Tooth Maintenance

[3 to the 3]

Best shit to buy is "Natural Dentist" mouthwash and toothpaste. You can opt in or out for flouride, and it is highly effective without all of the chemicals.

 

[PianoGrand]

My dentist told me Listerine aint good - too harsh on the teeth, in his opinion Oral B mouth wash was the best (but then he may have shares in Oral B?)

Hehe .

Is it just me or are electric toothbrushes piss weak? Personally, I've always found manual brushing to be far more effective, anyone agree?

 

[grugz]

Some dentists are colgate and some are oral b, I think it depends what freebees they get the most? But im sure they have patient best interest in mind

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ From my experience, usually yes it does depend on who throws the most cool, free stuff at them. Same as pharmacists; you'd be surprised how much free shit there is in the health industry being thrown around by pharmaceutical companies. Or maybe not.

But both brands are good for dental health anyway.

I read somewhere once that people brush too hard, and that the way you are meant to use a toothbrush is almost like a 'massage', and focusing on the gums. Anyone else heard this before?

 

[lostNfound]

I don't know tbh. I've used an electric tooth brush for the last 10 years or so and it does most of the work for me

 

[nolys]

google “flouride” and read a few pages folks, you will be surprised

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Don't you know public fluoridation is just a cover for the MAN to put brain washing chemicals into our drinking water?

In all seriousness though I've brushed twice a day (mostly) for all my life, occasionally use standard Listerine and my teeth are fine apart from the small chunks missing on the front ones from the time I wasn't careful getting out of the pool.

 

[nolys]

Flouride is one of the most poisonous substances on the earth + it actually causes dental flourosis. Exposing yourself to very low levels of strong poison over 70 years can't be good for a person

 

[grugz]

^ how long has water had fluride added? How many ppl have died because of it? Exposing yourself to small amounts of meth for many years isnt good for your health either. Throw this stupid fluride crap to a hippy forum b/c it doesnt have any value here, if you can stop them adding it to water supply/ go live in qld then so be it.

Anything in concentrated form is toxic, say if you ate a copper pipe it prolly mae u quite sick, but eating normal everyday vegies should give u that tiny amount the body requires

 

[Busty St Clare]

And yet the life expectancy of Melbournites (fluoridated for half century) is no different than Brisbane (only had fluoride for 2 years). The Man doesn't seem to be doing his job, perhaps he should try chem trails instead...


Our average expectant age is 80 odd years, if you want to live longer than that you are just being greedy (or wasting a lot of your life). I'd just be happy to eat a steak on my death bed than worry about pseudo science scaremongering.

 

[grugz]

Ban di hydrogen monoxide whilewe on this topic http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html#DANGERS

 

[nolys]

Fuck I had a bible wrote out there then accidently hit back on my blackberry...

 

[Sameria]

Flouride has a dodgy history. Do some digging and you'll see what I mean. I can't be bothered explaining it to those who do not care.

Simply comparing 2 cities life expectancy doesn't give you a very good idea of the toxicity of Flouride.

 

[Christ!]

^ Don't you know public fluoridation is just a cover for the MAN to put brain washing chemicals into our drinking water?

lol good one

In all seriousness though I've brushed twice a day (mostly) for all my life, occasionally use standard Listerine and my teeth are fine apart from the small chunks missing on the front ones from the time I wasn't careful getting out of the pool.

I've brushed my teeth twice a day and flossed since primary school and still have problems I think some people are just luckier than others, my Mum has had lots of problems with her teeth despite looking after them decently, my little brother rarely brushes his teeth and has never had a filling or any other dental problems.

These days I'm brushing 3 times a day, the second brushing of the day I try to time so it's after something sugary. I have a much better brushing action these days...turns out you just need to brush really lightly, just do it for long enough and cover every tooth and angle. Going to get an electric toothbrush soon, every dentist I've talked to has recommended them.

