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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy Non-LSD Ergoloids Blotter Thread

SpecialK_ said:
The sole reason for the taste on these blotter is the inky blotter. If anyone denies this I suspect they haven't seen the tabs, they look like the picture has been painted on twice.
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The blotter art on these prints are not available from blotter art stores to my knowledge. I've looked and I haven't found these specific prints anywhere. So either they are custom printed by a connect of the chemist or the chemist himself or they're custom ordered from a blotter art store. Either way in my speculation they're being laid by the same chemist or middleman.

fly- said:
I don't think that proves that whats going around is LSD. Just remember the readings from the NMR for the Hoffman Ohm 2008 afaik it was not conclusive, and i bet labtests can go for the easy path and just say its LSD.
I have been sampling thousand of blotters since the hoffman ohm and none were at match like the effects, and profoundness of this one (and i sampled it more than 30x), but just about last week i got in touch with another, can truly say equally good, the hoffman "The Originals"... After years sampling shivas, ganeshas/alex gray buddha/alex gray, hoffman 2010/alex gray, "the hoffman", etc etc.... FINALLY felt again my brain fully working to a higher level, feeling as human being with unlimited possibilities, as star child connected with universe... I must say that with so much psychedelic experiences built very hard defense mechanism and difficult can have egodeath even with 40mg 2ce... This felt like was not forcing entry but discovering myself.
About the visuals it was diffirent than recent blotters (comparing with psychedelic buddha, hoffman 2010, which are very similar , metalic taste), seemed more deeperorganic, and natural visuals, body load was absolutely 0%, felt really unharmful. The blotter had a slight citric taste but nothing compared to the horrible metalic/chemical taste as most blotters mentioned above. I feel so much intellectually and spiritually satisfied that don't have much curiosity in short-term for more psychedelics. I think this was what was looking afterall.
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The dutch testing facilities have been around for at least 8-9 years, probably even longer. Their purpose is to analyse illicit drugs and report it to the user in order to reduce the dangers of illicit drug usage. Consistently providing wrong analysis would endanger the Dutch population who hand in samples. After this many years of being in operation I'd like to believe they have proper procedures and the expertise necessary to analyse illicit drugs. Not to mention that they provide their analysis for the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (EMCDDA) project in regards to the Dutch illicit drug market and the European Early warning system.

Also it's reported on Erowid that the analysis of 2001 and 2002 they've tested 12 samples alleged to be LSD and only half tested positive for LSD, it was also noted that the two lowest average dosage results where due to unreliable measurements. The Hoffman Ohm GC/MS analysis was done by several people who might have 0 experience in the area of illicit drug analysis. It's like comparing an amateur tennis player with a professional tennis player...

If you'd like to get some insight into how they operate I'd refer you to this paper:
mCPP: an undesired addition to the ecstasy market
Or
Monitoring synthetic drug markets, trends, and public health

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These offices have to meet quality and safety demands, for which a “Good Testing Practice” protocol is developed. This includes, among other things:
- Training and education related to synthetic drugs in general and safe and reliable chemical testing procedures;

...

Finally, DIMS collaborates closely with the Delta laboratory, a hospital laboratory, equipped to international standards and specialized in analyzing the drug samples for DIMS.
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Your whole subjective experience could be due to dosage difference (low purity resulting in low dosage), set and setting and expectations. Fact remains at least 1 blotter of the Ganesha/Alex Grey print has been tested as legit LSD.
 
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Dith said:
The blotter art on these prints are not available from blotter art stores to my knowledge. I've looked and I haven't found these specific prints anywhere. So either they are custom printed by a connect of the chemist or the chemist himself or they're custom ordered from a blotter art store. Either way in my speculation they're being laid by the same chemist or middleman.
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I thought this was usually the case anyway? I can't see chemists paying an extortionate fee for something they could do themselves, blotter stores are usually just for self-laying or for the person who likes collecting them.

On the topics of the Alex Grey/Ganeshas, these have definately been tested and were given a proper mcg dosage, I just can't remember the place I found it!

Dith said:
In 2011 they received 37 samples so far, all of which tested positive for LSD. Dosages averaged between 10 and 150 ug. Each year they receive between 40 and 90 samples. Taken from a thread on a Dutch forum, 1 reported test result for the female Avatar blotter with yellow border put it at 150ug, another reported test result was for the Ganesha/Alex Grey blotter which was 50ug. These are both tested in 2011. I'd like to remind everyone that blotter print isn't conclusive, it could be a different batch or even a different source with the same print.
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Great to hear, although it's a pity as the Avatars have three batches (the one tested is the second strongest out of the three) and the Ganeshas have two batches (it sounds like the weaker batch was tested).
 
