Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[Pegasus]

dpatches, smoking fentanyl gel on bupe trying to break through is one of the most dangerous practices imaginable.

 

[Antecessor]

I don't notice a difference. It's pretty much established that the naloxone doesn't really do squat, since bupe has a higher affinity for the receptors than it. I've shot suboxone and felt the effects before, but if you're opiate tolerant bupe just isn't going to get you a good high.

I don't get why you are on suboxone AND subutex...that doesn't make any sense. Essentially they are the same drug (suboxone is just subutex with naloxone)

Well my experience is that there is a BIG HUGE difference between shooting soboxone and subutex, when you are trying to get high anyway. Both will have the effect of stopping withdrawals, but only subutex will give me a heroin like high.

That is my experience, its genuine, I do know what I am feeling and the difference between euphoria and no euphoria, and also I have noticed a number of others on bluelight reporting the same.

They are generally answered just as you have done, dismissal based on the dogma that naloxone is never active when suboxone is shot up.

Perhaps this is true for you.

IT IS NOT TRUE, for me and others.

I just want to know why?
I want to know why naloxone is active when I shoot suboxone, or what other explanation might cause this (placebo is ruled out as I shot suboxone before I even knew the difference)?


Just try to approach this question with an open mind and a genuine attempt at inquiry, like bluelight generally is (except on this subject).

As for my being dosed on both subutex and suboxone, I am in Australia, North Queensland, my total dose is 9.2 mg of bupe per day, the chemist says to me that they have no 0.4mg tabs in suboxone, only subutex.
Is that sufficient explanation?

 

[662]

how about *snip* that are getting off not banging shit between toes talk all day, just 5 minutes of normal talk, no dick sucking for smack and needles

 

[ONandOFF777]

I can’t resist asking what the last poster was trying to get at or what the intention of the post was.

I really try to only post when I feel that I have something genuine to add, and I hate to respond to posts that don’t have value or substance but I guess I am just curious…

662???

 

[Pegasus]

^I don't get it either, I'll leave it up though in case he wants to explain what he's talking about...

 

[DeLee]

dpatches, smoking fentanyl gel on bupe trying to break through is one of the most dangerous practices imaginable.

Yes I wanted to adress that also when I read his post. Not just smoking the fent but chewing the patches and putting on several at once trying
to break through is extremely dangerous and a lot of people OD that way. Just a warning to the younger crowd or those not that familiar with the these drugs and their potency.

 

[OEandricearoni]

Well my experience is that there is a BIG HUGE difference between shooting soboxone and subutex, when you are trying to get high anyway. Both will have the effect of stopping withdrawals, but only subutex will give me a heroin like high.

That is my experience, its genuine, I do know what I am feeling and the difference between euphoria and no euphoria, and also I have noticed a number of others on bluelight reporting the same.

They are generally answered just as you have done, dismissal based on the dogma that naloxone is never active when suboxone is shot up.

Perhaps this is true for you.

IT IS NOT TRUE, for me and others.

I just want to know why?
I want to know why naloxone is active when I shoot suboxone, or what other explanation might cause this (placebo is ruled out as I shot suboxone before I even knew the difference)?


Just try to approach this question with an open mind and a genuine attempt at inquiry, like bluelight generally is (except on this subject).

As for my being dosed on both subutex and suboxone, I am in Australia, North Queensland, my total dose is 9.2 mg of bupe per day, the chemist says to me that they have no 0.4mg tabs in suboxone, only subutex.
Is that sufficient explanation?

I don't know what to tell you man. I never had that problem. Most people report the naloxone not effecting them at all. If it is somehow preventing you from getting high, well, sucks to be you. There really isn't anything you can do about it.

As for what your prescribed...it still seems pointless. Why give you both suboxone and subutex when they could just give you one or the other? The chemist? You mean your doctor? Why would a chemist be prescribing you bupe *confused*

 

[Captain.Heroin]

There are more inactive ingredients in Suboxone than there are in Subutex.

I can guarantee the naloxone isn't messing anything up for you.

 

[cj]

A chemist is what they call pharmacists in europe.

 

[dpatches]

Yes I wanted to adress that also when I read his post. Not just smoking the fent but chewing the patches and putting on several at once trying
to break through is extremely dangerous and a lot of people OD that way. Just a warning to the younger crowd or those not that familiar with the these drugs and their potency.

Thanx for lookin out everyone. I'm not a novice opiate user though. Been doing them for 15 years or so now. As for the patches been doing them for a year and a half now and know the limit. Had way too many friends crossing that line and don't wanna join them.

As for smoking the fent I wasn't really looking for advice. Pretty much just stating a fact that it never did nothing for me. I've chased the dragon, and smoked oxy's and it just never did shit for me so I got no interest in it. Plus I got enough habits that involve smoking.

