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Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

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Yeah usually it is much too intense and they just puke their guts out and sleep for 2 days. It's not very common for someone to just jump right to heroin, but I have actually seen it happen a few times. One case in particular that sticks out, was my ex girlfriend. She was this beautiful, sweet, innocent thing.. who'd never done anything besides weed. Then she met this ass hole club promoter, who was a dope fiend, and he turned her out onto the dope, and immediately onto the needle as well. Within 6 months, she was completely destroyed.
 
Ive tried heroin a few times, but in severely moderated doses through iv. I liked it but definitely not enough to continue. In all honesty, Im glad I ran across this thread bc I still hadnt really asked why I was doing it. I guess i fell under the "its just another opiate" category. thanks though.
 
If you are thinking of trying H, I can say that there is nothing, nothing at all glamorous about dope. I personally have not tried H specifically (For me it was Oxy's, Hydro's, Methadone, Morphine, Fentanyl and Suboxone) but never H itself because it's not available in my little city, but if I wanted it.. I could have found it I am less then an hour away from Detroit/Windsor.

For a lot of people including myself, you end up a dope fiend needing a fix every 6-8 hours within months of starting use of hard opiates. Just so you can nod off for a bit then try and think of a way to get the next one, to keep withdrawals away, which is something that if you haven't pushed to psychical dependance, chances are you don't know much of what your in for as far as the pain of coming off dope goes.

I used to be that guy just 4 years ago now saying how Oxy would make me nauseous and stuff, even to the point that I thought for sure maybe I was allergic or I just couldn't tolerate it. Here I am 4 years later, 26 yrs of age. Ive spent 2 years on Methadone, quit that cold, now I am on Suboxone.. again, after trying to quit that cold turkey, I can't get past the sickness the chills after a few month's it always takes it's toll on me.. all because I messed around with some Oxy pills.

Everybody is different, but personally, I went from the Percocet/Vicodin making me nauseous zone, to the being a dope fiend zone, with larger doses.. within a matter of weeks. I would have never guessed, it can happen to anybody.

I lost my car, my job, and I am still on Suboxone tapering trying to get my shit together. I can only imagine if H would have came to my town I could have easily made the switch and had a massive habit on my hands within a month. Although reading this post has made me more aware of keeping myself at bay of H, even if I were to happen to come in contact with the stuff in the future for whatever reason. I know for sure I don't want to try H, with that said, if I was off Suboxone and in the clear right now as far as withdrawals go, and someone put it in my face, I really am not sure if I would be able to say no because of the opiate addiction. Get Sick, do it again, that's the way it goes sometimes no matter how strong you think you can be with dope.

Before I messed around with a few oxy's, and fentanyl patches after being clean for some 3 months after methadone, I was just average person just drank beers smoke a J. The things Ive done..

I can only hope that people will stay away from H after reading all this, a trap many never break free.


Also one last thing, because I spent 2 years on methadone (top dose 65mg) and a bit of time on Suboxone. If I put in my time and get to a point 2-3 month's down the road where I am finally starting to feel half ass good again, one day of use or two, 3 days max, and I am screwed, I will be set back a lot, I will withdrawal to a certain extent, making it all the harder to get off in the end, prolonging the process.

Hopefully people will see this great thread and decide to not ever try H. Yea it is Diamorphine, strong opiate, another one, but has unimaginable addictive qualities because of price, availability, all the reasons posted above. Lost too many people where I am from , from the other dope , live in a small town, and there has been a good 15 people I heard of died in my town from a recent explosion in Fentanyl patches alone.
 
I am someone who started with IV Heroin use, without any previous experience with opiates. I'm 34 now but when I was 30 my only drug experience was limited to marijuana. At that time I had just graduated from college. I ended up entering into a relationship with a girl who had already been a daily H user for 4 years. The first day I was with her she shot me up. And that's how it began.

Growing up, all of my heroes were junkie musicians, authors, and movies about H. I thought it would be cool to live such a tragic and romantic life. What a fool I was. After that first time of my gf (now ex) injecting me, I right away began using every time she did. After two months of daily use I would experience WD if I tried to stop using and I continued to be a daily user for that first 6 months we were together. For the next 12 months I tried to stop using and eventually had to leave the relationship and move 500 miles back home to where I live now. Which also reflects the fact that junkie relationships cannot work! And within that first 6 months of using, every good thing in my life was destroyed (I'll spare you all the details, but I'm sure you guys know what I mean). The first 2 months of using, I depended on my gf to inject me, but she soon showed me how to inject myself, and I got really good at it, unfortunately...

Thanks to Suboxone I now have most of my life back and have an awesome job working as a middle school teacher. But I am forever stigmatized and certain people in my family will probably never look at me the same.

I still can't believe that I gave up everything for that drug, living in a tiny little trailer with no running water or electricity. And I actually thought I was in love with that girl, but I now know that it was the drug that kept me with her for so long (a year and a half). Really cool and glamorous, yeah...
 