SpecialK_ said:
I thought this was usually the case anyway? I can't see chemists paying an extortionate fee for something they could do themselves, blotter stores are usually just for self-laying or for the person who likes collecting them.

On the topics of the Alex Grey/Ganeshas, these have definately been tested and were given a proper mcg dosage, I just can't remember the place I found it!

Great to hear, although it's a pity as the Avatars have three batches (the one tested is the second strongest out of the three) and the Ganeshas have two batches (it sounds like the weaker batch was tested).
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I think I might have misconstrued your reply in regards to the blotter taste :) hence my reply.

The Alex Grey/Ganeshas where tested by the dutch drug testing facility and where reported to the user as being 50ug. However this does not account for different batches of course. I just find that the ones I've had where most likely around the 50ug range but nowhere near the 180ug as advertised. If you ever find the other recorded account of these Ganesha/Alex Grey print I would be most curious as to what the results where :)
 
180ug! Are you serious?!
No way are the Ganesha that strength, I've heard them described to range from 70-90ug, 70ug sounds about right if a batch tested at 50ug. You know, this works in with the Avatars too as I would say 4 or so Ganeshas would be on par with the stronger batch of Avatars.
This is exactly why I prefer scaling blotter art, as opposed to trying to estimate a ug dose, it just flows and fits much better in my opinion.

- Sorry for going off-topic, just was amazed that people are advertising them at that dose. Must be someone trying to get rid of leftovers now that better tabs have gotten into circulation.
 
Dith said:
The blotter art on these prints are not available from blotter art stores to my knowledge. I've looked and I haven't found these specific prints anywhere. So either they are custom printed by a connect of the chemist or the chemist himself or they're custom ordered from a blotter art store. Either way in my speculation they're being laid by the same chemist or middleman.


The dutch testing facilities have been around for at least 8-9 years, probably even longer. Their purpose is to analyse illicit drugs and report it to the user in order to reduce the dangers of illicit drug usage. Consistently providing wrong analysis would endanger the Dutch population who hand in samples. After this many years of being in operation I'd like to believe they have proper procedures and the expertise necessary to analyse illicit drugs. Not to mention that they provide their analysis for the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (EMCDDA) project in regards to the Dutch illicit drug market and the European Early warning system.

Also it's reported on Erowid that the analysis of 2001 and 2002 they've tested 12 samples alleged to be LSD and only half tested positive for LSD, it was also noted that the two lowest average dosage results where due to unreliable measurements. The Hoffman Ohm GC/MS analysis was done by several people who might have 0 experience in the area of illicit drug analysis. It's like comparing an amateur tennis player with a professional tennis player...

If you'd like to get some insight into how they operate I'd refer you to this paper:
mCPP: an undesired addition to the ecstasy market
Or
Monitoring synthetic drug markets, trends, and public health

Small snippet:


Your whole subjective experience could be due to dosage difference (low purity resulting in low dosage), set and setting and expectations. Fact remains at least 1 blotter of the Ganesha/Alex Grey print has been tested as legit LSD.
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i was in the testservice of amsterdam and talked with them, they indeed said they only had one time a pill with lsd and 2cb all the rest was LSD blotters. however my experience over so many different blotters differs totally, my question is how many blotters have you sampled? :)
 
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fly- said:
i was in the testservice of amsterdam and talked with them, they indeed said they only had one time a pill with lsd and 2cb all the rest was LSD blotters. however my experience over so many different blotters differs totally, my question is how many blotters have you sampled? :)
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From memory I come to a total of 120 blotters, a moderate guesstimate. It's probably more. These consisted of 2 different Hoffman anniversary prints, Dancing Bears, Space Adventure, Alex Grey/Ganesha, Yellow Shiva's, and one print that I can't remember.

My last trip was 20 yellow shiva's, without tolerance. The taste was just horrible :!
I should note that I'm going for a strong trip here, I wanted to dose near 1000ug.
 
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That's inexcusable that you had to do 20. Insane even. Who with any ethics sells blotter so damn weak that you need 20 for a proper trip? Sad, but I guess with the economy as it is merchants are going to tend to be stingy.
 
hahah I had those hits and you deff do not need to eat 20 even with a high tolerance. There allegedly 150 ug and with my experience with them i believe that to be correct.
 
