EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

[placebonaut]

I remember the good old days when there was honor amongst thieves, people would be "sorted out" in an appropriate way for stepping out of line, and being "bang out of order" was the worst possible crime anyone could commit.

surely shitty customer service at least deserves a gentle knee capping?!

 

[Bleaney]

You have to remember you're dealing with the lowest echelon of a criminal organisation. A bit like relying on runners.

Yeah, good point!

 

[Bleaney]

I remember the good old days when there was honor amongst thieves, people would be "sorted out" in an appropriate way for stepping out of line, and being "bang out of order" was the worst possible crime anyone could commit.

surely shitty customer service at least deserves a gentle knee capping?!

I think this particular individual should be hung, drawn, and quartered.

Surely the sequence in which that death sentence is usually listed makes no sense though, as there's not much point 'drawing' and quartering someone, after they've already been hung!

 

[Shambles]

I think this particular individual should be hung, drawn, and quartered.

Surely the sequence in which that death sentence is usually listed makes no sense though, as there's not much point 'drawing' and quartering someone, after they've already been hung!

Fun fact: the hanging part was more of a dangling as you were simply strung up until near-death then cut down rather than being dropped at the end of a noose resulting in a broken neck.

Fun fact 2: you also generally got your junk sliced off but that doesn’t get a mention in the proceeding’s title.

Fun fact 3: hanging causes ejaculation in men.

 

[placebonaut]

Fun fact 3: hanging causes ejaculation in men.

 

[Bleaney]

Fun fact 3: hanging causes ejaculation in men.

Isn't that what happened to Michael Hutchence?

I read that he died playing some auto erotic sex game involving hanging, but presumably he didn't intend to actually go over, and presumably again, the pre-hanging, and potential extreme threat of death, must have given him some kind of sexual kick or thrill.

That's really quire something imho. There are plenty of drugs that can spice things up. He must have been through all of them and decided that auto erotic hanging was where it was at for him.

There must be a proper term for this particular fetish? Or kink? I don't know what it is.

 

[placebonaut]

Isn't that what happened to Michael Hutchence?

I read that he died playing some auto erotic sex game involving hanging, but presumably he didn't intend to actually go over, and presumably again, the pre-hanging, and potential extreme threat of death, must have given him some kind of sexual kick or thrill.

IIRC there are/were conflicting reports, he was suffering with depression and the other thought was suicide. not sure if there ever was a a real conclusion given he did it on his own

There must be a proper term for this particular fetish? Or kink? I don't know what it is.

Erotic (auto) asphyxiation

 

[Bleaney]

Hmm, the article or report I read seemed pretty sure that it was a case of Erotic auto asphyxiation, gone wrong. IIRC!

But I have just read that his death was officially recorded as suicide, and the autoerotic asphyxia murmurs, were just rumours.

A maid found him naked in a kneeling position, with a leather belt around his neck.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

@Zopiclone bandit nitrazepam / mogadon is just the same as any other benzo really - nothing special at all. Quite heavy though and a 'sleeper' imo/ime

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

@Zopiclone bandit nitrazepam / mogadon is just the same as any other benzo really - nothing special at all. Quite heavy though and a 'sleeper' imo/ime

NOT in my experience.
I got 20 10mg Mogadon & I'd NEVER touch them again!!!!

Mogadon have earned their RESPECT with me from hard learned lessons, I was warned by several on here to watch what I do BUT I knew better #smiles
I got my fingers burned, I could have made a fortune as I passed a few out to the local Junkie community & my phone didn't stop ringing for more but that is illegal & I didn't want some nasty Crack addict women who do tricks for rocks blowing up my phone & banging on my door at 3am off their head on cheap cider & crack asking for more pills.

Mogadon will without question knock you on your arse way more than Pre-gab imho.

 

[Bare_head]

Found nitrazepam similar in nature to temazepam tbh.

Always liked them for sleep but only sleep.

Then I began seeing the recreational side to temazepam when my mate sorted me some of his green temazepam linctus. He is wheelchair bound but by did I like a good 20mg of that stuff. Hit quicker too I found.


Etizolam was my main problem. Got up to around 7mg at my worst point. It just made me feel less anxious but the addiction was real.

Only similar drug I found to etiz was diaz but the half life of diaz can be a pain

I still get 70mg diaz scripted a month and tbh they are gone within 3 days. I hate rebound anxiety too.

They tried taking them off me but as im on the spectrum (late aspergers diagnos) I put my foot down and let them know I dont get addicted and only use when required...

Problem is I require them immediately

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Found nitrazepam similar in nature to temazepam tbh.

Always liked them for sleep but only sleep.

Exact same for me

I think Nitrazepam is my favourite for sleep though. 10mg Nitrazepam definitely gives me a longer sleep than 20mg Temazepam.

For context I've used benzo's for sleep approx once every 5 days for around 25 years

 

[Bleaney]

Exact same for me

I think Nitrazepam is my favourite for sleep though. 10mg Nitrazepam definitely gives me a longer sleep than 20mg Temazepam.

For context I've used benzo's for sleep approx once every 5 days for around 25 years

I think that the self discipline and self-control you've mentioned regarding a variety of substances is quite enviable tbh.

I think benzos are harder for me because it's like night and day the difference it makes to my social anxiety, and to me it doesn't make sense to torture myself with crippling anxiety and related issues, when immediate comfort and relief is so easily available.

I'm well aware of the cost in terms of dependence and fucking up my brains endogenous GABA etc, but in the short to mid term it feels worth it.