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Wow you started using heroin at 30? That's really late in life to start messing with that.. No offense, but you'd think that at that age, being a mature adult, you would know just how dangerous and crazy doing something like that would be, and you would never do it. I mean, people starting out young.. it's not an excuse per se, but you can chalk up a large degree of it to being young and immature. I'd like to think that had I never done H before, and came across it as an adult, I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
 
^Ill find it and post it later, but I read an article that was about the average age people tried heroin, and up until ~2001, it was 27...Heroin is an old-school drug, and has had several different booms in popularity in the US...

The age is younger now, but not by that much...I'll find it and post it...
 
^That's the average, so if one person starts at 2 years old and the other person starts at 50, 26 years old is the average...

But the point of the article was that people used to start using heroin after they were already deep into other drugs, but how people are starting younger, and it was based on admissions data from rehabs and detoxes...

I'll find it, even though I hate people who they to base every argument they start on BL off some one-sided shady study article they found through a Google search...but, we're not arguing anyway!

I've noticed though, when it comes to basically any hard drug, a high percentage of users are a lot older, particularly with dope...but, I know you know that...

I tried it at 16, but didn't get into it until 20, and most of the older people I know started early 20s too...I was already locked up and almost dead within 18 months of trying the needle, and I definitely think it's a drug that kills a lot of users early on..
 
Believe me, I feel like the biggest fucking fool who's ever lived. Why did I did do it at such an older age? Well, I finished school at 29, couldn't get a job anywhere, not even McDonalds, ended up having to file Chap. 7 bankruptcy, got divorced, just everything was already getting bad and depressing the hell out of me. I was seriously contemplating ending my life...then I met that girl and dove head first into H. I didn't care about myself at all, I mean obviously if I was making that choice, to use H. And I was by no means sheltered as far as the effects that drugs can have. I grew up in a household where my father was an IV meth user, and because I saw what it did to him I never touched that drug. But as my life went to shit in the aforementioned ways, I just didn't care anymore by the point that I ended up getting into H.

Being disowned by most of my family and friends because of the fact that I became a drug addict has been a far greater loss than filing bankruptcy and getting divorced - at least I still had their love and respect then. I wish I had realized that and been thankful for what I did have and could've put things into perspective before giving up on life and running off to be with and become a junkie.

Now, after everything I experienced, I do care about myself for the first time in my life and have a completely different perspective on everything. It's a shame that I did what I did, but at the time I didn't care about what happened to me because I wanted to die.
 
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^ Where I am, small town of 40 000, people started using opiates young, there is 3 Methadone clinics in the area, I am 26 now and I know people I would say anywhere from 5 years older to 5 years younger then me got caught up in opiates in general hard, mostly because of Oxys, I know of 18 yr olds that are on Methadone. Heroin is around but only certain people use it around here, because of the stigma, people dying off Fentanyl patches and snorting/shooting pills, think they are better then people specifically on Heroin, they fail to realize the similarities between H and other strong opiates/opioids. The social stigma is unbelievable, I know for sure that if H would have came to my town on a bigger scale and was available, a whole bunch of these people would be on H. The social stigma is bad, nobody trusts me, even though throughout my addiction I never stole or took a penny from anyone. Even going into the Shopper's pharmacy to get my Suboxone, yea.. when I go there all the "normal" people get served first then I will get my pill. It's very noticeable how people treat you differently I find after being addicted. Other then that I am on just 6mg of Suboxone and am feeling fine.

Also after everything I have experienced myself, wanting to die, almost dying more then once, a fentanyl OD and a serious no jokes suicide were the two times that stick out the most, I also do care about myself and know myself better then ever, have a different perspective on the world. I don't judge, I just want to help other people from going down that road.
 
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Also in my few times being to Windsor Detox, all of the older mostly alcoholic people detoxing I remember them looking at us young guys (age 18-27 mostly and up to 30+) I remember them kind of being in disbelief of all the young people addicted to H or other opiates like Dilaudid, Patches and Oxys.
 
why in the world does everyone want to jump from NO opiates to HEROIN?! seriously?? i cannot imagine a life without opiates, but i HAVE to manage what i take (i'm not saying i've NEVER abused my prescription(s), because i have) but i have endometriosis & i am in serious, real pain when i don't have lortab or percocet. i've tried every other non-narcotic med for pain & i am very fortunate that my doctor was willing to go this route. i won't ever make the jump to heroin because i know when/if i do, the pills won't work anymore & i will not put my body in that situation. i have read too many of mr. scagnattie's & everyone else's posts to ever even fool myself into thinking i could try it & go back to pills.

please just... if you're thinking about trying heroin & you have little/no tolerance... play the END of the romantic movie you have going on in your head about the drug. how does it end? where do you end?

& to the guy who said he needs heroin because he doesn't have a lover who cares-- really, man? it's called a breakup. the solution is to find someONE new, not someTHING. not heroin.

