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Krokodil: The drug that eats junkies

charlie clean said:
If all this is true, and not just the prelude to another anti-drugs initiative, you wonder what goes on in Russian heads to make them start on this stuff. A drug for lemmings and nutters - or to sell newspapers,
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A generally very poor population with the knowledge of how to escape from reality is all it takes. There are plenty of powerful OTC remedies easily available and not that expensive in the pharmacies and this is after some serious regulation! Imagine what it was like 15 years ago!

Russians are very smart and resourceful people. However, there is a serious lack of social and health education available to the general populace (even now). There was a huge spike in heroin use from 1995-2000 as Afghani heroin flooded into Russia. Teenagers experiencing 'freedom' for the first time experimented with all sorts of substances (Heroin, MDMA, amphetamine, LSD) and had little to no knowledge of the social and health implications. Electronic music and its associated drug culture boomed. Many of my friends developed Heroin habits as they found it to be the perfect way to come down from all the stimulants they had been taking. They really knew very little about Heroin. It wasn't part of the Soviet school curriculum!

Book coming soon ;)
 
it must be some good shit if you keep on taking it even though you can see your bones sticking out and stuff and you just keep on taking it anyway.
 
^ I like this bit:
The state should offer narkomany (addicts) a stark choice, he said: "Prison or forced treatment."

That could be a bleak prospect. Some of Russia's detox clinics still use "coding", a controversial therapy in which patients are scared into thinking terrible consequences (such as their testicles falling off) will result if they mix drugs with medicines which are actually placebos.

:D
 
tambourine-man said:
^ I like this bit:
The state should offer narkomany (addicts) a stark choice, he said: "Prison or forced treatment."

That could be a bleak prospect. Some of Russia's detox clinics still use "coding", a controversial therapy in which patients are scared into thinking terrible consequences (such as their testicles falling off) will result if they mix drugs with medicines which are actually placebos.

:D
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ahahah, man. Don't know weather to laugh or cry...
 
Ismene said:
I'm pretty sure the abcesses arn't anything to do with the drug, it's just what happens when you're injecting with used needles.
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nowt to do with used needles, will be the caustic remains from the terrible conversion they're using, if you watch the videos you will see that the damage is far beyond the damage from blunt pins.

Bugsy @ opiophile said:
Russian makers of "crocodile" are terribly mistaken! It is probably more like a toxic coctail of dihydrocodeine, some unreacted codeine and it's various partially converted codeine-phosphorus and codeine-iodine derivatives.
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desomorphine sounds pretty fun tbh, if there was a way to cook it cleanly i'd be well up for it hah

there was a good article in the bmj last year about the damage caused by Russia's refusal to adopt proper drug treatment programs, this seems to prove it right to some degree.
 
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SamhainGrim said:
I thought from the name of the stuff that this was going to be a spoof, but fuck...

Another great victory for Prohibition and the War On Drugs. Horrific reading.
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i'd say the drugs are winning this one. krokodil proves that no matter what, people will find a way to get high. heroin's never looked so wholesome.
 
Someone should mix this shit with the oxi stuff from Brazil to create an 'Emerging Economies Speedball'?

You could nickname it Crox
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If life expectancy of both these chemicals is a year, I doubt you'd last a month!
 
moth. said:
i'd say the drugs are winning this one. krokodil proves that no matter what, people will find a way to get high. heroin's never looked so wholesome.
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Erm... that was exactly the point I was attempting to make. Kind of. Less irony next time?

Ah, just spotted your location. ;)
 
All it would take is a decent drug maintenance programme at the very least. Unfortunately it seems Russia's gone the opposite way, all the time still seemingly happy for the pharmaceutical companies to make their cut from the whole shameful business. Harm reduction? They've never heard of it, seemingly...

This will have been exacerbated by Russia's major heroin shortages and skyrocketing number of users / addicts of course. It's important not to lose sight of the fact (as pointed out above) that for the vast majority of users this is an absolute last resort and not something they get into because they're so desperate or feckless that they can't see the downside of their skin rotting off their bones.

Shame is even worse when it's entirely avoidable shame.
 
Can the users revert back to normal heroin after using this stuff? Or is it sort of like how codeine won't touch the edges once you've taken fentanyl?
 
They'd be fine with real heroin, the main problems being either:

a) They can't afford it anymore
b) There's little-to-none around

Or even both.

The whole situation's completely analogous to the widespread cessation of diamorphine scripts over here, whereupon the black market seized its chances and imported an inferior, adulterated product (i.e. brown). Unfortunately Russia's black market isn't quite the same as that of other European countries and this is where the clandestine domestic manufacture of products like this comes in.

Poor bastards...
 
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Ismene said:
I'm pretty sure the abcesses arn't anything to do with the drug, it's just what happens when you're injecting with used needles.

Russia is passing legislation declaring all-out war on all drug users - locking them up in gulags and making them do hard labour.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desomorphine

The problems happen because the drugs are so impure.

The whole thing is so fucked up.

Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
Can the users revert back to normal heroin after using this stuff? Or is it sort of like how codeine won't touch the edges once you've taken fentanyl?
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I am pretty sure heroin is strong enough to be used after any opiate. It has no ceiling effect so if you take enough it will work. Codeine has a ceiling effect.
 
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