With other substances; pregabs, soma, GBL, Phenibut etc I have been able to moderate my use to a much greater extent for a variety of reasons. I certainly don't want 2 concurrent GABA addictions to have to deal with, plus my relationship with those 4 substances is far more recreational, as opposed to feeling I need them just to be able to exist in the social world with any degree of ease and comfort.

I set myself some rules for those substances, and have mostly stuck to them over the years.

I guess a comparable situation would be your use of stimulants, as I gather you're equally disciplined with using stimulants, at least modafinil and methylphenidate or Ritalin, despite you having severe ADHD, which is arguably a similar situation to the anxiety I'm dealing with, in terms of dealing with a brain that is out of whack! And I think my anxiety has become ingrained and entrenched due to having gone for decades with no diagnosis, and so not having any explanation that could have helped me make sense of things, and deal with them so much better.

Alas that was just not to be.

Plus I gather you've also stuck to the same kind of regime with occasional opium use. I hope you don't mind me posting all of this, but it is all stuff you've posted publicly, and I remember certain things that interest me. But I can amend my post if you're not happy with anything I've said.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

I think that the self discipline and self-control you've mentioned regarding a variety of substances is quite enviable tbh.

I think benzos are harder for me because it's like night and day the difference it makes to my social anxiety, and to me it doesn't make sense to torture myself with crippling anxiety and related issues, when immediate comfort and relief is so easily available.

I'm well aware of the cost in terms of dependence and fucking up my brains endogenous GABA etc, but in the short to mid term it feels worth it.

With other substances; pregabs, soma, GBL, Phenibut etc I have been able to moderate my use to a much greater extent for a variety of reasons. I certainly don't want 2 concurrent GABA addictions to have to deal with, plus my relationship with those 4 substances is far more recreational, as opposed to feeling I need them just to be able to exist in the social world with any degree of ease and comfort.

I set myself some rules for those substances, and have mostly stuck to them over the years.

I guess a comparable situation would be your use of stimulants, as I gather you're equally disciplined with using stimulants, at least modafinil and methylphenidate or Ritalin, despite you having severe ADHD, which is arguably a similar situation to the anxiety I'm dealing with, in terms of dealing with a brain that is out of whack! And I think my anxiety has become ingrained and entrenched due to having gone for decades with no diagnosis, and so not having any explanation that could have helped me make sense of things, and deal with them so much better.

Alas that was just not to be.

Plus I gather you've also stuck to the same kind of regime with occasional opium use. I hope you don't mind me posting all of this, but it is all stuff you've posted publicly, and I remember certain things that interest me. But I can amend my post if you're not happy with anything I've said.

Nothing to admire really mate, I have made some effort with it granted, but I think it's really just that the drugs I've managed to maintain an 'ok' relationship with are drugs that just didn't hit that certain spot in my particular psyche that makes resistance really difficult. I've also seen carnage from an early age so have always treated certain drug classes with extreme caution. Also some 'luck' too I reckon

If we were speaking about, say, stimulants (including nicotine) then that would look entirely different as have come close to total ruin on numerous occasions with that class of drugs, and have definitely caused myself some quite serious nharm with them. Whereas someone else could take it or leave it, I take stims and all moderation/self care is outta the window immediately. When I take small doses for concentration/focus I have to make sure I can't access anymore that day, or it's gonna get messy and at my age with the damage I've already done myself, the price I'd pay for the following week or so is a heavy one

As you say, benzo for you is self medicating, leaving you particularly vulnerable to them.

 

[placebonaut]

Nothing to admire really mate, I have made some effort with it granted, but I think it's really just that the drugs I've managed to maintain an 'ok' relationship with are drugs that just didn't hit that certain spot in my particular psyche that makes resistance really difficult. I've also seen carnage from an early age so have always treated certain drug classes with extreme caution. Also some 'luck' too I reckon

If we were speaking about, say, stimulants (including nicotine) then that would look entirely different as have come close to total ruin on numerous occasions with that class of drugs, and have definitely caused myself some quite serious nharm with them. Whereas someone else could take it or leave it, I take stims and all moderation/self care is outta the window immediately. When I take small doses for concentration/focus I have to make sure I can't access anymore that day, or it's gonna get messy and at my age with the damage I've already done myself, the price I'd pay for the following week or so is a heavy one

As you say, benzo for you is self medicating, leaving you particularly vulnerable to them.

very insightful and relatable.

i'm able to show great restraint with stims, can take them or leave them frankly. Alcohol is an issue though, as is gaba stacking...thank fuck I never got a real taste for benzos, being healthily afraid of them seems to have kept me safe!

honestly my biggest issue is that I hate not being fucked up, I just need a distraction from my own mind, that's not due to any real mental issues, though ffs I have enough of those but claiming so would just be an excuse, I mainly take things to calm down my overactive thinking, it's debilitating at times, numbing my brain works, it's a solution but a shitty one.

I need a new hobby, not sure drugs classes as a hobby?....though I've made a good attempt at it in the past 2 years.

urgh, I'm gonna go and cry into an omelette

 

[Didgital]

I cant feel any effects apart from not being in crippling withdrawal. Infact I feel more withdrawal than I do benzo effects and this is a good sign that my body is adjusting to having less benzos in my system.

You got this! Been there several times.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

I've been taking Sedil 5mg diazepam to help with my drinking.

Hasn't really helped the drinking all that much, but it doesn't come with an impulse to find hard drugs, unlike alprazolam and lorazepam.