So dith was just dicksizing? (no offense intended, just something people are prone to do) How do you know its the same acid and the same lay just from the print? Who knows how many different people bought that blank.
 
DwayneHoover said:
That's inexcusable that you had to do 20. Insane even. Who with any ethics sells blotter so damn weak that you need 20 for a proper trip? Sad, but I guess with the economy as it is merchants are going to tend to be stingy.
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I was going for a trip near the 1000ug, so a very strong trip hehe. Probably should have mentioned that.

lysergic150 said:
hahah I had those hits and you deff do not need to eat 20 even with a high tolerance. There allegedly 150 ug and with my experience with them i believe that to be correct.
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Different batch perhaps, I wouldn't describe the 20 hit experience as completely mind blowing, I still had a pretty clear vision of my surroundings and a decent enough logical mind to not do something stupid. I think if I had taken 20 * 150ug = 3000ug my whole world would have melted away :D

I have no basis for this except for experience with mushrooms and LSD, but I always tend to need to dose higher than the average friend to reach a same state.

DwayneHoover said:
Who knows how many different people bought that blank.
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I've searched far and wide for the Ganesha/Alex Grey and the Yellow Shiva blotter art but I haven't seen it in a single store or on eBay. Which would lead to suggest that it's a custom order or they printed it themselves, so likely the same people are laying these sheets and different batches could account for the difference in dosages.
 
Dith said:
From memory I come to a total of 120 blotters, a moderate guesstimate. It's probably more. These consisted of 2 different Hoffman anniversary prints, Dancing Bears, Space Adventure, Alex Grey/Ganesha, Yellow Shiva's, and one print that I can't remember.

My last trip was 20 yellow shiva's, without tolerance. The taste was just horrible :!
I should note that I'm going for a strong trip here, I wanted to dose near 1000ug.
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I know what you mean about the taste when your trying to eat higher doses. It's actually why I stopped eating the Ganesha blotter after two years, it just began to make me sick. Sucked as they were nice wee tabs. :(
 
I wish someone could get to the bottom of the whole mystery regarding that perfume taste. I'm not a fan of it either.
 
Delsyd said:
blotters are made weak as a safety precaution.
You dont want kids flipping out and acid is cheap enough that if one or 2 isnt enough taking a couple more wont hurt your wallet too bad.
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just curious, did you learn this from a reputable source, or is it just an idea floating out there? I feel like that logic doesn't really agree with my and my friends' experiences with the matter.

But if it is true someone needs to tell all the dealers I've met. Most "moderate" quality acid I've had would.. eh well in compliance with BLUA no prices but it definitely would be pricey for a good fullblown trip.

I guess it's all about who you know, though.. Props to all you lucky bastards who get acid at a fair price!:)
 
Delsyd said:
blotters are made weak as a safety precaution.
You dont want kids flipping out and acid is cheap enough that if one or 2 isnt enough taking a couple more wont hurt your wallet too bad.
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I beg to differ. It's made weak as a greedy profiteering scam. I mean really, I hear of people having to take 10 hits to get off well, and even if they are cheap, say $5 a hit that is still $50 for like maybe 200mcg of LSD that costs the blotter-layer like $0.50 or less. It's a ripoff pure and simple. $50 is WAY WAY WAY too much for one fucking trip. Bit by bit over the past few decades they have been making them weaker and weaker as part of a conspiracy to get people used to the idea that it is normal to have to take a 10-strip to get off, which ultimately benefits the bank accounts of the dealers.

Safety precaution my ass. You are too nice Delsyd... humans are mostly greedy selfish shits, especially drug dealers... I wish that was not the case but that has been my experience... people go into that not to help people get high but rather as an easy way to supplement their bank accounts by charging obscene profit margins, the more excessive the better so far as they are concerned.

Sorry to be so bitter. :|
 
Hey bro I'm currently in India... The scene is you have to find the real Dalai Lamas... I have been tripping on pure dalais since 2 months and trust me they can do a lot... I only take a quarter or one third of a blotter and smoke up... 3 days ago I took half a blotter and smoked up at intervals and I tripped non-stopped for 20 hours... Dalai lamas are one of the strongest( not only in terms of micrograms but emotionally) and if you get real lamas, just use them wisely... Ive 5 news ones at home which I have to finish in a time of 2-3 months... Dalai isn't fAke LSD... Trust me :)
 
Unfortunately blotter art is meaningless, but the original dalais ca. 2008 were amazing stuff.
 
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