Not try to be a smart ass here just thankin everybody for the advice.%)

 

[Parker24]

Hey guys been snortng subbys for 4 years
normal subutex on its own but since they
changed the brands and ingrediants in them im a
bit werrey whether to snort them now i have the
reckitt benckiser brand 2mg purple box with
ingrediants of monohydrated lactose monnitol
maize starch povidone excipient k30 citric acid
sodium citrate and magensium stearate i
wondering if anybody has had experience in
snorting these all advice would be gratefull thanks

 

[Parker24]

Hey guys been snortng subbys for 4 years
normal subutex on its own but since they
changed the brands and ingrediants in them im a
bit werrey whether to snort them now i have the
reckitt benckiser brand 2mg purple box with
ingrediants of monohydrated lactose monnitol
maize starch povidone excipient k30 citric acid
sodium citrate and magensium stearate i
wondering if anybody has had experience in
snorting these all advice would be gratefull thanks

Someone help me out i want to snort now

 

[Pegasus]

^What do you mean "purple box"? It's just a 2mg Subutex you're describing unless I'm misunderstanding?

 

[OEandricearoni]

Hi, Can someone please answer me a question!! I'm freaking out!! I have my first sub appointment tomorrow with a new dr. tomorrow. I have mostly detoxted but last night i was feeling crappy and a friend gave me a few vicodins to help with my h withdrawl as was also on klonapin but finished that yesterday. My question is will the doc still rx me the sub? the last dr I went to would not rx it unless the drug test was neg for opiates! Anyone please have answers, I get paid tomorrow and dont want to go to the west side!!! but I dont want to pay $150 to not get the sub. I need to be clean for myself and son! Help please!

I know I'm like a week late replying to this, but it doesnt seem right that a sub doc wouldn't prescribe you because you failed the drug test for opiates....you SHOULD fail the drug test for opiates, since you are addicted to them. What does the doc expect you to do, detox for 3 days then come in? That kinda kills the whole point of starting the suboxone in the first place. Someone needs to facepalm this doctor.

I hope everything worked out for you. It really pisses me off when people have trouble getting a script for sub because of stupid reasons like this. Are you sure that the doctor wouldn't RX you the sub because you failed a drug test for benzos? That would make more sense. My doctor was pretty strict about benzo use with the subs and told me if i failed for benzos he wouldn't prescribe me suboxone, but i failed the first drug test he gave me for opiates (as anyone who is seeking help for OPIATE ADDICTION would) and he rx'd me anyway. IDK man, this doesn't make sense to me.

 

[wcote]

I was quite happily prescribed benzos with Subutex...

Then again I kept on turning up to my drug's worker fucked out of my face on benzos for the first couple of months of starting my subutex, so he asked weather I wanted to give up benzo's because of the mess i was in....

Guess he thought it be a lot safer to get me stable on benzo's rather than me just getting whatever i could.... but yeah my new drugs worker said he was VERY surprised I was on both, till he saw my notes from my previous worker.

He told me that in the UK there have only been 10 recored deaths of people OD on subutex and all of them were because of being mixed with benzo's this does not included people who are being prescribed subutex and then go IV some gear because they stop taking their script...

 

[OEandricearoni]

^^ yeah it's incredibly unlikely one would die from mixing bupe with benzos, especially someone who has an opiate tolerance and is on maintenance therapy. I'd imagine you'd have to take a HUGE dose of some benzo and even then it would be unlikely. Doctors are just cautious about it. Since it's pretty common for somebody to OD from mixing benzos with full agonist opiates i guess they just assume it's just as likely for it to happen from suboxone, when it reality it really isn't. It's actually safe (at least in my opinion) for someone to be scripted to benzos while one suboxone as long as they take them as prescribed. People who die from bupe/benzo combos are probably people who don't regularly take opiates and have no tolerance. In that case the bupe would effect them enough to where the benzos would be dangerous to take.

 

[wcote]

Well he told me that it was people who had been prescribed subutex and then took a whole lot of benzos to get fucked.... but you are right they would either have to have no tolerance benzos or mix alcohol into the mix as well...

Unfortunately some people manage to die even on a relatively safe opiate

 

[Pegasus]

Bupe is relatively safe but can certainly be deadly when mixed with benzos. Maybe it's not dangerous on the level of methadone but caution is still needed.

 

[Bojangles69]

So I'm curious what types of doses all you people are on and some other things.

For people who have transitioned from higher doses of sub (like 8mg-16mg) to lower doses (like 1-2mg) I'm curious how long it takes you to start feeling the sub again, or if you ever really do feel it like you did before.

Or maybe you guys can just write generally how you felt at different doses. At 4mg I seem to have issues sleeping no matter what, smoke a ton, can't lose weight, although I'm happy as a fly in shit most of the time. I take sleeping pills to get to bed cause I get insomnia, but then I wind up sleeping for 10 hours, and wake up superlate (luckily I work late hours).
I want to change my schedule though so I can start doing things in the morning and waking up. I figure dropping to 2mg maybe I'll sleep easier at night... but then am I going to be tired as fuck all the time?

Who's on low doses in here and how do you like it?

 

[OEandricearoni]

I'm on .25-.35 mgs a day. I started on 16 milligrams 2 years ago. I found it really easy to taper down to 2 milligrams but after that found tapering to become more difficult. Right now I'm supposed to be taking .25 milligrams a day(i made a taper plan, when my script runs out im quitting the sub) but i occasionally will go slightly over. Once you get to under a milligram it seems to be kind of hard to taper. When i went from .5mg to .25 i felt mild withdrawals for a couple of days. At my current dose surprisingly i actually feel a sort of high from the sub sometimes. It seems once you get down to a low dose you actually feel more from the sub than you did when you were taking a really high dose, as strange as that is.