/endrant
 
I wish I grew up in Elk River, Idaho because I never had it in my mind to seek out heroin but some things just led to another and it was a nice change of pace from getting stoned all the time. I tried it when I was 18 but didnt really mess with it a lot until after I graduated high school. I guess I got tired of the generic social setting involving marijuana and preferred something more... independent. I still smoked a lot of weed, just needed a lot less for just myself.

I really dont feel bad about any of my drug use in all honesty though. Its hasnt opened any doors for me or anything but im also not really pulling on too many handles. I have the same logic and outlook on life I always did, the only thing that is different is that now my family knows I take mad drugs because I tried to be honest about shit but it actually would have been better if I just kept lying about it

and people wonder why addicts lie about shit, because its fucking easier. Im not a criminal, I just like to get high man

never going to feel bad about that
 
i think this thread is pretty pessimistic and in bad taste, it is written from the perspective of like a NA meeting.

i have tried heroin. did it ruin my life? not at all, I did it, it felt great. that was that. would i do it again? yea, sure, when the circumstances are right, im not going to go out of my way to score dope though.

if you are one of the people like me who can try things without becoming addicted and throwing your entire life into them, go for it.

if you get addicted to shit easily, heroin is probably not something you should try.


i have tried crack as well which is supposedly more addictive than heroin.

its a one time thing, would i do it again? probably not, i didn't find the crack high as enjoyable as an opiate high.




simple as that.

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^It's always the people that have your attitude that eventually fall the hardest...Okay, you tried heroin and crack a couple times in the midst of using other drugs, and now you have the whole thing figured out?..How old are you? Give things a few years to play out, and then you and your attitude problem can come back and give us an update!
 
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^It's always the people that have your attitude that eventually fall the hardest...Okay, you tried heroin and crack a couple times in the midst of using other drugs, and now you have the whole thing figured out?..How old are you? Give things a few years to play out, and then you and your attitude problem can come back and give us an update!
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^^This..... It took me four years of playing with heroin to pick up a habit. The high wasn't even what got me. I honestly think the MDMA high was better. I just happened to do heroin often enough to become physically dependent and then I found out what addiction is really all about. It is not that the high is so great that you just have to do it again the next day. I just slowly fell into it. Before I became physically dependent I felt the same way as DetroitEDM. I didn't understand addiction. I could take it or leave it. Then one day I woke up sick and it was a downward spiral from there. I have taken a lot of meth, crack and IV coke and none of them have come close to getting their claws in me like heroin but let them find out the hard way. They just think addiction is simply one liking a high so much that they have to immediately do it again. When in reality addiction is often a slow process that happens over time as the drug reprograms your brain into needing the chemical. Whether you love the drug or not each use will slowly change your brain chemistry until you find that you are an addict.
 
Its ok to do it once and a while but you might like it to much you will wanna do it more than once and a while so my answer I no, iv been on it for 5 months smoking it doesn't get me as high as I use to so I started using the needle and im one of those people that use to be scared of needles and here I am putting one into myself.. not a good idea buddy 9 out of 10 you will bang that shit. Im going to the methadone clinic tomorrow because I think I fucked up hard lol
 
I think the reason older people get caught up in heroin addiction is they don't think they will get hooked. I used pills for years everything from codeine to oxy and dilladid. I didn't have a habit so I just assumed if I wasn't hooked on the pills then what was the difference with heroin? I did meth, coke and crack and wasn't addicted to them either so I can't get addicted my willpower is stronger then that. It did take a few months to really get the heroin addiction going. I have been to detox/rehab suboxone and in and out of methadone clinics. I have come to believe I will probably be on maintinence for the rest of my life. I hope not but if that's what it takes then so be it that's what I'll have to do.
 
For about 3 years, I was taking Demerol (150 mg IM injections), 2 to 3 times/week, and Vicodin (8 tablets/day), for migraine headaches- when a doctor sent me to a methadone (maintenance) clinic in Los Angeles, where I got addicted to the methadone. I was addicted for 6 years, eventually reaching a dose of 215 mg/day. After spending 6 months incarcerated, and 1 1/2 years in residential drug rehab., I was able to stay clean for 5 years- but then I started taking Vicodin again, for stomach pain. My doctor put me on Subutex (buprenorphine), to help me to get off of the Vicodin. Now, I am addicted to the buprenorphine, and I am taking about 12-16 mg/day, and my addiction is driving me to seek something stronger- craving the euphoria, which I have had a taste of, in the past. Actually, I was satisfied with the buprenorphine that I was taking (Roxanne), but the pharmacy replaced that with a different brand (Hitech), and I do not feel the opiate effect, which I felt with the (Roxanne) buprenorphine. Now, I am seeking something which will provide the effect that I was getting from the original buprenorphine. I am not sure how to deal with this, having experienced the opiate effects of Demerol, Dilaudid, Fentanyl, Morphine, and other legally prescribed opiates. I hope that I can find some kind of stability- which I can live with. I would appreciate any thoughts on this.
 
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