 

[grugz]

I think what im getting at is you cant avoid fluride in water. Its added and not much u can do to stop it. If you want to svoid it then drink bottled water, cook with bottled water and brush with bottled water and fluride free toothpaste. Its a endless arguement, similar to the war against drugs, govt isnt gona change its position.

 

[Busty St Clare]

Dont forget its in the bread you eat (made with tap water) and the beer you drink.

 

[Divine Moments]

God, people still get hung up on fluoridation? The subject is so full of hyperbole and pseudoscience it isn't funny. Or maybe it is... 8(

Flouride is one of the most poisonous substances on the earth

Bullshit. No it isn't.

Exposing yourself to very low levels of strong poison over 70 years can't be good for a person

"The dose makes the poison"

Anything is bad for you if you take too much - that doesn't mean taking a little will also be bad, regardless of how long for.

 

[footscrazy]

I went through a stage of brushing my teeth after every puff, but I actually have heard this is a bad idea because the acidic nature of the methamphetamine softens the enamel on the teeth, meaning it's more vulnerable to damage if you brush straight away.

 

[Mr Blonde]

Bullshit. No it isn't.

Well, technically it is a very poisonous substance. So is water though if you consume enough. Not to mention any of the trace elements that our bodies require; overdose on those and you could do some serious damage. It's all about the amount consumed.

I'm half and half on the fluoridation thing. I don't know why people are bringing up life expectancy because the point of adding it in isn't too extend our lives but rather put our teeth in better health. On the one hand, there is evidence showing that public water fluoridation does a lot for helping dental health. On the other hand, I believe people need to make their own decisions (and get their own lives in order) and take care of themselves. The Government's job shouldn't extend to this level of trying to take care of all of us like a nanny (I hate using that term now). They are here to run the country so that people have freedom to make their own choices and decisions. Of course this isn't how it works in real life.

And yet the life expectancy of Melbournites (fluoridated for half century) is no different than Brisbane (only had fluoride for 2 years). The Man doesn't seem to be doing his job, perhaps he should try chem trails instead...

Busty, you should know better. Chemtrails aren't meant to make us live longer, they are to make us all think in uniform so that we don't revolt against The Establishment.

 

[Divine Moments]

Well, technically it is a very poisonous substance. So is water though if you consume enough.

I'm not saying it isn't poisonous, but there are many substances more poisonous. A line like "Flouride is one of the most poisonous substances on the earth" is just empty hyperbole that a lot of people are too impressionable and lazy to disbelieve or disprove. It's essentially the same reasons I dislike pseudoscience - a lot of people will buy into that crap and believe it because it supposedly sounds intelligent. In a democratic society, or just about any non-totalitarian society really, the beliefs and views of the masses can have considerable impact on the rest of us.

I don't know why people are bringing up life expectancy because the point of adding it in isn't too extend our lives but rather put our teeth in better health.

Pretty sure Busty was using the life expectancy example to point out that there's no evidence that it significantly reduces life expectancy, rather than that it doesn't prolong it.

On the one hand, there is evidence showing that public water fluoridation does a lot for helping dental health. On the other hand, I believe people need to make their own decisions (and get their own lives in order) and take care of themselves. The Government's job shouldn't extend to this level of trying to take care of all of us like a nanny (I hate using that term now). They are here to run the country so that people have freedom to make their own choices and decisions. Of course this isn't how it works in real life.

That sounds like a pretty shitty argument against public health measures, no offence. I'm all for personal freedom and liberties, but I think sometimes, if it's backed up by scientific/medical evidence, paternalistic-type approaches like this are appropriate. Given the choice, how many people do you really think would go to the effort? You just need to look at areas where there are public health measures that can't be completely enforced (i.e. most of them) - people still drive under the influence, drive without seatbelts, spend hours in the sun unprotected, eat the most horrendous diets and don't exercise, and so on... Since all of these problems, like poor dental health, are associated with enormous costs to society and burden on the health system (along with the obvious personal impacts) I think the government is justified in doing it's bit to help.