiction of this degree..in 5yrs I think I onlyknew 1 person who had a somewhat controlled life using HR. Drug mentor is correctly stating facts. Its the devil's work is HR
 
I remember the reason I started doing heroin. I was 17 and was hooked on oxycontin and ohter pills. The problem was all my dealers were very unreliable, they didn't always have it when I wanted. That wasn't a problem in the beginning when I was only using opiates once or twice a week, but as soon as I developed a habit and withdrawals came into the picture that was all she wrote. Considering I live near Detroit, it was just easier for me to do dope, it was ALWAYS available and it seemed to be cheaper in the beginning (didn't last that long). Basically when you do 2-3 80's a day everyday for 3 months and one day your dealers phone stops ringing, you panic and call up that one kid who you know does dope and that's how it begins. At least that's what it began for me.

10 years later, numerous restuarant jobs, moving to florida than back to MI than back to Fl and now back to MI, my life hasn't really moved forward. It hasn't gotten as bad as other dogheads that I knew, like prison time or even any lengthy jail sentences ( 90 days one time and 30 days another), nor have I had any OD's, hell I've even avoided being dope sick for the most part (thank you suboxone) but I wish I never got started. For me now though, I can't stay stopped longer than 4-5 months.
 
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